On Mar 11, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Larry wrote:

you're making this way too complicated, simplify, simplify, there's
nothing to this


Really, you shouldn't be telling me, as I am not one of the people who went through this. Some did suffer pain for years or decades. I did have a rather excellent time with the TMSP...but when I was done, I knew it was done. Just walked away and never went back.

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