hi,
> g
> > so can we avoid such damaging rollercoaster rides? or
> am i sensing you
> think these rides, war and depression included, are good
> and necessary?
> >
> > i would like us to evolve past war, greed, depression,
> the rape of the
> natural world.
> >
> > evolution......what do you think about evolution mel?
>
> m
> The roller coaster rides are symptoms of the way
> SQ is 'broken' by DQ. DQ builds a solid foundation
> on imaginary ground and SQ quakes the 'real' gound
> and bursts the incorrectly conceived foundation.
g: i think you have mixed up the two but i see your analogy.
>m
> It is not that cycles are 'good' or
> 'necessary'
> they are unavoidable. To dream of a state with all wave
> tops and no wave troughs, all high points and no low is
> a beautiful dream. But in their effects, the acts of
> war, greed, depression, rape, as ugly as they may be
> just are a part of the 'forces of evolution.'
g: now this is just plain bullshit. dangerous bullshit. it is not about 'wave
tops', it is about equilibrium, dynamic balance, sustainability, something the
australian aboriginals had for over 100 000 years.
dismissing genocide and ecocide as unavoidable is to be morally vacuous (and i
am being very polite here)
>m
> Evolution? I think it clear that cycles and variation,
> unexpected and impossible to conceive, are hall marks of
> the very forces that cause change and response that
> we include under the ever unfolding model we have of
> evolution.
g: you haven't actually said anything in this paragraph. you would make an
excellent political scriptwriter (half-joking).
>m
> Evolution, like Gravity, is only a theory that we use to
> explain the behaviors we see in the universe, but I can
> conceive no other theories that have added so much to
> human understanding.
> Neither theory is sufficient and
> no doubt our grandchildren many greats removed will
> notice how much superstition we wove into our science
> without even noticing. Like we read of Greeks who
> made fine elegant proofs and then went out their front
> door and paid someone to read goat entrails.
g:divination is ubiquitous in a divine reality...most of us don't see the signs
though. your hubris is becoming more and more evident...ironic eh?
>m
> Theories will always stand as less than the actual,
> much as first order infinities (of integers) are
> exceeded by second order infinities. (of real numbers)
> as Turing showed the inherent limit of modeling in
> algorythms.
> Our theory of Evo is right, that is it vectors in the
> proper
> direction, but it will always be short of fact.
g:which theory of evolution? vitalistic or nihilistic? european or
american/english? dawkins or bergson?
the neo-darwinian theory of evolution is about as useful as a phil collins
record at a bucks party. the maths don't add up. random mutation provides the
raw material for natural selection to act upon....?! yeah that explains it.
scientists, they crack me up.
> Our theory
> of
> evolution is an accreting ever more static quality attempt
> to capture an understanding of an ever Dynamic Quality
> system. But at some point in an asymtotic approach we
> will get 'close enough' to consider it a
> 'rule-of-thumb-fact.'
g: your explications are doing my head in girl.
evolution is happening now (it can't happen at any other time now can it?), we
are evolving, along with everything else. but from where are we evolving and to
where are we evolving? that is where the MOQ comes into its own i think.
we can choose to take responsibility for ourselves and the world or we can
abdicate that resonsibility, citing any number of pseudo-scientific excuses
('human nature' for a super-banal example).
if we choose to take responsibility for ourselves and the world then we are
conscious agents of evolution. as goethe said, when we make this decision it is
then that providence begins to act with us.
cheers
gav
>
> thanks--mel
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