On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 00:44 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:49, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a
> > future for MandrakeSoft.
> > After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and
> > the world as we know it.
> > I listened to the US-Amercan president.
> > I'm not religious, I wish I were. This madman and the options he has
> > scare me to death.
> >
> > wobo
>
> I don't take kindly to my president being called a madman. Especially
> when he is fighting a *real* madman that has slaughtered over 230,000
> innocent kurds with mustard gas; plus done God knows what else to his
> own people; President Bush was descriptive of some of those things.
> You've got the wrong f*cking madman, pal. If he's a madman then
> everybody else in the room was also, cause he got well over 9 standing
> ovations that I could count. He also has had the highest approval
> rating of any president in US history. He also has my undivided
> attention and support. So maybe the majority of Americans are madmen
> then?
You just described Hitler and the German people in 1939.
You just described Goebbels in the Berlin Sportpalast with 100,000
excited Germans shouting "War!"
"If war is forced upon us we will fight." Mr. Bush used those words.
Hitler used those words when he told the German people that "Polland
has attacked!" Hear the speeches of 1939 and of 2003 and compare the
phrases. And don't try to tell me anything about the German history.
I don't want to take Hussein's side. Surely he is a madman. But Mr.
Bush is trying to convince the world to go to a war with unknown
consequences to the whole world and he does so without any proper
reason so far.
The mad side of it is that Mr. Bush plays with something that should
not be played with. There are still other means to solve the problem.
War is the last means. For Mr. Bush it is the first.
The mad side of it are the reasons. Do you really believe he would
care for Iraq if it were not the state with the second richest oil
fields in the world? And unfortunately not under control of the
western oil companies?
The mad side of it are the so-called proofs he keeps talking about. If
there were hard evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction we
would be much further down the way than we are now. UN would have seen
the docs last year and S. Hussein would be history by now.
> It pisses me off when other countries that have no ethics or balls to do
> the right thing in defense of innocents criticize my country and my
> president. Germany's histories regarding innocent life are not exactly
> something to brag about; however I'm not posting rants regarding Hitler
> and the Holocaust and 6 million Jews that were murdered. Oh yeah, and
> the fact that the US was one of the primary forces that put a stop to
> it.
Totally different situation. The American president and the congress
did not want to go to war against Germany because a lot of large US
companies were tied up with Germany (mostly with the IG Farben
conglomerate). The Jewish emigrants from Germany brought hard evidence
about the Nazis. Still the Congress voted not to start war. Only the
Jewish community forced the president eventually to decide to enter
the war. So much about history.
The main difference is: Then the US did have evidence about the Nazis
and still did not want war. Today the US do not have evidence about
Iraq and still want war. No, excuse me all you American citizens:
according to all polls not even 50% of the American people want war
now.
Sorry, you took that so personally, but read the facts. The facts have
nothing to do with emotions.
And please, don't mix up Germans and Nazis. Although I'm sure that
more than 50% of the German people believed Hitler when he went to
war. Like you do with your president.
wobo
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