I have put some more examples here, including two supposed Francesco portraits, and a musical example. And some other pictures.
http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/thumb.html ==ajn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: thumb on diapason? > > Le 30 nov. 06 =E0 15:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a > ecrit : > >> Dear Anthony and all, >> >> at the moment I do not (becaused at the moment I am >> playing mainly >> a ten-course instrument) and when I came to the lute >> I tried to >> avoid using the left thumb at all, but: it had worked >> well for me >> on folk and rock guitar (early nineteenth-century >> guitar tutors are >> said to know this technique, too) and I later learned >> that Ganassi >> mentions it. I suspect it works very well in chordal >> accompaniments >> (and possibly in a rendering of "Anji" on the >> six-course lute) but >> I would avoid it when playing Francesco ... > Thank you Joachim > But about Francesco, in the painting postulated by > some to be of him > (by Giulio Campi, 1525, Pinacoteca Civica, Como), > there he is with > his thumb "cocked" in the ready position (see > http://le.luth.free.fr/ > renaissance/index.html, look at collumn 4 line 3). I > think it may > have been argued that this could be a protrait of him > in Lute > Festival 2004 Lectures by Mariagrazia Carlone, > Portraiture of > Sixteenth-Century Lutenists, (see the juxtaposed > comparison between > this and a known portrait at : > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/ > Cleveland2004/Portraits.html#top). > but I may be mistaken, and this may not be his playing > position. > All the best > Anthony >> All best, >> >> Joachim >> >> "Anthony Hind" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> schrieb: >> > Dear All >> > In Lute News N=B079, P.25, we can read that >> > "The January >> 2006 (Vol >> > 24, N=B0 05) issue has a paper on the technique of >> > using the left >> > thumb, over the edge of the neck (seen >> > in some renaissance lute paintings)" and often >> > seen in folk guitar >> > techniques. I suppose the article in question was >> > "All Fingers and >> > Thumbs" by Yehuda Schryer (that I have not read). >> > The Iconography on a web page run by Jean-Marie >> > Poirier shows this >> > clearly (http://le.luth.free.fr/pouce/index.html). >> > Several >> members of >> > the French lute list have suggested that this might >> > only have >> been on >> > relatively narrow-necked 5 to 6 course lutes with a >> > semi-circular >> > section (rather than the later wider flatter >> > necks). It has also >> been >> > suggested that on the lowest courses the diapason >> > and octave would >> > have been very close together, to assist in this >> > "thumb-blocking". >> > >> > It almost seems as though the neck-shape is >> > intended to fit ;in >> to the ; >> > curve of the hand for this technique. >> > However, I would like to ask if any of you actually >> > hold this >> type of >> > lute in this way, and whether you adopt this thumb >> > over diapason >> > technique. >> > Anthony >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > To get on or off this list see list information at >> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Joachim Ludtke >> Fruhlingsstra=DFe 9a >> D - 93164 Laaber >> Tel. +49-+9498 / 905 188 > > > -- >
