I agree. This has been an enjoyable discussion, although I participated mostly as an observer. It has given me a bit of a new perspective. On the other hand, I am not much given to such analysis anymore. Still, I found some of the distinctions made quite interesting.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: > > Bluscout this is concise and well said. It is my opinion and experience too. > In Fairfield, pursuit of the wider spiritual cultivation is what has been > much of the history of the last decade or so. > > Beyond transcending is what is missed with just TM. Some people look pretty > bad in fact for lack of dealing with the fitness of the subtle bodies. This > is a lot of what the saints have come around helping people with in their > spiritual progress. Bit by bit people are getting it. > > More recently John Douglas has been extremely helpful to the inner TM circle > on and around campus with this. His darshan and also the processes as > techniques he teaches are chakra based and have been very effective in a > secular way that is more generally acceptable around here. Thus far people > are not being kicked out of the domes for having seen John Douglas or > practicing his techniques. Also, thus far the people organizing for him are > still in the domes. > > And yet the various satsangs all around town attend to this more complete > growth in their programming. It's very spiritual place in practice that way > around Fairfield in fact. On the ground. > > -Dug in FF > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > Well it would mean some are reaching the "bottom" of the ocean (TC) in > > > the bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one of the > > > subtle waves towards the bottom, in a laya (Non-TC). > > > > This is my opinion as well: Much of what is described in TM transcending is > > only laya. Think of the sleeping elephants. They are blockages you haven't > > dealt with. You are only partly awake. Some of these blockages are the > > so-called knots associated with different chakras, so called granthis. > > > > So actually only part of the system is 'awake', the other part sleeps. The > > crucial difference is, that this partial transcending, mental laya, is not > > the awakening of the Atma, the soul. > > > > Chakras, Soul, are not mentioned in the argumentation of Lawson and Judy. > > If you mention them, they ignore it as if you have never said anything. > > Ramana Maharshi says, that in awakening, there is a very fine nadi between > > Sahasrara and heart, which gets activated, the socalled atma-nadi. Shankara > > speaks of the same in his Brahma Sutra commentary. As long as the Atma is > > not awakened, your transcendence will only be laya. You could go on with > > laya forever, it doesn't lead to the Atma. Unless you don't realize the > > Atma, according to Vedanta, there will not be any realization. > > > > > > > > > If you think "that's OK" that seems like a pretty bad rationalization to > > > accept. It's effectively resigning yourself to a limbo. > > > > > >
