On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 20:15 +0800, Franki wrote:
>
> Once hitler was in charge.. there was nothing even remotely like
> democracy...
> anyone that disagreed with him was locked up or killed.. many his own
> generals were terrified of him.. and most of the general german army had no
> real idea what was going on or why they were fighting..
> That doesn't sound much like what is going on in the US at the moment..
You are right with this. I did not compare the situation in the USA of
today with the situation in Germany in the 30ies. I just compared Mr.
Bush's speech with the speeches of Hitler and Goering in 1939.
> everyone keeps saying "War is not the way"
Correct. "War is commencing policy by different means." This quote
(can't remember who said that) doesn't apply any more in modern times.
Back when this quote was made war took place in the field.
There were soldiers whose profession it was to go to war. They were
called "warriors". Was the girl killed in 9/11 or the man in the
streets of Oklahoma or the tourist in Djerba or on Bali, were they
warriors? NO.
War has changed to something NOBODY can controll any more. All those
brave soldiers with their fine toys and their "Yes, Sir - No, Sir!"
mentality, they are just a part of war. If Saddam has to fight a
military action of the USA we all will be not warriors but potential
victims of that war. No matter how military actions proceed in Iraq,
there will always be enough terrorists ready to "revenge" whatever
they claim to be to revenge.
> I'd like someone to give us an alternative for getting rid of saddam.. does
> anyone have one?
> Sanctions didn't work against him... just starved his people and made the
> west look like assholes (because saddam tells the people that the west are
> the reason they are starving).
>
> He has been doing the same stuff since 91 and none of the UN stuff has
> worked worth a damn..
>
> So what is this "alternative" so many speak of?? bribe him to leave??
> assasinate him?? what?? lets hear the alternatives.
> One last thing, If there is nothing to what the US has been saying... then
> the UN would not be putting the pressure on iraq that they are now... so
> there must be something to it...
The UN - looks like USA regards themselves not a member any more. All
I hear is "We want this and UN wants that!". The community of world's
people - nothing else is the UN! - has a board of directors if you may
say so, it has no CEO! Maybe Mr. Bush does not know this...
The UN does what the people want from them - they put pressure on
Saddam to find out what's going on to then decide for action. The UN
is not shy to start military actions - read the resolutions of former
conflicts.
> Also, if the US do know stuff we don't.. its possible they can't say because
> they have probably been trying to put spy's over there since 91.. if it
> comes to a choise between revealing all, getting their spy's killed and
> losing their data... what would you do???
There is a point where all this has come into the open. There was a
long time now that Mr. Bush states that the US have evidence. Time
enough to clear out and cut all strings which could endanger someone
who is involved in gathering this evidence.
Furthermore there is noone demanding to see the evidence in public. No
need to show them on CNN.
There is always the option to show the evidence just to the members of
the Security Council and there's no reason to distrust those people
more than the average CIA guy. If those guys of the SC tell the world:
"OK, we have seen proof that Saddam has those weapons. We'll sign a
resolution to fight him." Then my little world is in order again. I'd
still be scared shitless, though. I'm also living in a city and work
in an institution and building which is on the top list of potential
targets (Frankfurt, Germany, German Federal Bank).
> To put it simply, we MUSTN'T judge Bush, because we have no idea what he
> knows.. and what he doesn't. its possible that if you knew what he did, you
> would be campaining for war also. Thats not to say that I agree with him, I
> am simply not in a position to judge..
As long as Mr. Bush is the leader of a nation which is a part of a
community he has to obide by the rules. In this serious issue there is
no "Trust me, I know what I'm doing."
wobo
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