Dear Arthur, thank you for this striking example. From now on I will try to put my left thumb into action when playing Francesco's music as often as possible, ;) Joachim "Arthur Ness" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I have put some more examples here, including two > supposed Francesco portraits, and a musical example. > And some other pictures. > > http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/thumb.html > > ==ajn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Hind" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net" > <mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:19 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: thumb on diapason? > > > > > > Le 30 nov. 06 =E0 15:52, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] a > > ecrit : > > > >> Dear Anthony and all, > >> > >> at the moment I do not (becaused at the moment I am > >> playing mainly > >> a ten-course instrument) and when I came to the lute > >> I tried to > >> avoid using the left thumb at all, but: it had worked > >> well for me > >> on folk and rock guitar (early nineteenth-century > >> guitar tutors are > >> said to know this technique, too) and I later learned > >> that Ganassi > >> mentions it. I suspect it works very well in chordal > >> accompaniments > >> (and possibly in a rendering of "Anji" on the > >> six-course lute) but > >> I would avoid it when playing Francesco ... > > Thank you Joachim > > But about Francesco, in the painting postulated by > > some to be of him > > (by Giulio Campi, 1525, Pinacoteca Civica, Como), > > there he is with > > his thumb "cocked" in the ready position (see > > http://le.luth.free.fr/ > > renaissance/index.html, look at collumn 4 line 3). I > > think it may > > have been argued that this could be a protrait of him > > in Lute > > Festival 2004 Lectures by Mariagrazia Carlone, > > Portraiture of > > Sixteenth-Century Lutenists, (see the juxtaposed > > comparison between > > this and a known portrait at : > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/ > > Cleveland2004/Portraits.html#top). > > but I may be mistaken, and this may not be his playing > > position. > > All the best > > Anthony > >> All best, > >> > >> Joachim > >> > >> "Anthony Hind" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> schrieb: > >> > Dear All > >> > In Lute News N=B079, P.25, we can read that > >> > "The January > >> 2006 (Vol > >> > 24, N=B0 05) issue has a paper on the technique of > >> > using the left > >> > thumb, over the edge of the neck (seen > >> > in some renaissance lute paintings)" and often > >> > seen in folk guitar > >> > techniques. I suppose the article in question was > >> > "All Fingers and > >> > Thumbs" by Yehuda Schryer (that I have not read). > >> > The Iconography on a web page run by Jean-Marie > >> > Poirier shows this > >> > clearly (http://le.luth.free.fr/pouce/index.html). > >> > Several > >> members of > >> > the French lute list have suggested that this might > >> > only have > >> been on > >> > relatively narrow-necked 5 to 6 course lutes with a > >> > semi-circular > >> > section (rather than the later wider flatter > >> > necks). It has also > >> been > >> > suggested that on the lowest courses the diapason > >> > and octave would > >> > have been very close together, to assist in this > >> > "thumb-blocking". > >> > > >> > It almost seems as though the neck-shape is > >> > intended to fit ;in > >> to the ; > >> > curve of the hand for this technique. > >> > However, I would like to ask if any of you actually > >> > hold this > >> type of > >> > lute in this way, and whether you adopt this thumb > >> > over diapason > >> > technique. > >> > Anthony > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > To get on or off this list see list information at > >> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dr. Joachim Ludtke > >> Fruhlingsstra=DFe 9a > >> D - 93164 Laaber > >> Tel. +49-+9498 / 905 188 > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Frühlingsstraße 9a D - 93164 Laaber Tel. +49-+9498 / 905 188
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