I believe that both RIck and Gar think that the elements of --- what Gar
calls a "pluralist commonwealth" and what RIck calls "democracy at work"
will grow and be BETTER than the capitalist mode of production ---

The POLITICAL STRUGGLE (now this is only "me" talking) probably would
involve efforts by the capitalists to create rules that STYMIE the growth
of the "new mode of production"  -----

But of course I am speculating on how a transition to the new mode would
actually come about ---

I think the value of what RIck and Gar are doing is that it creates a
vision --- back in the 1930s, communist parties believed Soviet central
planning and collectivized agriculture were the wave of the future.  BOY
WERE THEY WRONG ---

The idea that slow nationalization of the means of production (as in the
British Labour Party approach after 1945e) was the way to go proved a false
illusion ---

So that's why I am impressed with "this" vision as presented in detail by
Gar and Rick and in outline by me.

[not sure what role would be for the (competing) DSA vision(s) --- and I am
no real expert on DSA!]

On Sun, Nov 23, 2025 at 7:39 PM hari kumar via groups.io <hari6.kumar=
[email protected]> wrote:

> Sincerely thanks Michael (*and Alan for the link*).
>
> Michael:
> What I do not see is *how this is achieved?*
> Can you tell us your view - does it require a seizure of power, and does
> that require force?
> What role does the DSA vision have in this?
> Be well, H
>
> _
>
>


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