Chris, one or two OSGi zealots make some noise and you immediately
insinuate that 'the java community is self destructing'?  Don't you
realize that's kinda insulting?

Whatever community you're part of now, if I had your attitude, I'd
fight to the DEATH to keep it niche and trivial, because the moment
you book al little success, you're going to have to move on to the
next thing. Opinions and controversy happen, especially on the
internet, and especially to communities larger than, say, 20 people.
Not everyone is good at dealing with this, but blaming a community for
containing loud-mouths is disingenuous.

NB: In the spirit of Dick's post, I'll refrain from commenting on OSGi
or jigsaw.

On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, Chris Adamson <invalidn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, you guys are the perfect example of the problem.  Just the same
> way that SWT generated more zealots than applications, now we've got
> OSGi advocacy-by-accusation... and still virtually no meaningful apps
> to prove that this stuff is important, viable, or even worth caring
> about.
>
> Just because something is in Eclipse, doesn't mean it is or should be
> everyone else's standard.  Making Eclipse the standard of value for
> the Java community has been a disaster.
>
> I'm not picking a fight... I opted out of the Java world a long time
> ago.  I think it's just sad how you guys are self-destructing.  Java
> could have been so much more.
>
> --Chris
>
> On Jun 27, 9:59 am, Eric Newcomer <enewco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Perfect example of the problem.
>
> > There are no technical arguments for having two Java module systems,
> > so the strategy is to pick a fight and blame the other guys.
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