In my very unscientific ways---I have always treated photonic energy as the organising principle of nature. It fuels our consciosness, it is the life force behind inter/intracellular communication---and so on. To me, Reality/consciousness--simply refers to photonic energy, Am I absurdly wrong?
** *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. * ** On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 6:33 AM, i.sadovnik socratus <is.socra...@gmail.com>wrote: > Answer for nominal9 > =. > A black hole can be Vacuum. > 1. > A black hole has a temperature within a few > millionths of a degree above absolute zero: T=0K. > / Oxford. Dictionary./ > 2. > A stellar black hole of one solar mass has a Hawking > temperature of about 100 nanokelvins. This is far less > than the 2.7 K temperature of the cosmic microwave background. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole > 3. > Previous Picture of the Day articles about black holes suggested that > the terminology used to describe “gravitational point sources” > is highly speculative: space/time, singularities, and infinite density > are abstract concepts, precluding a realistic investigation into > the nature of the Universe. > / Oct 12, 2011. Black hole theory contradicts itself. By Stephen Smith / > =. > My heretical idea: > The ‘black hole’ with thermodynamic temperature about - –--> T= 0K. > is a Homogeneous Energy Vacuum Space between billions Galaxies. > =. > Best wishes. > Israel Sadovnik Socratus > ===. > > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Question for you....Socratus..... >> >> How much of this "dark-matter/energy" is held in "black hole" >> conditions... or is there.. other >> non-gravity-compressed "dark-matter/energy" floating around nearby (so to >> speak) but "we" just can't sense it near us in any known way? >> >> On Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:41:14 PM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus wrote: >>> >>> Who created the material Universe? >>> About 96% of the matter in the whole Universe is unseen >>> dark matter/energy. Nobody knows what it is. >>> And only about 4% is physical /classical matter. >>> It is possible to suggest that from >>> 96% of unseen dark matter/energy was created the 4% >>> of the known matter. >>> It is possible to suggest that this unseen dark matter/energy >>> consist on virtual particles (according to Dirac) and they can become >>> (in some way, for example - through vacuum fluctuation) >>> real particles (for example: photons and electrons|). >>> And these real particles created the visual matter universe. >>> =. >>> What you can say about this subject? >>> ==. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM, awori achoka <awori....@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> The idea of a universe that orders and organises itself--wears me down. >>>> So, i wouldn't even try. >>>> >>>> >>>> ** >>>> *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. >>>> * >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM, i.sadovnik socratus < >>>> is.so...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why don't you wish ''even'' to try? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, awori achoka <awori....@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> LOL---I wouldn't even try. >>>>>> >>>>>> The nature of events in nature always amaze me. Who determines the >>>>>> causality of events in the universe? I wouldn't mind the crushing of >>>>>> stars >>>>>> and the formation of all manner of objects--but then, you bring in humans >>>>>> (conscious) and the whole story changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ** >>>>>> *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. >>>>>> * >>>>>> ** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, sadovnik socratus < >>>>>> is.so...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Take your time. >>>>>>> = >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 14, 11:00 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > sure.... give me five years to try to understand Faster than >>>>>>> Light.... OK? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:43:41 AM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > More details >>>>>>> > > ===. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > The basis of SRT ( by an uneducated Socratus) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > ===. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > SRT is based on four facts. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Fact number 1: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > The constant speed of photon in vacuum is minimal. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > ( from vacuum's point of view and tachyon theory ) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Fact number 2: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > The inertia of photon depends on its potential energy: E=Mc^2 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > In 1905 Einstein asked: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > “ Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content ?” >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > As he realized the answer was: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > “ Yes, it depends on E= Mc^2 ” >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > It means that inertia of quantum particle (photon, electron ) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > depends on E= Mc^2 ( nobody explains the details of such >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > possibility of inertia movement. How can E=Mc^2 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > be responsible for inertial movement of quantum particle ? ) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Someone wrote to me: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > “An old professor of mine used to say >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > that anyone who can answer that question >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > what inertia is, would win a Nobel Prize. “ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Fact number 3: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Every speed and energy >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > ( including the speed and energy of photon ) are relative. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Speed, energy, impulse . . . . etc they are physical parameters >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > which belong to one, single quantum particle. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > If you change one parameter all others will change automatically >>>>>>> too. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > For example : >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > In 1916 Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > If you change one electron's parameter all others parameters >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > also will be changed and the electron's energy will change too. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Take, for example, electron in atom. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Electron tied with atom by the energy: E=-me^4/2h*^2= -13,6eV. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > But if someone parameter changes, then electron jumps out from >>>>>>> atom >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > with energy E=h*f ( it is said: electron emits quantum of >>>>>>> light, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > but where this quantum of light is hidden in the electron, in >>>>>>> which pocket >>>>>>> > > ?) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > In vacuum the energy of electron is E=Mc^2 (according to SRT >>>>>>> and Dirac), >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > but when someone parameter is changed then electron jumps out >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > vacuum with energy E=h*f. ( effect of vacuum fluctuation >>>>>>> ). >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Fact number 4: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > The Lorentz equations explain the transformations (revolving >>>>>>> movement) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > of quantum particles using the Goudsmit – Uhlenbeck inner >>>>>>> impulse >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > of particle: h* = h/ 2pi. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > ===. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > All the best. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Israel Sadovnik Socratus >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > =====… >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > P.S. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > " Einstein's special theory of relativity is based on two >>>>>>> postulates: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > One is the relativity of motion, and the second is the constancy >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > and universality of the speed of light. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Could the first postulate be true and the other false? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > If that was not possible, Einstein would not have had to make >>>>>>> two >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > postulates. But I don't think many people realized until >>>>>>> recently >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > that you could have a consistent theory in which you changed only >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > the second postulate." >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > / Lee Smolin, The Trouble With Physics, p. 226. / >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > # >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Question: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Can quantum of light change its constant speed ? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Answer: Faster-than-light. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Faster-than-light<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > etc . . . >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > ===… >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM, nominal9 >>>>>>> > > <nomi...@yahoo.com<javascript:> >>>>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> So... Socratus and Awori..... I guess I should ask the question >>>>>>> > >> differently.... do photons have "mass"? >>>>>>> > >>https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Photon<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon> >>>>>>> > >> Experimental checks on photon mass >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> The photon is currently understood to be strictly massless, but >>>>>>> this is >>>>>>> > >> an experimental question. If the photon is not a strictly >>>>>>> massless >>>>>>> > >> particle, it would not move at the exact speed of light in >>>>>>> vacuum, *c*. >>>>>>> > >> Its speed would be lower and depend on its frequency. >>>>>>> Relativity would be >>>>>>> > >> unaffected by this; the so-called speed of light, *c*, would >>>>>>> then not be >>>>>>> > >> the actual speed at which light moves, but a constant of nature >>>>>>> which is >>>>>>> > >> the maximum speed that any object could theoretically attain in >>>>>>> space-time. >>>>>>> > >> [21] >>>>>>> > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Photon#cite_note-23<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-23>> >>>>>>> Thus, it would >>>>>>> > >> still be the speed of space-time ripples (gravitational waves< >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Gravitational_waves<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_waves> >>>>>>> >**and >>>>>>> > >> gravitons >>>>>>> > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Graviton<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton>>), >>>>>>> but it would not be >>>>>>> > >> the speed of photons. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> A massive photon would have other effects as well. Coulomb's >>>>>>> law<https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Coulomb%27s_law<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb%27s_law>>would >>>>>>> be modified and the electromagnetic field would have an extra >>>>>>> > >> physical degree of freedom. These effects yield more sensitive >>>>>>> experimental >>>>>>> > >> probes of the photon mass than the frequency dependence of the >>>>>>> speed of >>>>>>> > >> light. If Coulomb's law is not exactly valid, then that would >>>>>>> cause the >>>>>>> > >> presence of an electric field<https://en.wikipedia.** >>>>>>> org/wiki/Electric_field<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field>>inside >>>>>>> a hollow conductor when it is subjected to an external electric >>>>>>> > >> field. This thus allows one to test<https://en.wikipedia.org/** >>>>>>> wiki/Tests_of_electromagnetism<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_electromagnetism> >>>>>>> **>Coulomb's law to very high precision. >>>>>>> > >> [22] >>>>>>> > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Photon#cite_note-24<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-24>> >>>>>>> A null result >>>>>>> > >> of such an experiment has set a limit of *m* ≲ 10−14 eV/c2.[23]< >>>>>>> https://en.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#**cite_note-25<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-25> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> Sharper upper limits have been obtained in experiments designed >>>>>>> to detect >>>>>>> > >> effects caused by the galactic vector potential<https://en.** >>>>>>> wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_**potential<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_potential> >>>>>>> >. >>>>>>> > >> Although the galactic vector potential is very large because >>>>>>> the galactic magnetic >>>>>>> > >> field >>>>>>> > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Magnetic_field<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field>> >>>>>>> exists on very long >>>>>>> > >> length scales, only the magnetic field is observable if the >>>>>>> photon is >>>>>>> > >> massless. In case of a massive photon, the mass term [image: >>>>>>> > >> \scriptstyle\frac{1}{2} m^2 A_{\mu}A^{\mu}] would affect the >>>>>>> galactic >>>>>>> > >> plasma. The fact that no such effects are seen implies an upper >>>>>>> bound on >>>>>>> > >> the photon mass of *m* < 3×10−27 eV/c2.[24]<https://en.** >>>>>>> wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#**cite_note-26<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-26>>The >>>>>>> galactic vector potential can also be probed directly by measuring the >>>>>>> > >> torque exerted on a magnetized ring.[25]<https://en.** >>>>>>> wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#**cite_note-27<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-27>>Such >>>>>>> methods were used to obtain the sharper upper limit of 10 >>>>>>> > >> −18eV/c2 (the equivalent of 1.07×10−27 atomic mass units) given >>>>>>> by the >>>>>>> > >> Particle Data Group.[26]<https://en.** >>>>>>> wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#**cite_note-amsler-28<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-amsler-28> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> These sharp limits from the non-observation of the effects >>>>>>> caused by the >>>>>>> > >> galactic vector potential have been shown to be model >>>>>>> dependent.[27]<https://en.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#**cite_note-29<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-29>>If >>>>>>> the photon mass is generated via the Higgs >>>>>>> > >> mechanism >>>>>>> > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Higgs_mechanism<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism>> >>>>>>> then the upper >>>>>>> > >> limit of *m*≲10−14 eV/c2 from the test of Coulomb's law is >>>>>>> valid. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> Photons inside superconductors<https://en.**wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>>>>>> **Superconductors <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductors>>do >>>>>>> develop a nonzero effective >>>>>>> > >> rest mass<https://en.wikipedia.org/** >>>>>>> wiki/Effective_mass_%28solid-**state_physics%29<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_mass_%28solid-state_physics%29> >>>>>>> >; >>>>>>> > >> as a result, electromagnetic forces become short-range inside >>>>>>> > >> superconductors.[28] <https://en.wikipedia.org/** >>>>>>> wiki/Photon#cite_note-30<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#cite_note-30> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> See also: Supernova/Acceleration Probe<https://en.wikipedia.** >>>>>>> org/wiki/Supernova/**Acceleration_Probe<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova/Acceleration_Probe> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:31:48 PM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> photon is an energy/mass particle: E=Mc^2 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) is not constant parameter >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) can be changed ( together with >>>>>>> speed ) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> for example: E=Mc^2 changes into E=h*f and vice versa >>>>>>> > >>> == >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, nominal9 <nomi...@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/**Photon<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Photon> >>>>>>> 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