I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on a mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to fight on a *public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates*. At least have the decency to be childish in private.
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey bottiger? > > No > > One > > Cares > > -James > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:10 PM, bottige...@gmail.com <bottige...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> This complaint about economics is a red herring that "404 user not found" >> was just using to slander us. Valve had no problems enforcing the economic >> rules before by making plugin given hats and weapons invisible in the game. >> If particles were really such a big deal, they would've made them invisible >> already. They already actively enforce economic rules in CS:GO, a game >> where community servers are also forced to be inferior to official ones. If >> throwing community servers into the browser solved the econ problem, then >> why didn't they remove invisible hats and weapons? So the reality is that >> Valve still polices the economy regardless of community servers being >> ghettoized or not. >> >> Also, back when plugin hats were still possible and rampant, we never >> used it. So to paint us as some kind of serial anti-valve rule breaker is >> simply wrong. >> >> I think at this point there is no real solution that Valve is interested >> in doing, otherwise they would have done so a lot sooner now that it has >> been what, about 3 years since community servers were removed from >> quickplay? The idea to have white-listing cost money has been suggested >> many times before and while it is a real solution, Valve does not seem to >> be interested in this given the inaction. >> >> As I mentioned earlier, the most we could hope for is to have them throw >> in a few community-server only contracts. But even if Valve somehow agreed >> with the idea, I don't think it would be enough to stop the massive decline >> that's going on right now. >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Rowedahelicon < >> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >> >>> I think at least to stay on topic, there is a matter of the economy >>> rules Valve set in place, which I've always felt have been very vague when >>> it comes into really specific cases like this. Ideally speaking, I feel >>> like if what constitutes as a "valve approved" server would be very bare >>> bones, but if you want to run setups that one would find questionable is >>> why you'd have separate servers for that reason >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:12 PM, bottige...@gmail.com < >>> bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You are upset that this thread is going a little off topic but I am >>>> simply defending my community and at the same time refuting his silly >>>> argument that pro-community actions are useless because we abuse Valve's >>>> rules. >>>> >>>> We used to let accusations like this go uncontested and it resulted in >>>> having our community being wrongfully mixed up with saigns and other >>>> falsehoods. So we now aggressively fight them before they can spread. >>>> >>>> If he wants to stop his 7 year old grudge for being banned for racism >>>> for 1 day and getting mad that we charge people for server benefits instead >>>> of running servers with welfare money like he did, then there wouldn't be >>>> any reason to respond. >>>> >>>> I am sure that most people here would do the same instead of keeping >>>> quiet. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Tohru Adachi <tohruada...@8chan.co> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ...Can we please stop with the drama, both of you? This isn't the >>>>> place for it. >>>>> >>>>> On 09/11/2017 00:53, bottige...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Where exactly do you see that I'm selling unusuals? Because I'm not. I >>>>>> don't sell anything. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hmm really, you want to prove you are blatantly lying again like you >>>>> did on alliedmods with your alt account abrandnewday. >>>>> >>>>> https://i.imgur.com/nyuMwV0.png >>>>> >>>>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=243705 >>>>> >>>>> https://i.imgur.com/wLOj1oS.png >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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