Ever played the Chaconne a Son Gout?
(not by PDQ Bach, but should be)

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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Sauvage Valéry
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:58 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

I'm not against guitar and guitar players (as a guitar player myself, on 
romantic intrument ;-) but I don't understand why play a guitar in form of a

lute saying it is a lute, as I find my normal lute "forte" enough in itself,

that's all. And after, eveyone makes whatever he wants...
V.

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From: <terli...@aol.com>
To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte


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> From: terli...@aol.com
> To: chriswi...@yahoo.com
> Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:22 am
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
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> I write at the risk of being gummed to death by a horde of irate 
> lutenists:
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> I don't know what kind of guitars and guitar playing lutenists here have 
> been exposed to here but there is a wide variety of types of guitars and 
> playing styles. Hauser style guitar guitars are very good for playing some

> lute music. Smallman type guitars are less good for playing most lute 
> music. To play lute music decently on guitar takes a certain touch...there

> are players that can do it.
> The guitar (unamplified) works great great in ensemble playing e.g Boulez:

> Le marteau sans maître: Webern op.18,
> Takemitsu: Ring for Lute,flute and guitar...
> Best,
> Mark Delpriora
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: chriswi...@yahoo.com
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:18 pm
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
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> Valery,
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> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sauvage Valéry <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote:
>> Ok forte,
>> we can hear it, but sounds like a guitar (single strung for
>> the one he used).
>> So why not play the guitar ? modern and loud instrument you
>> can play with nails...
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> Really?  I've found the modern classical guitar to be a really, really 
> awful
> ensemble instrument when dealing with anything else other than other 
> classical
> guitars or one other instrument/voice.  While the signal coming from it 
> may be
> technically louder than most types of lutes, it is designed to emphasize 
> the
> lower partials so that the sound is literally swallowed up by other modern
> instruments.  This sort of dark timbre can be very effective for a certain
> portion (but not all) of the solo repertoire, but it really loses its 
> charm in
> other situations.  This is why A) it MUST be played with nails B) even 
> then it
> doesn't project particularly well and C) you often hear the instrument 
> amplified
> in even small ensembles.
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> If you're going to amplify it, what's the point of using that type of 
> guitar
> (unless you want to make the amplification part of the effect and timbre 
> itself,
> a la George Crumb)?  This is why I haven't used a classical guitar in any 
> of my
> ensemble music for years.  A steel-string guitar works very well 
> unamplified in
> a small ensemble and the electric guitar has no volume limitations at all.
> Contemporary composers would find much of interest in these instruments 
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> modern classical guitarists would be well advised to think of them as 
> alternate
> versions of their instrument. Unfortunately, classical players often 
> perceive
> them as some kind of threat from outside the "official" guitar world.
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> I haven't found this same problem with lutes or theorbos.  The emphasis of
> higher partials means that the sound on both can cut through quite well. 
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> close to the bridge and you can be heard most of the time.  I've been 
> thinking
> of writing a duo for lute and modern guitar.  Maybe now's the time to
> investigate the project.
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> Chris
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wolfgang wiehe" <wie-w...@gmx.de>
>> To: <terli...@aol.com>;
>> <r.turov...@verizon.net>;
>> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:05 PM
>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
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>> I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on
>> "Burg
>> Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-)
>> Greetings
>> W.
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>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>> [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
>> Im
>> Auftrag von terli...@aol.com
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 19:41
>> An: r.turov...@verizon.net;
>> lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
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>> OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar
>> repertoire!
>> . and is happy with finger nails.
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>> Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto
>> forte hat
>> occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago?
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>> I missed it.
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>> Mark Delpriora
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net>
>> To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am
>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
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>> It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by
>> Andre Burguete,
>> that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the
>> volume of the
>> guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and
>> has some
>> interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and
>> soundboard
>> construction.
>> Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the
>> sound
>> (negligibly).
>> This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET.
>> But one really misses the overtone palette of double
>> strings.
>> It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is
>> sick of the
>> guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his
>> nails.
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>> http://www.liuto-forte.com/
>> There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver
>> Holzenburg, Luciano
>> Contini et al.
>> RT
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Winheld"
>> <dwinh...@comcast.net>
>> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM
>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte
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>> > Alright,  I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto
>> Forte? (I must have
>> > been out of the office for this one)
>> > thanks,  Dan
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