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I am having a problem conveying my
findings. Éric and Ansgar are so far the only two that really
understand what I was talking about when I started the thread. It is a very
simple matter. Finale SOMETIMES just erratically spaces certain measures on the
same line. Individual bars are spaced OK but the proportionality between two or
three measures is off. What you get is same note values spaced differently
between the two measures. It is mostly evident when you introduce accidentals
in the mix, but happens without them as well. From what I can see so far the
initial spacing is done OK (seen in the page view or TG tools applied Add/Remove
Space) but when Finale scales the measures to fit them on the line it gives
certain measures (combination of values, notes with accidentals, etc) more
space then others. In many cases it DOES NOT. There is no specific situation or
combination that you can pin point and show as an example. Sure you can do
manual adjustments, apply plug-ins etc., but they are never perfect. Dragging
the barline, reducing the measure width is a workaround but not a solution. Allotment
libraries simply don’t work. I don’t know why we still need them
when they introduced the scaling factor. We should be able to get very
different results by adjusting scaling factor, reference duration, minimum
space between the items, etc. Why would I have to specify the values for
Fibonacci spacing when there is the feature that should do it automatically for
me? For example, why do we get inaccurate results if we specify: Scaling factor
1.618, Reference Duration of 1 quarter and reference width of 1 space (84 evpu)
“Use default width if duration not in table” also doesn’t work
properly. And people that completely dismiss Sibelius spacing are wrong. They
had major issues with Version 1 and 2, but tremendously improved with 3 and 4. On
the other hand Music Press has a Scaling Factor and Percentage at which the
factor is applied. Excluding the problem of spacing tuplets on multiple lines
it works wonderfully. Just my thoughts. Dejan Badnjar Musette Desktop Music Publishing L9W 4X3 Tel.: (519) 942-0407 Fax: (519) 942-4417 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Éric Dussault Le 06-09-06 à 15:47, Fiskum, Steve a écrit :
Spacing is a hard thing to
discuss. It comes with experience and understanding of the extra tools
available. Did you know that some scores can look just fine by using Time
Signature spacing with all of the measures staying at the same width? It
really depends on your project and what type of spacing needs to be applied.
Spacing Octavos vs. spacing Concert Band music are very different. I am
thankful that at least within Finale we have options...not so in Sib. I am
leery when I hear people asking MM to "try to fix" this issue, because
spacing is so personal. What could be fixed for your issues could make my
workflow a disaster. Personally I believe there are different spacing concerns
with every piece and that Finale does a good job getting the initial spacing
setup to start engraving. If there are any improvements: I
would like to have 2 choices for "Min. Distance Between Notes with
Ties" 1. Notes with ledger lines 2. Notes without ledger lines I can understand your frustration
but with a little extra work you can get the spacing options you prefer.
Instead of taking 2 days to work on this issue with MM...take those same
days and try creating your own spacing allotments. You might be
surprised how well it can work for you. My 2 cents (ducking from the
flames). Steve I agree that any situation is different and there are always a way to
make spacing look ok in Finale. But it was not Dejan's question. We know that there are tweakings and workaround in Finale, but he was
pointing out a specific example, very relevant, where Score's music spacing was
great (in general a big strengh of Score), and Finale, Sibelius and Graphire
Music Press more of less had the same inferior spacing. Most of us will agree
that having music spacing that does not distort or alter the visual duration of
notes is something desirable. Why not hope that Finale on two consecutive
measures of sixteenth notes have them spaced more regularly? That's the point
of Dejan and I totally agree with him on this. Are there many of us that would
like default music spacing to be more beautiful? It's strange that this debate always result in people showing their own
workarounds, thus escaping the real thread (same thing on MakeMusic's forum). Éric |
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