Hum, the only people in other departments which use ISPF are maybe 2 acturials. __maybe__. z/OS is moribund here. Management would trash it today if somebody would come in and do an "even swap" of mainframe+programs (source, jcl, etc) for an MS-Windows based solution (i.e. requires no change to the budget cost for IT). The same with AIX, Sun, and Linux/Intel.
-- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Salt > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Real cost savings (was: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech > operative's blunder led to banking meltdown) > > > From: john.mck...@healthmarkets.com > > Hum, we have 4 programmers here. > > Instead of programmers I should have said ISPF users. This > includes developers, sysprogs, analysts, end-users, DBA's, > help desk (etc). If this still means there's only 4 people at > your company that would use SimpList or IPT then obviously > the savings wouldn't be as high. But, it would still be worth > it. If it costs $50 an hour to employee an ISPF user (which > is a pretty low estimate considering salary and benefits and > premises etc) then a 10% improvement in productivity would > save the company about $10,000 per year per user. Given that > the annual license fee for SimpList is only $8,000 > (regardless of the number of users or number of LPAR's), this > means even a single user would result in savings for the company. > > Dave Salt > > SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! > > http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html > > > > > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0500 > > From: john.mck...@healthmarkets.com > > Subject: Re: Real cost savings (was: 'Inexperienced' RBS > tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown) > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Salt > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:20 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Real cost savings (was: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech > > > operative's blunder led to banking meltdown) > > > > > > If a company has 100 programmers and they cost an average of > > > $50 an hour, and they use a tool like SimpList or IPT to > > > improve their productivity by 10%, they could get rid of 10 > > > programmers or do 10% more work with the same number of > > > programmers. Either way, that's a very REAL cost saving of > > > ONE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. And if a company has 200 > > > programmers they'd have a REAL cost saving of two million > > > dollars a year (and so on). > > > > Hum, we have 4 programmers here. I don't know their real > working hours. But I doubt we could do with less. People do > insist on sleep and vacations. > > > > > > > > Of course they'd have to deduct the cost of licensing the > > > software ($8,000 for SimpList or ? for IPT), but it's still > > > an ENORMOUS annual cost saving. And it's a very REAL cost > > > saving; i.e. one that directly affects the bottom line. On > > > top of that there's all the additional cost savings such as > > > reduced training, reduced CPU, reduced storage, reduced > > > printing, beating competitors to market, and much more (which > > > by itself more than justifies the cost of the tool). > > > > > > The fact that some PHB's can't comprehend this simple math is > > > astonishing. Maybe they could 'save' even more money by > > > getting rid of ISPF and telling all the programmers to use > > > raw TSO? ;-) > > > > > > > Naw, as Marie Antoinette said: "Let them use vi!". You > might be amazed (or disgusted, or sickened) at the stuff that > I do on a z/OS UNIX shell prompt (via ssh, not TSO OMVS). I > won't say more because: (1) I know it wouldn't work, and (2) > last time I did, I got jumped all over for being a contemptible fool. > > > > Or perhaps I could see if the RPF used under MVS by the > Hercules/390 users would work on z/OS 1.12. At one time, I > remember having a 3270 full screen editor called FSE which > worked. And I'd see if there is a Q command for z/OS 1.12 (from CBT). > > > > > Dave Salt > > > > -- > > John McKown > > Systems Engineer IV > > IT > > > > Administrative Services Group > > > > HealthMarkets(r) > > > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. 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