Hi everyone, Firstly, before I start, please understand that in relation to many who are members of the LUG, I spend much less time on family history and secondly, my area of expertise definitely lies elsewhere. I have not followed this thread fully, but have been delighted to read a couple of recent posts by Elizabeth Shown Mills.
I agree entirely that we should have a standard method of citing sources (at least in theory!). The opening section of Evidence Explained includes some very sound advice which can and should be applied to the areas of research in most disciplines. I know I have mentioned some of the points below before, but would value Elizabeth's input. This is specifically to do with the 'Letter' template, but may well be applicable to other templates. If you fill in the field boxes 'correctly', at the end of the Footnote/Endnote Citation, the information could read: "privately held by Brookes" and the Subsequent Citation could read "Brookes to Brookes, 11 Mar 2008". Apart from the issue that I hate being referred to by my surname, there are many Brookes surnames in my database, therefore the clarity one hopes to achieve by being consistent with sources has straight away been compromised. To override the source citation would mean it would no longer conform to the 'suggested standard format'. I remember reading a light-hearted book, that professed to help people pass exams, where it suggested that in desperation, the writer might even make a statement up and attribute it to, for example, someone like Churchill. By using, just the surname, firstly one is not telling the reader that it is specifically Winston Churchill, and secondly, it would be difficult to prove - because he said so much, nobody would be able to deny that he ever made the remark just attributed to him. Surely a similar vagueness is achieved by just using the surname in our family histories. I know there are occasions when surnames are used as a form of identification/protocol, but my argument is that, while we are questioning the standard way we record sources and how those sources are cited, we ought to question whether this should be acceptable. The way Legacy is set up encourages me to split sources up into very small units. This has implications for the way sources are cited. In Legacy the master source is attached to the individual but the detailed source is copied. This means that any alteration to a master source is done once only, but individuals who are using the same detailed source have to be first of all located, and then altered separately. I know there is a clipboard to help, but, for me, this is sometimes a bit fiddly and occasionally has not worked correctly. As a consequence, I have a census source for each individual address - that way I can easily locate individual living at the same address, by view list, and if necessary make the appropriate alterations. If the software was set up in a different way (i.e. by attaching the same detail sources rather than copying them), I would be more inclined to lump sources together in the way Elizabeth Shone Mills suggests (into year and county, for the U.K). As it is, because of the software I go against what Elizabeth says on pg 259 of 'Evidence Explained', that "Most researchers find that the Source List is not the place to list census entries by household or personal name. That level of detail in a Source List soon makes the list unmanageable." For me, it makes it unmanageable for me to lump households together in Legacy. The implication that a source for a census should be on a year/county 'level' and that a source for a letter (or as it was, for an email) should be on an individual letter 'level' to me seems somewhat unequal. Under these terms, a single source for a census might be shared by a hundred people or more, but a letter might only be a source for one individual. Having each letters or email as an individual source would generate just as much of a problem for some as lots of census sources. We have discussed this many times before on the LUG, but how we use the software has an implication for how our sources are cited. It's easy for me - my database is small and probably always will be, my aim being to find out more detail about how my ancestors lived rather that adding hundreds of names that mean little to me - I would not have the time to research thousands of people in detail (and I know some of you do), but at least I will be able to leave my children a little knowledge about their ancestors and how they lived. If we are to adhere to or to create a standard for citing sources, does it automatically follow that we should adopt a standard method for inputting information into the software which we choose? I we did this the software would automatically generate our citations in the correct and acceptable way, which will presumably allow others to find the information once more. Or perhaps we all get too hung up on these things? After all the number and type of sources we use will change as time goes on, and no doubt the way we cite them. All these thing will always be 'work in progress' and will advent Legacy 8 (now that I've converted all my sources to the new sourcewriter templates) or even "Evidence Explained Again" (Just to give Elizabeth a good title for her next book. :-)) I am unable to stay subscribed all the time (soon to unsubscribe again, while I do my Christmas concerts and services), but when I am here, it is a delight to read peoples posts. Thank you all so much for your input to the LUG. Best wishes David ***************************************************** David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk ***************************************************** *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. 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