online, 3...paper and pencil 5 or 6 Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Jones To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Alteraeon knock spell
Bash door would be okay, actually, but not as a skill. It ought to be something that anyone can do, it is strength-based and can only be done to certain doors. Also, I am fine with doors that specifically require a key to open. Not every door ought to be pickable/knockable (it's a word now, so...), but the majority of them ought to be (and, from what I can tell, they are). I don't mean to be condescending with this question, Kieth, but how many other role-playing games have you played? On 1/10/17, Keith S <ks.steinbac...@gmail.com> wrote: > at this rate, they might as well have a warrior skill like chop door or bash > door. > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Jones > To: Gamers Discussion list > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Alteraeon knock spell > > > Pretty much this. Every other role-playing game I have ever played > (and I have played a lot of them) has the knock spell a guaranteed > success when used. I understand the need for balance, but there are > far better ways to accomplish this than the current one in use. > > The only way I would pick up Knock is if my primary was a Mage and I > had a lot of Mage cast gear on. Even then, I am not certain if it is > worth the pracs when I could simply take levels in Thief and the pick > locks skill. > > On 1/10/17, Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com> wrote: > > Why not just have knock blow the hinge pins out of the door? > > > > On Tue, 10 Jan 2017, dark wrote: > > > >> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:26:00 > >> From: dark <d...@xgam.org> > >> Reply-To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org> > >> To: Gamers@audyssey.org > >> Subject: [Audyssey] Alteraeon knock spell > >> > >> Hi. > >> > >> I've been trying to do the drow city close to fort Magnitia, and ran > >> across a door that was locked. > >> I tried the knock spell a bunch of times, and despite havig 25 int and > 18 > >> dex couldn't get through at all. I've neglected learning lock picking > >> since as a druid mage I really should be using magic rather than dex, > >> however it seems that KNock pretty much is just lock picking with a > mana > >> cost, which makes it a bit pointless, and also a problem if you don't > have > >> high dex, indeed I got killed because I ran out of mana on the bloody > door > >> (that and I didn't have a livoak at the time). > >> > >> I was therefore wondering if the knock spell could be made a bit more > >> effective as an alternative tto lock picking given that it costs mana > to > >> use. Indeed what might be fun is if the knock spell, instead of simply > >> replicating the lock picking skill with a spell opened the door in a > >> different way, for example with the first casting having the mage > >> concentrate and grasp the tumblers in the lock one by one before > turning > >> them, meaning knock would always work, but at an increased mana cost. > >> > >> Heck necromancers could have a versio where they create a literal > skeleton > >> key out of harvested bones, which could be more efficient on mana than > the > >> mage version, but require teeth. > >> > >> I know the game often has several ways of doing the same thing, for > >> example the spells candle, crystal light and continual light, but it'd > be > >> really useful if in this case the spell did a little more than just > >> replicate lock pick and so could be a bit more useful to none > thieves. > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Dark. > >> --- > >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > >> list, > >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > --- > > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > > -- > Justin M. 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