Ever played the Chaconne a Son Gout? (not by PDQ Bach, but should be) -----Original Message----- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Sauvage Valéry Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:58 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
I'm not against guitar and guitar players (as a guitar player myself, on romantic intrument ;-) but I don't understand why play a guitar in form of a lute saying it is a lute, as I find my normal lute "forte" enough in itself, that's all. And after, eveyone makes whatever he wants... V. ----- Original Message ----- From: <terli...@aol.com> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: terli...@aol.com > To: chriswi...@yahoo.com > Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:22 am > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte > > > > > I write at the risk of being gummed to death by a horde of irate > lutenists: > > > I don't know what kind of guitars and guitar playing lutenists here have > been exposed to here but there is a wide variety of types of guitars and > playing styles. Hauser style guitar guitars are very good for playing some > lute music. Smallman type guitars are less good for playing most lute > music. To play lute music decently on guitar takes a certain touch...there > are players that can do it. > The guitar (unamplified) works great great in ensemble playing e.g Boulez: > Le marteau sans maître: Webern op.18, > Takemitsu: Ring for Lute,flute and guitar... > Best, > Mark Delpriora > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chriswi...@yahoo.com > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> > Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:18 pm > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte > > > Valery, > > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote: >> Ok forte, >> we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for >> the one he used). >> So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you >> can play with nails... > > Really? I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really > awful > ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other > classical > guitars or one other instrument/voice. While the signal coming from it > may be > technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed to emphasize > the > lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up by other modern > instruments. This sort of dark timbre can be very effective for a certain > portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really loses its > charm in > other situations. This is why A) it MUST be played with nails B) even > then it > doesn't project particularly well and C) you often hear the instrument > amplified > in even small ensembles. > > If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of > guitar > (unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre > itself, > a la George Crumb)? This is why I haven't used a classical guitar in any > of my > ensemble music for years. A steel-string guitar works very well > unamplified in > a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume limitations at all. > Contemporary composers would find much of interest in these instruments > and > modern classical guitarists would be well advised to think of them as > alternate > versions of their instrument. Unfortunately, classical players often > perceive > them as some kind of threat from outside the "official" guitar world. > > I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos. The emphasis of > higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well. > Play > close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time. I've been > thinking > of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar. Maybe now's the time to > investigate the project. > > Chris > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wolfgang wiehe" <wie-w...@gmx.de> >> To: <terli...@aol.com>; >> <r.turov...@verizon.net>; >> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >> >> >> >> I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on >> "Burg >> Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-) >> Greetings >> W. >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >> [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] >> Im >> Auftrag von terli...@aol.com >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41 >> An: r.turov...@verizon.net; >> lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >> >> >> OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar >> repertoire! >> . and is happy with finger nails. >> >> >> Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto >> forte hat >> occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago? >> >> >> I missed it. >> >> >> Mark Delpriora >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net> >> To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >> >> >> It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by >> Andre Burguete, >> that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the >> volume of the >> guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and >> has some >> interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and >> soundboard >> construction. >> Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the >> sound >> (negligibly). >> This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET. >> But one really misses the overtone palette of double >> strings. >> It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is >> sick of the >> guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his >> nails. >> >> http://www.liuto-forte.com/ >> There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver >> Holzenburg, Luciano >> Contini et al. >> RT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Winheld" >> <dwinh...@comcast.net> >> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte >> >> > Alright, I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto >> Forte? (I must have >> > been out of the office for this one) >> > thanks, Dan >> > -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > To get on or off this list see list information at >> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- >
