I'd like to argue with that bit about the nazi's... they did not have much support from the people..
my real name is Franz.. I call myself frank to make it easier for people to remember.. a good many of my relatives were killed by the SS nazi's for being part of the resistance... Once hitler was in charge.. there was nothing even remotely like democracy... anyone that disagreed with him was locked up or killed.. many his own generals were terrified of him.. and most of the general german army had no real idea what was going on or why they were fighting.. That doesn't sound much like what is going on in the US at the moment.. everyone keeps saying "War is not the way" I'd like someone to give us an alternative for getting rid of saddam.. does anyone have one? Sanctions didn't work against him... just starved his people and made the west look like assholes (because saddam tells the people that the west are the reason they are starving). He has been doing the same stuff since 91 and none of the UN stuff has worked worth a damn.. So what is this "alternative" so many speak of?? bribe him to leave?? assasinate him?? what?? lets hear the alternatives. One last thing, If there is nothing to what the US has been saying... then the UN would not be putting the pressure on iraq that they are now... so there must be something to it... Also, if the US do know stuff we don't.. its possible they can't say because they have probably been trying to put spy's over there since 91.. if it comes to a choise between revealing all, getting their spy's killed and losing their data... what would you do??? To put it simply, we MUSTN'T judge Bush, because we have no idea what he knows.. and what he doesn't. its possible that if you knew what he did, you would be campaining for war also. Thats not to say that I agree with him, I am simply not in a position to judge.. rgds Franki -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wolfgang Bornath Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2003 3:12 PM To: ExpertMandrake-List Subject: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow? On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 00:44 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:49, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a > > future for MandrakeSoft. > > After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and > > the world as we know it. > > I listened to the US-Amercan president. > > I'm not religious, I wish I were. This madman and the options he has > > scare me to death. > > > > wobo > > I don't take kindly to my president being called a madman. Especially > when he is fighting a *real* madman that has slaughtered over 230,000 > innocent kurds with mustard gas; plus done God knows what else to his > own people; President Bush was descriptive of some of those things. > You've got the wrong f*cking madman, pal. If he's a madman then > everybody else in the room was also, cause he got well over 9 standing > ovations that I could count. He also has had the highest approval > rating of any president in US history. He also has my undivided > attention and support. So maybe the majority of Americans are madmen > then? You just described Hitler and the German people in 1939. You just described Goebbels in the Berlin Sportpalast with 100,000 excited Germans shouting "War!" "If war is forced upon us we will fight." Mr. Bush used those words. Hitler used those words when he told the German people that "Polland has attacked!" Hear the speeches of 1939 and of 2003 and compare the phrases. And don't try to tell me anything about the German history. I don't want to take Hussein's side. Surely he is a madman. But Mr. Bush is trying to convince the world to go to a war with unknown consequences to the whole world and he does so without any proper reason so far. The mad side of it is that Mr. Bush plays with something that should not be played with. There are still other means to solve the problem. War is the last means. For Mr. Bush it is the first. The mad side of it are the reasons. Do you really believe he would care for Iraq if it were not the state with the second richest oil fields in the world? And unfortunately not under control of the western oil companies? The mad side of it are the so-called proofs he keeps talking about. If there were hard evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction we would be much further down the way than we are now. UN would have seen the docs last year and S. Hussein would be history by now. > It pisses me off when other countries that have no ethics or balls to do > the right thing in defense of innocents criticize my country and my > president. Germany's histories regarding innocent life are not exactly > something to brag about; however I'm not posting rants regarding Hitler > and the Holocaust and 6 million Jews that were murdered. Oh yeah, and > the fact that the US was one of the primary forces that put a stop to > it. Totally different situation. The American president and the congress did not want to go to war against Germany because a lot of large US companies were tied up with Germany (mostly with the IG Farben conglomerate). The Jewish emigrants from Germany brought hard evidence about the Nazis. Still the Congress voted not to start war. Only the Jewish community forced the president eventually to decide to enter the war. So much about history. The main difference is: Then the US did have evidence about the Nazis and still did not want war. Today the US do not have evidence about Iraq and still want war. No, excuse me all you American citizens: according to all polls not even 50% of the American people want war now. Sorry, you took that so personally, but read the facts. The facts have nothing to do with emotions. And please, don't mix up Germans and Nazis. Although I'm sure that more than 50% of the German people believed Hitler when he went to war. Like you do with your president. wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you.
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