Hello all, I don't want to get caught up in the thumb<-->no thumb debate on the 6th course but there is another way out of the fingering dilemna of Arthur's example from Francesco's Ricercar 27 (it also appears in a Paladin' Milenesa Pavana m. 12-13 and probably elsewhere).
First I finger (with the 1st finger already on the F#): 2(3)---- -------- 3(4)---- 2(2)-1(1) -------- 2(2)---- The 2nd finger is a kind of hinge bar that when lifted off the 4th course, the F# is then exposed. I'll confess I haven't tried the wrap-around-thumb but it's not a position I feel comfortable in. Sean On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Arthur Ness wrote: > I have put some more examples here, including two > supposed Francesco portraits, and a musical example. > And some other pictures. > > http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/thumb.html > > ==ajn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net" > <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:19 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: thumb on diapason? > > >> >> Le 30 nov. 06 =E0 15:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a >> ecrit : >> >>> Dear Anthony and all, >>> >>> at the moment I do not (becaused at the moment I am >>> playing mainly >>> a ten-course instrument) and when I came to the lute >>> I tried to >>> avoid using the left thumb at all, but: it had worked >>> well for me >>> on folk and rock guitar (early nineteenth-century >>> guitar tutors are >>> said to know this technique, too) and I later learned >>> that Ganassi >>> mentions it. I suspect it works very well in chordal >>> accompaniments >>> (and possibly in a rendering of "Anji" on the >>> six-course lute) but >>> I would avoid it when playing Francesco ... >> Thank you Joachim >> But about Francesco, in the painting postulated by >> some to be of him >> (by Giulio Campi, 1525, Pinacoteca Civica, Como), >> there he is with >> his thumb "cocked" in the ready position (see >> http://le.luth.free.fr/ >> renaissance/index.html, look at collumn 4 line 3). I >> think it may >> have been argued that this could be a protrait of him >> in Lute >> Festival 2004 Lectures by Mariagrazia Carlone, >> Portraiture of >> Sixteenth-Century Lutenists, (see the juxtaposed >> comparison between >> this and a known portrait at : >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/ >> Cleveland2004/Portraits.html#top). >> but I may be mistaken, and this may not be his playing >> position. >> All the best >> Anthony >>> All best, >>> >>> Joachim >>> >>> "Anthony Hind" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> schrieb: >>>> Dear All >>>> In Lute News N=B079, P.25, we can read that >>>> "The January >>> 2006 (Vol >>>> 24, N=B0 05) issue has a paper on the technique of >>>> using the left >>>> thumb, over the edge of the neck (seen >>>> in some renaissance lute paintings)" and often >>>> seen in folk guitar >>>> techniques. I suppose the article in question was >>>> "All Fingers and >>>> Thumbs" by Yehuda Schryer (that I have not read). >>>> The Iconography on a web page run by Jean-Marie >>>> Poirier shows this >>>> clearly (http://le.luth.free.fr/pouce/index.html). >>>> Several >>> members of >>>> the French lute list have suggested that this might >>>> only have >>> been on >>>> relatively narrow-necked 5 to 6 course lutes with a >>>> semi-circular >>>> section (rather than the later wider flatter >>>> necks). It has also >>> been >>>> suggested that on the lowest courses the diapason >>>> and octave would >>>> have been very close together, to assist in this >>>> "thumb-blocking". >>>> >>>> It almost seems as though the neck-shape is >>>> intended to fit ;in >>> to the ; >>>> curve of the hand for this technique. >>>> However, I would like to ask if any of you actually >>>> hold this >>> type of >>>> lute in this way, and whether you adopt this thumb >>>> over diapason >>>> technique. >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Joachim Ludtke >>> Fruhlingsstra=DFe 9a >>> D - 93164 Laaber >>> Tel. +49-+9498 / 905 188 >> >> >> -- >> > > >
