Emily, I did not read in detail the entire exchange. But I read enough to see that you were taking issue with some of Barry's perceptions. Unlike Judy who feels that Barry has always been a dishonest broker about all things TMO and MMY, that has not been my perception. When he began posting here, I thought he had a more playful demeanor, and had some neat insights. And sometimes that playfulness, and those insights still come through. But for the most part I feel they have been overtaken by a hard cynicism. And he seems to have lost the appetite for any kind of self reflection, although when he started, that seemed to be one of the areas he felt was important as a general concept.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> wrote: > > Are you trying to ruin my afternoon, here?  It's already pouring rain.  I'm just trying to help the guy out with an alternate perspective - not one more or less valid than his.  I have zero expectations of him - its his choice, after all. > > > > >________________________________ > > From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:18 PM > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula > > > > > > > >Emily, I feel obliged to give you fair warning. You are likely one post away from being on Barry's DNRL. Just so you know. > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: > >> > >> Alrighty, I tried my hand at interspersing my responses... > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________ > >> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com > >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:31 AM > >> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I'm sorry Barry. I may have this wrong...I thought I was > >> >> referring to a conversation between you and Zarzari, not Vag. > >> >> I can tell the difference between you and Vag > >> > > >> >Vaj. Short for Vajranathra, his screen name. You don't > >> >seem to be aware of the fact that by referring to him as > >> >'Vag' you are perpetuating derogative namecalling started > >> >by people who don't like him. That's fairly clueless of > >> >you IMO, especially in the context of criticizing someone > >> >else for the terms *they* use to describe people. > >> >**ER. àThis was a complete mistake/mistype on my part...in my head, I was hearing the word "vague"...probably subconsciously àinfluenced by Bob's post - oh, oh, I see a diagnosis coming my way. àAnd, I totally didn't even think of what Judy mentioned, in terms of relating the name to "vagina." àThat was a real shocker and particularly with regard to the potential to "demean" women - not at all my intent, of course. à> >> > > >> >> I haven't appreciated all the "psychiatric" labeling of late > >> >> because it's so limiting and dismissive and disrespectful > >> >> and inaccurate. Other types of labeling - alright then... > >> > > >> >So labels like "stupid," "liar," "malicious," etc. are > >> >fine with you, just as long as no one uses terms usually > >> >reserved for shrinks. "Vag" is clearly also OK. I get it.à> >> >**ER. àAre you telling me you don't understand the difference in implication or use? àYou are talking apples and oranges here in a huge way. à> >> > > >> >> ...but "psychiatric" labels by armchair experts on an internet > >> >> forum is a bit of a stretch, I think. I actually find the > >> >> exchanges between Curtis and Robin quite interesting, but > >> >> I'm acting as a voyeur only in that respect. > >> > > >> >Isn't "voyeur" too psychiatric a term for you to be using, > >> >given what you just criticized? Just sayin'... :-) > >> >** ER. àI don't know about "voyeur" as a psychiatric term, but it is true that almost everything on this forum has been hitting me as a "love sonnet of giant proportions." àBut, I do often interpret abstractly and may ignore the details and stay in my àversion of the big picture. àTake Merudanda's poetry for example - her communication style is really quite incredible and blows me away. àI really must get back to Sean Williams videos on "is it bipolar or is it waking up." àI'm healing, but who knows, maybe I'm Bipolar I àor Bipolar II or hypomanic or an NPD myself or a "sex addict" or in menopause or in the throes of a growing brain tumor, or any number of other things. àMaybe I'm "normal" with more than my fair share of "common sense." àMaybe I'm "crazy." àMaybe you actually have no idea who I really "am", based on what I write here. àI'm not in any real rush to diagnose myself, honestly, and see no value in > entertaining some internet-based > >> diagnosis either. àIt's a real buzz-kill honestly. > >> > > >> >> I don't experience Robin here the way he was purported to > >> >> behave before he rejected his "enlightenment" and I hold out > >> >> an ideal that people that are willing to explore their depths > >> >> change. It doesn't mean that communication patterns or an > >> >> individual communication style don't persist - that's > >> >> part of the human - expressing who we are and what we believe > >> >> in an always coherent way,àis difficult. > >> > > >> >Not, in my experience, if one is coherent to start with. YMMV. > >> >**ER. àThis is a ridiculous statement to make, particularly, as a writer/editor, if that's what you do. àYou know better than that. > >> > > >> >> But, those that aren't willing or able to explore or question > >> >> themselves and their depths never truly change/evolve/grow, > >> >> in my experience. That's O.K. too for them....but that > >> >> approach won't work for me. Also, I have a pretty loose > >> >> definition of "crazy" - even looser since I started on this > >> >> forum. We are all a bit crazy...you too, IMO. I admit to > >> >> appreciating the "craziness" and "absurdity" of life. > >> > > >> >What I'm questioning is the wisdom of *feeding the fantasies > >> >of people who could possibly be suffering from serious mental > >> >illness*. THAT is what I think has been going on here on FFL > >> >with Ravi and with Robin, and for the basest of reasons. > >> >IMO, a small group of rather sick people here praise these > >> >two, thus feeding their narcissistic fantasies and contributing > >> >to the possibility of making their condition WORSE, for no other > >> >reason than that they're trying to recruit people who will "pile > >> >on" and demonize the same people they live to demonize. I think > >> >that's not only a little sick, but dangerous. I fear it will > >> >end badly, and when it does the very people who have been > >> >*encouraging* Ravi and Robin to act even crazier than they > >> >normally do are going to say, "Awwww...too bad. But it wasn't > >> >my fault." > >> > > >> >How crazy does a person have to BE before someone used to > >> >craziness in the TM movement NOTICES? Would RWC have to have > >> >written *twenty* thousand words trying to insult and taunt > >> >Curtis into perpetuating a useless and pointless "I'm right > >> >and you're wrong" argument with him before they thought it > >> >was crazy? I got it after the first ten thousand words. > >> > > >> >Truth be told, I got it during his first couple of weeks on > >> >FFL. Knowing almost nothing about him, I struggled valiantly > >> >for a while to make it through the incoherent mass of self > >> >obsession that he posted, wrote him off as not worth my time > >> >to read, and said so. The realization that he was actually > >> >crazy came later, after he started to make up things to act > >> >outraged about, and started to abuse people who failed to > >> >consider him important enough to argue with. > >> > > >> >Although I have my doubts about several other people on this > >> >forum, who strike me as fairly "high functioning" psychopaths, > >> >there are two I think are losing their ability to function. > >> >I have named them, and applied what I think are the approp- > >> >riate psychiatric labels to their behavior.à> >> >**ER. àI understand the position you are articulating here and below and you do have a right to your own opinion. àIt's clear that you feel you are an expert in these matters - case closed. à> >> >People who never question themselves and assume that their reality is representative of the one true reality and as such, applies to everyone else on the planet, are impenetrable, completely predictable, and fully fear-based in their subconscious, from what I've experienced in life. àDoesn't mean these people don't have interesting things to say now and again, don't have a sense of humor, and don't deserve to live on the planet or post on FFL. à> >> > > >> >You don't seem to like these labels. Well, come up with your > >> >own. When doing so, I hope you aren't as limited as those > >> >who have to rely on epithets like "stupid" or "liar." Or, > >> >for that matter, "Vag." > >> > > >> >> >________________________________ > >> >> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:36 AM > >> >> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula > >> >> > > >> >> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> From my years of experience, I am of the opinion that you/Barry > >> >> >> have made some critical and major errors in judgment and should > >> >> >> have preceded your diagnostic conclusions with a well-researched > >> >> >> "fatal flaw analysis," at the very least. > >> >> > > >> >> >Emily, a couple of points. First, Vaj and I are > >> >> >different people, not one person with two names > >> >> >separated by a forward slash. You are the second > >> >> >person in two days to not be able to tell the > >> >> >difference between us, and that we're separate > >> >> >people. Just sayin'. > >> >> > > >> >> >Second, in saying that I think RWC was suffering > >> >> >from hypomania and a host of other serious disorders > >> >> >back when he first declared his enlightenment and > >> >> >still is today, I was stating my OPINION. I was not > >> >> >trying to sell that opinion to you. > >> >> > > >> >> >If you feel that someone spending several weeks and > >> >> >writing literally tens of thousands of words, all > >> >> >seemingly dashed off uncontrollably, as if in a fit > >> >> >of mania, all trying to get one person to interact > >> >> >with him so that RWC could tell him over and over > >> >> >and over what's wrong with him -- if you feel this > >> >> >is SANE behavior, I feel sorry for you, but that's > >> >> >your choice. Go with it. > >> >> > > >> >> >I'm merely pointing out that to me it *doesn't* > >> >> >feel like SANE behavior. It feels like the opposite. > >> >> >ALL of RWC's ramblings since he appeared on this > >> >> >forum have struck me as being highly manic and as > >> >> >lacking coherence. Often he "goas off on" and gets > >> >> >crazy behind things *that weren't even said to him*, > >> >> >such as that there was some incriminating photo of > >> >> >him in drag running around out there. That was pure > >> >> >imagination on his part, and in my opinion not > >> >> >healthy imagination. I think the guy's a total nutcase. > >> >> > > >> >> >Furthermore I think he's essentially the SAME nutcase > >> >> >he was back in Fairfield, running the SAME number on > >> >> >gullible people here that he ran on gullible people > >> >> >there. Back when he was a crazy person pretending to > >> >> >be a spiritual teacher in Fairfield, RWC's "schtick" > >> >> >(according to several sources, not just Vaj) consisted > >> >> >of dragging people up on stage and then confronting > >> >> >them and yelling at them and telling them what was > >> >> >wrong with them and what demons were inhabiting them. > >> >> >Now look at what he was trying to do to Curtis. Do > >> >> >you see any difference? I do not. > >> >> > > >> >> >If he sticks around, and you consider him SANE enough > >> >> >to do so, I think you should have as many conversations > >> >> >with RWC as you see fit. Go for it. Have a ball. > >> >> > > >> >> >But don't expect me to, because I just don't interact > >> >> >with crazy people any more. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
