Sandy All areas of the industry are loaded with these so called experts who tarnish the few experts really out there. In my own line of work, I either design or re-engineer large organizations computer use or resolve and put back on track different types of systems which have either failed or are long past any expected delivery dates.
What brings me to this particular forum is a Lyris product based system that pushs out Amber Alert notifications to numerous organizations. Its required to maintain 100k emails an hour outbound as time constraints are obviously important. The system I inherited was putting out about 5k. After numerous resolutions to Lyris product issues, firewalls, switches, smtp mailservers and several other problematic areas in the chain, all the issues here have been resolved. I even use a 2003 enterprise server to do nothing but relay traffic out of the firewalls as W2K can't drive the load. We send to many types of mail servers with no issues, but the only bottleneck left is now down stream in one of the receiving mail servers. The only one that's a problem is an 8.05 Imail system that can't handle and either rejects or takes to long to accept inbound emails or ques them. As the only part of the process that sits outside of our organization or other government agencies is an Imail service vendor who can't get their act together. We will be starting our own formal settup and benchmarking of the capabilities of this product and will then make a decision on it. Until such time that I start this process, I am installing this product on my personal servers to get a preliminary feel for the product. When I come to this and other forums, I expect the replies will be confined to the questions asked about said products, and don't expect to find replies loaded with off-track assumptions and unrelated personal opinions. That's always a poor approach and a waste of my time and everyone elses in this forum. First impression of this Imail product, is it has a decent set of features for such an inexpensive product with a lot of weakness in the controlability and tuneability of the features it does provide. Even simple things such as the way log files are located and managed hurts its performance needlesly. The more the volume goes up, the more serious the questions on performance and viability of this product. Althought for the small to medium shop, this looks like a decent tool on the cheap. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 11:14 PM To: Mike Subject: Re[6]: [IMail Forum] IMAIL services not restarting Mike (I'll do you the honor of spelling your name correctly), > ...one of the so called "larger" service companies who provide Imail > service and have been doing so for many years. Seems these Windows > experts can't keep the system running reliably at all. Alas, there are "experts" in every industry who simply know not how unqualified they are for the title (I interview them all the time); and, of course, there those that do know, but deliberately hide that knowledge. I concede that there are probably more Windows sysadmins, by percentage, who overreport their fitness for duty than there are *nix sysadmins doing the same. However, it is a clumsy leap (and made by many others, not just you) to conclude from this informal data that there is no such thing as a Windows expert, or, even more foolish, to conclude that there is no such thing as a product-specific expert for a Windows product. Whatever your OS preference and experience, you can't change the fact that Windows servers do work uninterrupted in many, many large and small companies, and I pity those who've never met someone who's able to make large Windows installs stay up and humming. The same goes for large IMail installations, many of which I am "maintaining" as I write (actually, I never need to touch 'em, that's the idea). If you're out of the loop of people who really know the OS and/or its apps (and your conduct indicates that you wouldn't mind staying that way), you'll never believe it, but that's your loss. > All these so called Imail experts have not been able support the > services they are well paid for. And your point would be that _you_ are getting a bum deal and therefore IMail itself is broken? That you are, for some reason, still paying people who aren't doing their jobs, so _anyone_ who says they're up to the task must not be? And why didn't you mention before the _real_ issues you are having--apparently much, much bigger than "How do I restrict who can restart services in Windows?"--instead of misdirecting people by nitpicking? What are you trying to hide? Your side of this whole debate is ridiculous: you didn't ask your real questions, so why such anger? Asking a non-question is not a good way to "warm up" a group to your real issues. > This forum is touted by Ipswitch as one of the benefits its user > base has to resolve issues. Yes, it is. This list is peopled by product experts, like us, who design and deploy high-performance, highly stable IMail-based systems. If you don't have personal access to people who know the product, insulting those who voluntarily help on this forum (a cursory look at the archives will show you the breadth of contribution from my end) is not going to get you what you need. > If people like you represent it and have such a difficult time > addressing simplistic issues... I'm still laughing from this one--if you can find anything that shows that I do not _fully_ grasp and have not _fully_ explained the nonexistent nature of your so-called "issue," I'll PayPal you 50 bucks. (Then you can pass it on to your "experts.") --Sandy ------------------------------------ Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release / Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange Addresses into IMail Aliases! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downloa d/release/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
