There are quite a few good sites on this subject. I'm not guru but I get
by in Linux (occasionally I get confused and write Nortel DMS commands
in the terminal but that's just standard insanity).
I have a good simple backout/backin plan if it blew up!. I'm not overly
concerned by the difficulty in setting it up I'm kinda up for the challenge.
Issue all along is budget if I can do it, do it well and get it in with
no budget - happy "customer", such is life. I'm gonna start firing up
some VM's to play with at some point.
On 09/04/12 01:52, Ally Biggs wrote:
Gotta give Microsoft kudos where it's due, setting up active
directory, group policies and domain functionality is a walk in the
park compared to Linux. someone really needs to write a plain English
guide on how to deploy and integrate Linux in a windows environment.
The documentation needs to be clear, concise, updated and work on
numerous popular Linux distros such as Debian or Redhat. Sure there
are numerous guides and distros like Sme server and tools like webmin
to make the setting up and administration side less painful but when
things go wrong and your left staring at a config file or a terminal
window thinking wtf do I do now? Then things can be a pain in the ass
unless you are a Linux god or can afford to get a Linux consultant
which is a additional expense and could be avoided if you deployed
server 2k8 r2 :)
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2012, at 23:01, "Bryn Jones" <hants...@http-420.co.uk
<mailto:hants...@http-420.co.uk>> wrote:
Oh yeah its all theory but things like SME server says it's not only
doable but comes in a box at times. It also has to be 100%
supportable by me ar anyone with enough knowledge. Walking into a
network to troubleshoot someones insane one off implementation of
something really mad and obscure has been part of my life for a long
time :) (is it wrong I enjoy it though?)
It's not "core" to their needs they can bimble along..... As a
"consultant" I think it will improve their lives a bit,
authentication is not the main reason I'm moving them to more server
side stuff (backups, firewalls yada yada)..... I just wrote a huge
recommendations doc mainly full of neat lil tweaks they can do to
make life easier on their own.
I am aware that Windows AD is simple, it also costs. When budget=£0
(or around that) then a bit of creativity goes a long way......
On 08/04/12 22:42, Ian Grody wrote:
With all due respect, LDAP is nice and all and is quite versatile
and useful etc etc etc.
However, as much I am a hardcore BSD/Linux user, m$ active directory
excretes all over LDAP many, many fold, as hard as it is for me to
admit this. I wont go into all the technicals, using Linux for LDAP
in a Win domain would be a fun project and something to "try out" -
But, I would be somewhat weary of relying on it unless you know
exactly what you are getting yourself into.
On the other hand, new users to Linux coming from win benefit in
many ways...
Examples: Be offline when testing;
Install a webcam on both Windows & Linux and time how long it takes
before you get to see a live picture from it.
Do the same with any USB storage device & time how long it takes to
be able to read or write to the device.
Do the same for a usb bluetooth or wifi device.
Do the same for a mass majority of hardware & you will notice win
has to go online almost each time to obtain a driver. Most times out
of 10, Linux already has one and works out of the box.
Now, doing something like using Linux as an AD for Win domain, takes
a lot of time, effort & work. It is highly doable and yes, there are
lots of documents. But, what happens if it breaks and you are not
about..!?
As I say, be fun to try as a project....
Ian
On 08/04/2012 17:42, Tony Wood wrote:
+1 to Ally's remarks.
As a relative newcomer to Linux, I was at first somewhat put off by
the quick-fire geekiness I saw in these mailing lists.
I'm glad now that I persisted and am amazed at the difference now
that I and my wife have gone 100% Linux: FAR less hassle; fewer
clicks to do what we want; and the support from other users is the
stuff of dreams.
Even Terminal is becoming a pussycat; I really appreciate the way
it doesn't chide you - it politely suggests a course of action to
'try' and which actually WORKS.
I've always liked cars and motorbikes that seem to be 'on my side'
and don't try to catch me out.
Linux seems to be firmly on my side.
Tony Wood
(Netbook)
On 08/04/12 12:35, Ally Biggs wrote:
I agree with Stuart I have had a lot of experiences of Linux users slating
windows or calling it windozes and stupid names, And you are right it does make
people unwelcome. Linux and windows both bring something unique to the table
both have there pros and cons. linux for the server side and windows for the
home. Linux will never be as big as windows for home use you only have to look
at microsofts market share to see this. and hey if learning about Microsoft
enables me to better my wages then so be it I will continue to learn and
support both I wish people would not be so anal about linux yes it is more
stable and yes it can be run on a variety of different hardware yes it can be a
pain in the ass making the transition from windows to Nix, and it doesn't help
when the majority of Linux communities are full of god like beings who expect
you to be some kind of terminal / programming guru, Sometimes I don't want to
spend days reading outdated documentation and guides
on how to set up a domain controller why waste all that time when I can click
one button in ms products. sure I've setup a dc the open source way but by the
time a newbie like myself did it Microsoft would of broke that version of samba
lol
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2012, at 11:19, "Stuart Sears"<stu...@sjsears.com>
<mailto:stu...@sjsears.com> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:44:42 +0100, Bryn Jones wrote:
[snip, hopefully without attribution errors]
Also would M$ Windoze be more acceptable?
No, not really. It looks and sounds childish to me.
Constant references to Microsoft and Windows like this (which often appear in publicly
searchable archives) just put non-Linux users off and make the Linux community look like
a bunch of childish nerds. The more I work with both technologies, the more it seems
these attitudes cause windows-centric people who have expressed an interest in open
source and Linux to feel unwelcome. They just cause enmity and do "the cause"
(if there is one) more harm than good.
If you want to encourage people to investigate Linux and open source as viable
alternatives to their current systems it's important to not treat them like
idiots or make them feel picked-on in some way.
Just my 2p-worth. Don't take it personally, it's not intended that way.
(hey I used to work on Windows solely and would have happily
told people to just buy SBS and get on with it. I learned
too much working in M$ dev houses to ever
recommend it as a 1st option).
"not recommending" is not the same as "calling silly names" :)
Just sayin'.
Stuart
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