Travis Pahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in part:

>On 8/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Could be (both cases), and that would be interesting.  It would
>> >> demonstrate
>> >> the efficacy of political activity -- that it's possible to get into
>> >> positions of trust and then use that trust to produce a lasting
change
>> >> in
>> >> direction.  (It'll take a few more years to see if that's the case
wit>h
>> >> Republicans.)  That would be all the more reason to encourage
>> >> libertarians
>> >> to get involved in conventional politics.
>> 
>> >Can I get an exact number of years you are willing to give them before
>> >you will admit they are not going to get us any closer to a
>> >libertarian ideal?
>> 
>> The answer's probably no, but you'll need to specify what you mean by
>> "they".  Do you mean libertarians in general?  Libertarians involved in
>> conventional politics?  Politics (taken as a plural noun)?  Republicans
i>n
>> general?  The current Republican leadership?  The Republican
rank-and-fil>e?
>
>You said, "It'll take a few more years to see if that's the case with
>Republicans."  I am assuming what you are saying is that it will take
>a few more years to see if they are really just obtaining a position
>of trust and then using it to obtain a more libertarian position.  Is
>this not what you meant?  If yes, they how many more years do you need
>before you will admit this is not the case?
>
>Travis
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