Question for you....Socratus..... How much of this "dark-matter/energy" is held in "black hole" conditions... or is there.. other non-gravity-compressed "dark-matter/energy" floating around nearby (so to speak) but "we" just can't sense it near us in any known way?
On Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:41:14 PM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus wrote: > > Who created the material Universe? > About 96% of the matter in the whole Universe is unseen > dark matter/energy. Nobody knows what it is. > And only about 4% is physical /classical matter. > It is possible to suggest that from > 96% of unseen dark matter/energy was created the 4% > of the known matter. > It is possible to suggest that this unseen dark matter/energy > consist on virtual particles (according to Dirac) and they can become > (in some way, for example - through vacuum fluctuation) > real particles (for example: photons and electrons|). > And these real particles created the visual matter universe. > =. > What you can say about this subject? > ==. > > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM, awori achoka > <awori....@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> The idea of a universe that orders and organises itself--wears me down. >> So, i wouldn't even try. >> >> >> ** >> *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. >> * >> ** >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM, i.sadovnik socratus >> <is.so...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Why don't you wish ''even'' to try? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, awori achoka >>> <awori....@gmail.com<javascript:> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> LOL---I wouldn't even try. >>>> >>>> The nature of events in nature always amaze me. Who determines the >>>> causality of events in the universe? I wouldn't mind the crushing of stars >>>> and the formation of all manner of objects--but then, you bring in humans >>>> (conscious) and the whole story changes. >>>> >>>> >>>> ** >>>> *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. >>>> * >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, sadovnik socratus >>>> <is.so...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Take your time. >>>>> = >>>>> >>>>> On May 14, 11:00 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> > sure.... give me five years to try to understand Faster than >>>>> Light.... OK? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:43:41 AM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > More details >>>>> > > ===. >>>>> > >>>>> > > The basis of SRT ( by an uneducated Socratus) >>>>> > >>>>> > > ===. >>>>> > >>>>> > > SRT is based on four facts. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Fact number 1: >>>>> > >>>>> > > The constant speed of photon in vacuum is minimal. >>>>> > >>>>> > > ( from vacuum's point of view and tachyon theory ) >>>>> > >>>>> > > Fact number 2: >>>>> > >>>>> > > The inertia of photon depends on its potential energy: E=Mc^2 >>>>> > >>>>> > > In 1905 Einstein asked: >>>>> > >>>>> > > “ Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content ?” >>>>> > >>>>> > > As he realized the answer was: >>>>> > >>>>> > > “ Yes, it depends on E= Mc^2 ” >>>>> > >>>>> > > It means that inertia of quantum particle (photon, electron ) >>>>> > >>>>> > > depends on E= Mc^2 ( nobody explains the details of such >>>>> > >>>>> > > possibility of inertia movement. How can E=Mc^2 >>>>> > >>>>> > > be responsible for inertial movement of quantum particle ? ) >>>>> > >>>>> > > Someone wrote to me: >>>>> > >>>>> > > “An old professor of mine used to say >>>>> > >>>>> > > that anyone who can answer that question >>>>> > >>>>> > > what inertia is, would win a Nobel Prize. “ >>>>> > >>>>> > > Fact number 3: >>>>> > >>>>> > > Every speed and energy >>>>> > >>>>> > > ( including the speed and energy of photon ) are relative. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Speed, energy, impulse . . . . etc they are physical parameters >>>>> > >>>>> > > which belong to one, single quantum particle. >>>>> > >>>>> > > If you change one parameter all others will change automatically >>>>> too. >>>>> > >>>>> > > For example : >>>>> > >>>>> > > In 1916 Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c. >>>>> > >>>>> > > If you change one electron's parameter all others parameters >>>>> > >>>>> > > also will be changed and the electron's energy will change too. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Take, for example, electron in atom. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Electron tied with atom by the energy: E=-me^4/2h*^2= -13,6eV. >>>>> > >>>>> > > But if someone parameter changes, then electron jumps out from >>>>> atom >>>>> > >>>>> > > with energy E=h*f ( it is said: electron emits quantum of light, >>>>> > >>>>> > > but where this quantum of light is hidden in the electron, in >>>>> which pocket >>>>> > > ?) >>>>> > >>>>> > > In vacuum the energy of electron is E=Mc^2 (according to SRT and >>>>> Dirac), >>>>> > >>>>> > > but when someone parameter is changed then electron jumps out from >>>>> > >>>>> > > vacuum with energy E=h*f. ( effect of vacuum fluctuation ). >>>>> > >>>>> > > Fact number 4: >>>>> > >>>>> > > The Lorentz equations explain the transformations (revolving >>>>> movement) >>>>> > >>>>> > > of quantum particles using the Goudsmit – Uhlenbeck inner >>>>> impulse >>>>> > >>>>> > > of particle: h* = h/ 2pi. >>>>> > >>>>> > > ===. >>>>> > >>>>> > > All the best. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Israel Sadovnik Socratus >>>>> > >>>>> > > =====… >>>>> > >>>>> > > P.S. >>>>> > >>>>> > > " Einstein's special theory of relativity is based on two >>>>> postulates: >>>>> > >>>>> > > One is the relativity of motion, and the second is the constancy >>>>> > >>>>> > > and universality of the speed of light. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Could the first postulate be true and the other false? >>>>> > >>>>> > > If that was not possible, Einstein would not have had to make two >>>>> > >>>>> > > postulates. But I don't think many people realized until recently >>>>> > >>>>> > > that you could have a consistent theory in which you changed only >>>>> > >>>>> > > the second postulate." >>>>> > >>>>> > > / Lee Smolin, The Trouble With Physics, p. 226. / >>>>> > >>>>> > > # >>>>> > >>>>> > > Question: >>>>> > >>>>> > > Can quantum of light change its constant speed ? >>>>> > >>>>> > > Answer: Faster-than-light. >>>>> > >>>>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light >>>>> > >>>>> > > etc . . . >>>>> > >>>>> > > ===… >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM, nominal9 >>>>> > > <nomi...@yahoo.com<javascript:> >>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> So... Socratus and Awori..... I guess I should ask the question >>>>> > >> differently.... do photons have "mass"? >>>>> > >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon >>>>> > >> Experimental checks on photon mass >>>>> > >>>>> > >> The photon is currently understood to be strictly massless, but >>>>> this is >>>>> > >> an experimental question. If the photon is not a strictly massless >>>>> > >> particle, it would not move at the exact speed of light in >>>>> vacuum, *c*. >>>>> > >> Its speed would be lower and depend on its frequency. Relativity >>>>> would be >>>>> > >> unaffected by this; the so-called speed of light, *c*, would then >>>>> not be >>>>> > >> the actual speed at which light moves, but a constant of nature >>>>> which is >>>>> > >> the maximum speed that any object could theoretically attain in >>>>> space-time. >>>>> > >> [21] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-23> Thus, >>>>> it would >>>>> > >> still be the speed of space-time ripples (gravitational waves< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_waves>and >>>>> > >> gravitons <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton>), but it >>>>> would not be >>>>> > >> the speed of photons. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> A massive photon would have other effects as well. Coulomb's law< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb%27s_law>would be modified and >>>>> the electromagnetic field would have an extra >>>>> > >> physical degree of freedom. These effects yield more sensitive >>>>> experimental >>>>> > >> probes of the photon mass than the frequency dependence of the >>>>> speed of >>>>> > >> light. If Coulomb's law is not exactly valid, then that would >>>>> cause the >>>>> > >> presence of an electric field< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field>inside a hollow >>>>> conductor when it is subjected to an external electric >>>>> > >> field. This thus allows one to test< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_electromagnetism>Coulomb's law >>>>> to very high precision. >>>>> > >> [22] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-24> A null >>>>> result >>>>> > >> of such an experiment has set a limit of *m* ≲ 10−14 eV/c2.[23]< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-25> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Sharper upper limits have been obtained in experiments designed >>>>> to detect >>>>> > >> effects caused by the galactic vector potential< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_potential>. >>>>> > >> Although the galactic vector potential is very large because the >>>>> galactic magnetic >>>>> > >> field <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> exists on >>>>> very long >>>>> > >> length scales, only the magnetic field is observable if the >>>>> photon is >>>>> > >> massless. In case of a massive photon, the mass term [image: >>>>> > >> \scriptstyle\frac{1}{2} m^2 A_{\mu}A^{\mu}] would affect the >>>>> galactic >>>>> > >> plasma. The fact that no such effects are seen implies an upper >>>>> bound on >>>>> > >> the photon mass of *m* < 3×10−27 eV/c2.[24]< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-26>The galactic vector >>>>> potential can also be probed directly by measuring the >>>>> > >> torque exerted on a magnetized ring.[25]< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-27>Such methods were >>>>> used to obtain the sharper upper limit of 10 >>>>> > >> −18eV/c2 (the equivalent of 1.07×10−27 atomic mass units) given >>>>> by the >>>>> > >> Particle Data Group.[26]< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-amsler-28> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> These sharp limits from the non-observation of the effects caused >>>>> by the >>>>> > >> galactic vector potential have been shown to be model >>>>> dependent.[27]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-29>If >>>>> the photon mass is generated via the Higgs >>>>> > >> mechanism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism> then >>>>> the upper >>>>> > >> limit of *m*≲10−14 eV/c2 from the test of Coulomb's law is valid. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Photons inside superconductors< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductors>do develop a nonzero >>>>> effective >>>>> > >> rest mass< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_mass_%28solid-state_physics%29 >>>>> >; >>>>> > >> as a result, electromagnetic forces become short-range inside >>>>> > >> superconductors.[28] < >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-30> >>>>> > >> See also: Supernova/Acceleration Probe< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova/Acceleration_Probe> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:31:48 PM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> photon is an energy/mass particle: E=Mc^2 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) is not constant parameter >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) can be changed ( together with speed >>>>> ) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> for example: E=Mc^2 changes into E=h*f and vice versa >>>>> > >>> == >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, nominal9 <nomi...@yahoo.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Photon< >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon> >>>>> > >>>> Do you agree with this? >>>>> > >>>> so, is a photon energy or particle..... when, if both?...... >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:03:26 AM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> SRT by an uneducated Socratus. >>>>> > >>>>> =. >>>>> > >>>>> SRT is based on three facts ! >>>>> > >>>>> Fact number 1: >>>>> > >>>>> The constant speed of photon in vacuum is minimal. >>>>> > >>>>> Fact number 2: >>>>> > >>>>> The inertia of photon depends on its potential energy: E=Mc^2 >>>>> > >>>>> Fact number 3: >>>>> > >>>>> Every speed and energy >>>>> > >>>>> ( including the speed and energy of photon ) are relative. >>>>> > >>>>> ===. >>>>> > >>>>> Israel Socratus >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > >>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>> it, send >>>>> > >>>> an email to epistemology...@**googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>> To post to this group, send email to episte...@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> > >>>> Visit this group athttp:// >>>>> groups.google.com/**group/epistemology?hl=en< >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en> >>>>> > >>>> . >>>>> > >>>> For more options, visithttps:// >>>>> groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out< >>>>> https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>>> > >>>> . >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> -- >>>>> > >>> You do not really understand something unless you can explain >>>>> > >>> it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / >>>>> > >>> The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light >>>>> Theory ’. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> -- >>>>> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google Groups >>>>> > >> "Epistemology" group. >>>>> > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an >>>>> > >> email to epistemology...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>>> > >> To post to this group, send email to episte...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <javascript:> >>>>> > >> . >>>>> > >> Visit this group athttp:// >>>>> groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>>>> > >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > You do not really understand something unless you can explain... >>>>> > >>>>> > read more » >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to epistemology...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> episte...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to epistemology...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> episte...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You do not really understand something unless you can explain >>> it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / >>> The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light Theory ’. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to epistemology...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>> To post to this group, send email to episte...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Epistemology" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to epistemology...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to episte...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > You do not really understand something unless you can explain > it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / > The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light Theory ’. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. 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