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Go away -James On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:20 PM, bottige...@gmail.com <bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: > You could have ignored it. You could have just said "Not true, but it's >> not the time and place to discuss it here." > > > I already stated our reasons for ignoring things like this which we have > done for many years, and just doesn't work. A weak response like "Not true" > and not offering any sort of substantial response is not going to convince > anyone either. > > This is exactly the time and the place to discuss it. What exactly do you > accomplish if you let other people slander you in public and you only > respond in private??? If you don't refute them in public, then people will > just assume they are telling the truth. > > It is sad that you are all so invested in this idea and terrified that > Valve will ignore it that you cannot even tolerate 3 replies that weren't > really off-topic. > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chris Dunphy <cdunph...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Did I say you don’t have the right to respond? You certainly do. Respond >> if you want, but do it literally anywhere else but here. Do not clog up the >> mailing list with this nonsense. This list is not for airing your dirty >> laundry, which I can assure you absolutely nobody on this list cares about. >> >> >> >> *Take it elsewhere.* >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *bottige...@gmail.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:58 PM >> *To: *Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >> *Subject: *Re: [hlds] Proposal >> >> >> >> I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on a >> mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to >> fight on a *public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates*. At least >> have the decency to be childish in private. >> >> >> >> I don't think we are being childish for defending ourselves. We ignored >> things like this before and it has led to many lies being spread about us >> that have perpetuated even now like having pay2win or being confused with >> saigns. If someone is going to call us out in public, especially someone >> that has been slandering us for 7 years, we have a right to respond. >> >> >> >> I am confused why you are expressing anger towards us when 404 was the >> one that derailed this thread in the first place and blames us for being >> the reason why Valve can't do this proposal when he is guilty of the thing >> he accuses us of. >> >> >> >> This was a choice between defending ourselves, or slightly cluttering up >> a suggestion that probably has 0 chance of being done since it was already >> suggested to Valve many years ago... It was an easy choice to make, and I >> would make the same choice again. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Chris Dunphy <cdunph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on a >> mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to >> fight on a *public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates*. At least >> have the decency to be childish in private. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hey bottiger? >> >> >> >> No >> >> >> >> One >> >> >> >> Cares >> >> >> -James >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:10 PM, bottige...@gmail.com < >> bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This complaint about economics is a red herring that "404 user not found" >> was just using to slander us. Valve had no problems enforcing the economic >> rules before by making plugin given hats and weapons invisible in the game. >> If particles were really such a big deal, they would've made them invisible >> already. They already actively enforce economic rules in CS:GO, a game >> where community servers are also forced to be inferior to official ones. If >> throwing community servers into the browser solved the econ problem, then >> why didn't they remove invisible hats and weapons? So the reality is that >> Valve still polices the economy regardless of community servers being >> ghettoized or not. >> >> >> >> Also, back when plugin hats were still possible and rampant, we never >> used it. So to paint us as some kind of serial anti-valve rule breaker is >> simply wrong. >> >> >> >> I think at this point there is no real solution that Valve is interested >> in doing, otherwise they would have done so a lot sooner now that it has >> been what, about 3 years since community servers were removed from >> quickplay? The idea to have white-listing cost money has been suggested >> many times before and while it is a real solution, Valve does not seem to >> be interested in this given the inaction. >> >> >> >> As I mentioned earlier, the most we could hope for is to have them throw >> in a few community-server only contracts. But even if Valve somehow agreed >> with the idea, I don't think it would be enough to stop the massive decline >> that's going on right now. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Rowedahelicon < >> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >> >> I think at least to stay on topic, there is a matter of the economy rules >> Valve set in place, which I've always felt have been very vague when it >> comes into really specific cases like this. Ideally speaking, I feel like >> if what constitutes as a "valve approved" server would be very bare bones, >> but if you want to run setups that one would find questionable is why you'd >> have separate servers for that reason >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:12 PM, bottige...@gmail.com < >> bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You are upset that this thread is going a little off topic but I am >> simply defending my community and at the same time refuting his silly >> argument that pro-community actions are useless because we abuse Valve's >> rules. >> >> >> >> We used to let accusations like this go uncontested and it resulted in >> having our community being wrongfully mixed up with saigns and other >> falsehoods. So we now aggressively fight them before they can spread. >> >> >> >> If he wants to stop his 7 year old grudge for being banned for racism for >> 1 day and getting mad that we charge people for server benefits instead of >> running servers with welfare money like he did, then there wouldn't be any >> reason to respond. >> >> >> >> I am sure that most people here would do the same instead of keeping >> quiet. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Tohru Adachi <tohruada...@8chan.co> >> wrote: >> >> ...Can we please stop with the drama, both of you? This isn't the place >> for it. >> >> >> >> On 09/11/2017 00:53, bottige...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Where exactly do you see that I'm selling unusuals? Because I'm not. I >> don't sell anything. >> >> >> >> Hmm really, you want to prove you are blatantly lying again like you did >> on alliedmods with your alt account abrandnewday. >> >> >> >> https://i.imgur.com/nyuMwV0.png >> >> >> >> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=243705 >> >> >> >> https://i.imgur.com/wLOj1oS.png >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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