Are you trying to ruin my afternoon, here? It's already pouring rain. I'm just trying to help the guy out with an alternate perspective - not one more or less valid than his. I have zero expectations of him - its his choice, after all.
>________________________________ > From: seventhray1 <steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:18 PM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi >Chivukula > > > >Emily, I feel obliged to give you fair warning. You are likely one post away >from being on Barry's DNRL. Just so you know. > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> wrote: >> >> Alrighty, I tried my hand at interspersing my responses... >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:31 AM >> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi >> >Chivukula >> > >> > >> > >> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm sorry Barry. I may have this wrong...I thought I was >> >> referring to a conversation between you and Zarzari, not Vag. >> >> I can tell the difference between you and Vag >> > >> >Vaj. Short for Vajranathra, his screen name. You don't >> >seem to be aware of the fact that by referring to him as >> >'Vag' you are perpetuating derogative namecalling started >> >by people who don't like him. That's fairly clueless of >> >you IMO, especially in the context of criticizing someone >> >else for the terms *they* use to describe people. >> >**ER.  This was a complete mistake/mistype on my part...in my head, I was >> >hearing the word "vague"...probably subconsciously  influenced by Bob's >> >post - oh, oh, I see a diagnosis coming my way.  And, I totally didn't >> >even think of what Judy mentioned, in terms of relating the name to >> >"vagina."  That was a real shocker and particularly with regard to the >> >potential to "demean" women - not at all my intent, of course.  >> > >> >> I haven't appreciated all the "psychiatric" labeling of late >> >> because it's so limiting and dismissive and disrespectful >> >> and inaccurate. Other types of labeling - alright then... >> > >> >So labels like "stupid," "liar," "malicious," etc. are >> >fine with you, just as long as no one uses terms usually >> >reserved for shrinks. "Vag" is clearly also OK. I get it. >> >**ER.  Are you telling me you don't understand the difference in >> >implication or use?  You are talking apples and oranges here in a huge >> >way.  >> > >> >> ...but "psychiatric" labels by armchair experts on an internet >> >> forum is a bit of a stretch, I think. I actually find the >> >> exchanges between Curtis and Robin quite interesting, but >> >> I'm acting as a voyeur only in that respect. >> > >> >Isn't "voyeur" too psychiatric a term for you to be using, >> >given what you just criticized? Just sayin'... :-) >> >** ER.  I don't know about "voyeur" as a psychiatric term, but it is true >> >that almost everything on this forum has been hitting me as a "love sonnet >> >of giant proportions."  But, I do often interpret abstractly and may >> >ignore the details and stay in my  version of the big picture.  Take >> >Merudanda's poetry for example - her communication style is really quite >> >incredible and blows me away.  I really must get back to Sean Williams >> >videos on "is it bipolar or is it waking up."  I'm healing, but who knows, >> >maybe I'm Bipolar I  or Bipolar II or hypomanic or an NPD myself or a "sex >> >addict" or in menopause or in the throes of a growing brain tumor, or any >> >number of other things.  Maybe I'm "normal" with more than my fair share >> >of "common sense."  Maybe I'm "crazy."  Maybe you actually have no idea >> >who I really "am", based on what I write here.  I'm not in any real rush >> >to diagnose myself, honestly, and see no value in entertaining some internet-based >> diagnosis either.  It's a real buzz-kill honestly. >> > >> >> I don't experience Robin here the way he was purported to >> >> behave before he rejected his "enlightenment" and I hold out >> >> an ideal that people that are willing to explore their depths >> >> change. It doesn't mean that communication patterns or an >> >> individual communication style don't persist - that's >> >> part of the human - expressing who we are and what we believe >> >> in an always coherent way, is difficult. >> > >> >Not, in my experience, if one is coherent to start with. YMMV. >> >**ER.  This is a ridiculous statement to make, particularly, as a >> >writer/editor, if that's what you do.  You know better than that. >> > >> >> But, those that aren't willing or able to explore or question >> >> themselves and their depths never truly change/evolve/grow, >> >> in my experience. That's O.K. too for them....but that >> >> approach won't work for me. Also, I have a pretty loose >> >> definition of "crazy" - even looser since I started on this >> >> forum. We are all a bit crazy...you too, IMO. I admit to >> >> appreciating the "craziness" and "absurdity" of life. >> > >> >What I'm questioning is the wisdom of *feeding the fantasies >> >of people who could possibly be suffering from serious mental >> >illness*. THAT is what I think has been going on here on FFL >> >with Ravi and with Robin, and for the basest of reasons. >> >IMO, a small group of rather sick people here praise these >> >two, thus feeding their narcissistic fantasies and contributing >> >to the possibility of making their condition WORSE, for no other >> >reason than that they're trying to recruit people who will "pile >> >on" and demonize the same people they live to demonize. I think >> >that's not only a little sick, but dangerous. I fear it will >> >end badly, and when it does the very people who have been >> >*encouraging* Ravi and Robin to act even crazier than they >> >normally do are going to say, "Awwww...too bad. But it wasn't >> >my fault." >> > >> >How crazy does a person have to BE before someone used to >> >craziness in the TM movement NOTICES? Would RWC have to have >> >written *twenty* thousand words trying to insult and taunt >> >Curtis into perpetuating a useless and pointless "I'm right >> >and you're wrong" argument with him before they thought it >> >was crazy? I got it after the first ten thousand words. >> > >> >Truth be told, I got it during his first couple of weeks on >> >FFL. Knowing almost nothing about him, I struggled valiantly >> >for a while to make it through the incoherent mass of self >> >obsession that he posted, wrote him off as not worth my time >> >to read, and said so. The realization that he was actually >> >crazy came later, after he started to make up things to act >> >outraged about, and started to abuse people who failed to >> >consider him important enough to argue with. >> > >> >Although I have my doubts about several other people on this >> >forum, who strike me as fairly "high functioning" psychopaths, >> >there are two I think are losing their ability to function. >> >I have named them, and applied what I think are the approp- >> >riate psychiatric labels to their behavior. >> >**ER.  I understand the position you are articulating here and below and >> >you do have a right to your own opinion.  It's clear that you feel you are >> >an expert in these matters - case closed.  >> >People who never question themselves and assume that their reality is >> >representative of the one true reality and as such, applies to everyone >> >else on the planet, are impenetrable, completely predictable, and fully >> >fear-based in their subconscious, from what I've experienced in life. >> > Doesn't mean these people don't have interesting things to say now and >> >again, don't have a sense of humor, and don't deserve to live on the planet >> >or post on FFL.  >> > >> >You don't seem to like these labels. Well, come up with your >> >own. When doing so, I hope you aren't as limited as those >> >who have to rely on epithets like "stupid" or "liar." Or, >> >for that matter, "Vag." >> > >> >> >________________________________ >> >> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com >> >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:36 AM >> >> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to >> >> >Ravi Chivukula >> >> > >> >> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> From my years of experience, I am of the opinion that you/Barry >> >> >> have made some critical and major errors in judgment and should >> >> >> have preceded your diagnostic conclusions with a well-researched >> >> >> "fatal flaw analysis," at the very least. >> >> > >> >> >Emily, a couple of points. First, Vaj and I are >> >> >different people, not one person with two names >> >> >separated by a forward slash. You are the second >> >> >person in two days to not be able to tell the >> >> >difference between us, and that we're separate >> >> >people. Just sayin'. >> >> > >> >> >Second, in saying that I think RWC was suffering >> >> >from hypomania and a host of other serious disorders >> >> >back when he first declared his enlightenment and >> >> >still is today, I was stating my OPINION. I was not >> >> >trying to sell that opinion to you. >> >> > >> >> >If you feel that someone spending several weeks and >> >> >writing literally tens of thousands of words, all >> >> >seemingly dashed off uncontrollably, as if in a fit >> >> >of mania, all trying to get one person to interact >> >> >with him so that RWC could tell him over and over >> >> >and over what's wrong with him -- if you feel this >> >> >is SANE behavior, I feel sorry for you, but that's >> >> >your choice. Go with it. >> >> > >> >> >I'm merely pointing out that to me it *doesn't* >> >> >feel like SANE behavior. It feels like the opposite. >> >> >ALL of RWC's ramblings since he appeared on this >> >> >forum have struck me as being highly manic and as >> >> >lacking coherence. Often he "goas off on" and gets >> >> >crazy behind things *that weren't even said to him*, >> >> >such as that there was some incriminating photo of >> >> >him in drag running around out there. That was pure >> >> >imagination on his part, and in my opinion not >> >> >healthy imagination. I think the guy's a total nutcase. >> >> > >> >> >Furthermore I think he's essentially the SAME nutcase >> >> >he was back in Fairfield, running the SAME number on >> >> >gullible people here that he ran on gullible people >> >> >there. Back when he was a crazy person pretending to >> >> >be a spiritual teacher in Fairfield, RWC's "schtick" >> >> >(according to several sources, not just Vaj) consisted >> >> >of dragging people up on stage and then confronting >> >> >them and yelling at them and telling them what was >> >> >wrong with them and what demons were inhabiting them. >> >> >Now look at what he was trying to do to Curtis. Do >> >> >you see any difference? I do not. >> >> > >> >> >If he sticks around, and you consider him SANE enough >> >> >to do so, I think you should have as many conversations >> >> >with RWC as you see fit. Go for it. Have a ball. >> >> > >> >> >But don't expect me to, because I just don't interact >> >> >with crazy people any more. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >
