dsk wrote: >colin wrote: > > >>evry person alive has a belief system. It iis how we itnerect with life. >>Those beliefs are not alwsy 'good' and I and everyone else do comdemn them. >> >>The belief that people of a different race to one's own are infferior. >>The belief that poeple of a different gender are inferior. >>The belief that poeple of a different sexuality are inferior. >>The belief that it is okay to have sex with children. >>The belief that is okay to hit children. >>The belief that people are born wicked and must be saved. >>The belief that God made woman inferior to man . >>The belif that it is okay to indoctinate children into a particular >>religious belief. >>The belief thatis okay to mutilate children in the name or held >>belifs(circumscision of male and female children) >>The belief that those who think differently from us are evil. >> >>I condemn ALL of those beliefs. I don't comdemn the people that hold >>them as I believe all people can change. >> >> > >Colin, > >There are many things being said here and it's hard to sort it all out. > >First of all, the word, "condemn"... as David pointed out, maybe what >you (and others) mean by that is "strong disagreement". > i was thinking about this earlier and anticiapted it might be asked. To me codemn means something is bad or worng. Or rather if I codmen an idea, it is because I think it is wrong and harmful. In other words I make a judgement about ideas. Either my own or those of others.
> I usually take >it as a harsh judgment meaning, "complete dismissal", as in there's >nothing of worth to it, it is wrong in every way. > That is what I mean too. > I can't tell exactly >what you mean when you use that word. > >Secondly, I can't tell if you're talking about individuals or a huge >group of people. In any huge group there will be differences of opinion, >so I'm against assuming that everyone in any group is exactly the same. > We all make judgements abotu people's ideas and if we think those ideas are wrong, we have condemned them. Tho I am talking about ideas that HARM. I am not talking about people's ideas of what is good art or a good good book etc. I can disagree with them but not condemn them. > >And, thirdly, as with everything anyone writes, there is a lot of your >own personal experience in this list, and it's not clear what you >consider to be "objective" > nothing. It is not possible for people to be objective. > and what is part of your own emotional >history. > evrything we ALL are is based upon our persoanl history. That is how people function. We each create emaning form our experience. We don't all create the same emanings, we are all different, our contsrtucts are different, our experinces are different. > I can make some guesses, but I'd rather not. That doesn't mean >I expect or seek any kind of explanation about your specifics, just that >it's important to keep the personal aspect in mind whenever anyone makes >such broad statements as you've made. > this is bordering on being offenisve to me. although I am now not sure what exactly you are writing about. Is it the list of beliefs or the fact I said that we ALL condemn? The first is a list of beliefs I believe to to be harmful, and I condem those beliefs. The second is something all humans do. I have seen you do it lots of times, I ahve done it lots of times, I have seen others do it lots of times. Really, it doesn;'t matter if you agree with my list or not, it wouldn''t change anything. I would never condmen YOU, but I would condemn an idea you held if I felt it to be harmful. > > >Debra Shea
