I'm sure that if the community server contracts were not affiliated with the official ones (or a subset or normals that don't grant econ items were community-server-compatible) were a thing it would make no big impact to the economy at all. If you're afraid about people maxing out their contrackers easily on a community server, then I'll remind you that strange farming servers with fake steam accounts playing are still a thing. In reality Valve needs to settle their mind about econ item abuse, be it attachables, attaching particles et cetera before doing any of this.
2017-11-09 22:29 GMT+01:00 William Bevans <degg...@gmail.com>: > Back to the topic and not the petty drama, I could see Vavle not wanting > to do this due to the fact that we all know that some community's will find > ways to abuse it to get easy contract points. Maybe having Community Server > only contracts will work but even that could be abused. > > On Nov 9, 2017 3:26 PM, "James Haikin" <jfrra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dude >> >> No one caaaaaaaaaaaaaares >> >> Go away >> >> -James >> >> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:20 PM, bottige...@gmail.com < >> bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You could have ignored it. You could have just said "Not true, but it's >>>> not the time and place to discuss it here." >>> >>> >>> I already stated our reasons for ignoring things like this which we have >>> done for many years, and just doesn't work. A weak response like "Not true" >>> and not offering any sort of substantial response is not going to convince >>> anyone either. >>> >>> This is exactly the time and the place to discuss it. What exactly do >>> you accomplish if you let other people slander you in public and you only >>> respond in private??? If you don't refute them in public, then people will >>> just assume they are telling the truth. >>> >>> It is sad that you are all so invested in this idea and terrified that >>> Valve will ignore it that you cannot even tolerate 3 replies that weren't >>> really off-topic. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chris Dunphy <cdunph...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Did I say you don’t have the right to respond? You certainly do. >>>> Respond if you want, but do it literally anywhere else but here. Do not >>>> clog up the mailing list with this nonsense. This list is not for airing >>>> your dirty laundry, which I can assure you absolutely nobody on this list >>>> cares about. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Take it elsewhere.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *bottige...@gmail.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:58 PM >>>> *To: *Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [hlds] Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on >>>> a mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to >>>> fight on a *public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates*. At least >>>> have the decency to be childish in private. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't think we are being childish for defending ourselves. We ignored >>>> things like this before and it has led to many lies being spread about us >>>> that have perpetuated even now like having pay2win or being confused with >>>> saigns. If someone is going to call us out in public, especially someone >>>> that has been slandering us for 7 years, we have a right to respond. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am confused why you are expressing anger towards us when 404 was the >>>> one that derailed this thread in the first place and blames us for being >>>> the reason why Valve can't do this proposal when he is guilty of the thing >>>> he accuses us of. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This was a choice between defending ourselves, or slightly cluttering >>>> up a suggestion that probably has 0 chance of being done since it was >>>> already suggested to Valve many years ago... It was an easy choice to make, >>>> and I would make the same choice again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Chris Dunphy <cdunph...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on >>>> a mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to >>>> fight on a *public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates*. At least >>>> have the decency to be childish in private. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey bottiger? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cares >>>> >>>> >>>> -James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:10 PM, bottige...@gmail.com < >>>> bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This complaint about economics is a red herring that "404 user not >>>> found" was just using to slander us. Valve had no problems enforcing the >>>> economic rules before by making plugin given hats and weapons invisible in >>>> the game. If particles were really such a big deal, they would've made them >>>> invisible already. They already actively enforce economic rules in CS:GO, a >>>> game where community servers are also forced to be inferior to official >>>> ones. If throwing community servers into the browser solved the econ >>>> problem, then why didn't they remove invisible hats and weapons? So the >>>> reality is that Valve still polices the economy regardless of community >>>> servers being ghettoized or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, back when plugin hats were still possible and rampant, we never >>>> used it. So to paint us as some kind of serial anti-valve rule breaker is >>>> simply wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think at this point there is no real solution that Valve is >>>> interested in doing, otherwise they would have done so a lot sooner now >>>> that it has been what, about 3 years since community servers were removed >>>> from quickplay? The idea to have white-listing cost money has been >>>> suggested many times before and while it is a real solution, Valve does not >>>> seem to be interested in this given the inaction. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As I mentioned earlier, the most we could hope for is to have them >>>> throw in a few community-server only contracts. But even if Valve somehow >>>> agreed with the idea, I don't think it would be enough to stop the massive >>>> decline that's going on right now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think at least to stay on topic, there is a matter of the economy >>>> rules Valve set in place, which I've always felt have been very vague when >>>> it comes into really specific cases like this. Ideally speaking, I feel >>>> like if what constitutes as a "valve approved" server would be very bare >>>> bones, but if you want to run setups that one would find questionable is >>>> why you'd have separate servers for that reason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:12 PM, bottige...@gmail.com < >>>> bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You are upset that this thread is going a little off topic but I am >>>> simply defending my community and at the same time refuting his silly >>>> argument that pro-community actions are useless because we abuse Valve's >>>> rules. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We used to let accusations like this go uncontested and it resulted in >>>> having our community being wrongfully mixed up with saigns and other >>>> falsehoods. So we now aggressively fight them before they can spread. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If he wants to stop his 7 year old grudge for being banned for racism >>>> for 1 day and getting mad that we charge people for server benefits instead >>>> of running servers with welfare money like he did, then there wouldn't be >>>> any reason to respond. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am sure that most people here would do the same instead of keeping >>>> quiet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Tohru Adachi <tohruada...@8chan.co> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ...Can we please stop with the drama, both of you? This isn't the place >>>> for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/11/2017 00:53, bottige...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Where exactly do you see that I'm selling unusuals? Because I'm not. I >>>> don't sell anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hmm really, you want to prove you are blatantly lying again like you >>>> did on alliedmods with your alt account abrandnewday. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://i.imgur.com/nyuMwV0.png >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=243705 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://i.imgur.com/wLOj1oS.png >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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