Ok. The important thing to remember is perspective. It seems that either you are introducing the game, or your friend is focused on the game, not having graphics. Don't say anything about what the game doesn't have. I mean, look at Jim Kitchen's games. I recently had a friend over who was disappointed that we weren't going to play Kitchensinc Life. That game is pretty simple, from a mechanics point of view. It has no graphics. It doesn't technically follow the rules or board of Life. If I said that to my friend, would they want to play it? Most likely not. Instead, I did it like this, a long time ago. Hey. I want to show you this neat game. It's called life, and it's a really good reimagining of that boardgame. Your person is going to proceed along the board, and you can sit back and listen, which was key at that point, since my room was not arranged for viewing pleasure, and this was long enough ago that I was in high school and did a lot of game playing in my room.
I got my friends interested in the game by telling them all the neat things that were in the games. As for your graphics obsessed friend, tell them to play ... oh man. I can't remember the name that I was looking for,, but tell them to play a visual novel or watch a movie if they only care about graphics, because, as the game industry is quickly learning, graphics don't make a game. Many sighted people are making audiogames for themselves. I can't tell you the amount of apps I've seen on the store for iDevices where the point is to sit and listen rather than to play a specific game. As I recall, the game Dimensions is not developed with blind people in mind, we can just play the game as anyone else can, but it's audio based. Some audio based apps are still inaccessible to us for one reason or another, but audiogaming is becoming rather more mainstreamed than we might expect. I suggest, and I might start a new topic at some point, that we petition the audiogames.net folks to subordinate the gblind people stuff to the audiogames stuff. For example: I can direct sighted folks to audiogames.net, but I always have to give them the disclaimer that there are a lot of muds and gamebooks and text adventures on that site. I suggest that, especially with the massive list on PCSGames site and the Audyssey magazine getting back into the mix, that audiogames.net be a site for audiogames rather than games for the blind or games we can play. That way, if I want my friend to see about audiogames, they can go to that one site and learn about games in audio, whether they are meant for the blind, playable by the blind, accessible, inaccessible, or whatever. Anyway, relating to Swamp again, it's all in the perspective. If we focus on what we don't have, we'll be pretty depressed, as will anyone we try to talk to about our stuff. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/16/13, shaun everiss <sm.ever...@gmail.com> wrote: > aah ok maybe the people I tried to introduce the games to were not > that interested. > oh well. > > At 06:15 AM 4/17/2013, you wrote: >>I will say this. It depends very much on the person... but if I can >>introduce sighted people to Goalball, a sport way more complex than >>the most complex audio game... and if they can enjoy that without >>vision, audiogames are just a step down. >>----- Original Message ----- From: "shaun everiss" <sm.ever...@gmail.com> >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:21 AM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Can a sighted person play swamp? >> >> >>>how do you approach a sighted gamer with a game with no graphics. >>>I havn't showed swamp in its latest reencarnation but when >>>I showed 2.8 to my friend he had a look at the game, screwed up >>>his face and told me that they were crappy line graphics and that >>>he was wasting his time. >>>same with shades of doom. >>>if I could get over that maybe but how do you tell a sightling to >>>not use their eyes at all on those games with no graphics. >>> >>>At 05:48 AM 4/17/2013, you wrote: >>>>The first thing that would make it easier for sighted people to >>>>play swamp is that Swamp does have graphics. 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