On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:01:31 +0100 Jonathan Armani <d...@asystant.net> said:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:47:32 -0500 Youness Alaoui > > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> said: > > > >> Reminds me of some of the stuff I've been saying... > >> As for "don't have time to do tarballs everyday".. well, that's why there's > >> something called "scripts" and "cron jobs".. those things exist, might be > >> good to use these awesome technologies. > > > > hooray for your snide comments. wonderful attitude. you were not there on > > irc, nor did you even seem to have read the material at hand (the patches). > > seriously, what's up with you? > > > > do i suddenly have to be mr. nice to everything? "oh wow! how wonderful! so > > awesome that you broke evas's api on your openbsd packages. so great to see. > > we'll love hearing the app developers ask us for help about their apps not > > working on openbsd, when we will have zero clue that it was an api/abi > > breakage added specifically on openbsd. that's just awesome. please - make > > more patches just like that!". > > > > if its bad, it's bad. reasons were explicitly given for it being bad. > > I accept without problem the critisism on these diff (note and look at > the commit these are > not from me). But that is my personnal git, and it contains > experimental diff and these will never > go in tree if they are not ok. > > I never asked a review of these ... vincent did. if he hadn't - i would never have looked. > But yeah once again you're right, all this work is shit on shit and > the OpenBSD team is only capable > of breaking your stuff. i never said that or anything close to it. i'm not busy praising the good catches - it's rare to ever see praise in any open source project for patches, but you can expect hell for bad ones. i accept now that you didn't submit them - fine. but i was asked by vincent to look and thus... they got comments. > > and as for "well just use scripts" - have to write and test those too. and > > if its just a cron job... then its NO BETTER THAN A RANDOM SVN CHECKOUT. > > that was my point... which you failed to read. if you don't sit down and > > spend at least some qa time on the tarballs... then its pointless. this is > > my point on a mental block. i keep hearing it from people "omg !!!! svn > > trunk must be so unstable!!! how can i use it?" - it's the image that just > > because its in trunk (or head/master/whatever) that it must be so unstable > > and a tarball made every day is going to be better. it's a RELEASE process > > of freezing and fixing just bugs that improves quality... not "make dist; > > scp *.tar.gz ...". > > > >> > > if they require tarballs to > >> > >> test and can't just run svn instead to fetch the source... i don't > >> > >> have > >> > the > >> > >> time each day to make tarballs when they can just as easily fetch from > >> > svn. > >> > >> it's the same work on their part. making tarballs is MORE work on our > >> > part. > >> > > > >> > > You missed the point, we want to be sure that the final archive will be > >> > ok. > >> > > I'm not asking for snapshot on a daily basis, only some rc before the > >> > > final archive. > >> > > (Wait no project did alpha & rc, right ?) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >>> Note that i discuss also with a Mageia e17 maintainer, and he told me > >> > that > >> > >>> such snapshots will help him too. > >> > >> > >> > >> a snapshot has no more quality than an svn checkout, so other than a > >> > mental > >> > >> block thinking svn == totally unstable/unusable and an unwillingness > >> > >> to > >> > use it > >> > >> because of a mental block, i don't see the point. > >> > > > >> > > yeah a mental block, I think you don't want to know how many time I > >> > > have to reroll a dist to get all working and how frustating it is. > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> a release that has had quality assurance done on it is a different > >> > matter - but > >> > >> we arent doing them every day. hell no - not with al the efl trees we > >> > have. > >> > >> only chance of that is if we stopped having separate libs and just > >> > merged them > >> > >> into a single efl tree. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Vincent > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>> RSA(R) Conference 2012 > >> > >>> Save $700 by Nov 18 > >> > >>> Register now > >> > >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> > >>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> > >>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > >> > >> -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) > >> > >> ras...@rasterman.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> RSA(R) Conference 2012 > >> > >> Save $700 by Nov 18 > >> > >> Register now > >> > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > RSA(R) Conference 2012 > >> > > Save $700 by Nov 18 > >> > > Register now > >> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Bruno Dilly > >> > Senior Developer > >> > ProFUSION embedded systems > >> > http://profusion.mobi > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > RSA(R) Conference 2012 > >> > Save $700 by Nov 18 > >> > Register now > >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> RSA(R) Conference 2012 > >> Save $700 by Nov 18 > >> Register now > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - 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