@Adam, > If that is not a word smithed sentence to twist out some truth. > I'll call a spade a spade here, Adobe may not tell a conference they can not > have a certain sponsor but Adobe certainly can and DOES let conferences know > they will withhold funds if other sponsors are accepted.
As far as word-smithing goes, you've really decided to focus on the smallest part of our exchange. Since Adobe is not currently signed on to sponsor cf.objective, I thought it was inappropriate for Adobe to make any recommendations and declines to do so. I thought that point was very clear, so I can only assume you are tying to make the public the real disposition of the conversation. Adobe is considering not sponsoring cf.objective at all. Last year the CF team sponsored 20+ events in 2009 that didn't exist the year prior. Due to the demands of the community, all of these events were targeted at developer _acquisition_. While I love cf.objective and the team that puts it on (which includes help from my wife), it does not introduce CFML/ColdFusion to new developers. Due to tighter budgets, we can no longer just sponsor every event automatically. >So if you 2, Adam and Vince, could go ahead and shut up and take your >pissing match elsewhere I think we all would be better off. Done. You'll hear nothing further from me on the topic. But I think Vince and I are unfairly being blamed as the source of the problem and our emails/posts are just a result. There is a strong anti-Adobe sentiment coming from the OpenBD community that is fueled by it's leaders. Sensationalist claims like this only add flames to the fire. In the short-term, this might attract the dissatisfied to OpenBD, but ultimately it's just building walls that splinter our already small community. -Adam On Nov 24, 6:42 pm, Adam Haskell <[email protected]> wrote: > Now that the official stuff is out of the way time for my own personal > interjection... > > Adam, you've done a very good job steering ColdFusion in a healthy > direction. You've listened to the community and made some rough decision; > all the while in a rough economical climate ColdFusion continues to be a > source of revenue for Adobe and a large amount of that is thanks to you, and > your team. You do have some growing up to do and coming onto this list or > any others and spewing garbage is just not becoming of someone in your > position. "Adobe does not tell conference providers who can and can not > sponsor." If that is not a word smithed sentence to twist out some truth. > I'll call a spade a spade here, Adobe may not tell a conference they can not > have a certain sponsor but Adobe certainly can and DOES let conferences know > they will withhold funds if other sponsors are accepted. Don't get me wrong > I am not bitter that Adobe does this, it is sound business and makes sense. > I AM bitter that you, Adam, chose to word smith your way into a misleading > truth. > > Vince, I appreciate all the contributions you have made to the engine, you > are a Key player in the GAE but once again you've managed to put out a > message that begs for negativity. You seriously need to work on that. I know > there is bitterness and annimocity towards individuals and I undersatand but > seriously tone it down and be less confrontational with your message. If not > for the sake of your company for the sake of the Steering Committee, rightly > so or not your comments are reflected on the Steering Committee so please > watch how you deliver your messages. > > So if you 2, Adam and Vince, could go ahead and shut up and take your > pissing match elsewhere I think we all would be better off. > > Adam > > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Adrock <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here is another view: > > > - Adobe does not tell conference providers who can and can not > > sponsor. > > > - New Atlanta is not viewed as a threat to Adobe. > > > - I personally want OpenBD to be successful and tried my best to show > > the community that two open source CFML engines can coexist. However, > > Vince detracted that point by commenting: > > > "'the incredible amount of work people are putting into the (OpenBD) > > project for _zero_ financial gain' is being done primarily by New > > Atlanta employees who are being paid to work on OpenBD." > > > Drawing a direct and active connection between New Atlanta and OpenBD > > (not to mention writing off the donated work done by community). > > > - Based on our estimates, Railo has experienced more recent commercial > > success than New Atlanta. However, even when combined with New > > Atlanta, the impact is not great enough to warrant any concern over > > lost business. Adobe remains focused on developer acquisition from > > external communities (which is what our community demands). > > > - As you can see from Vince's post there is still much animosity from > > New Atlanta towards Adobe. If the relations between Railo and Adobe > > are more positive, then I can only point to the personalities > > involved. > > > In general, New Atlanta needs to stop blaming Adobe for everything > > that ills it. If a ColdFusion conference rejects a sponsor who offers > > "migration solutions from ColdFusion applications to ASP.NET", maybe > > it's because they don't want to help that cause, not because of some > > sinister Adobe plot. > > > -Adam > > ColdFusion Product Manager at Adobe > > > On Nov 13, 3:26 pm, Vince Bonfanti <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Here's one view: > > > > - Adobe considers New Atlanta to be a threat to their ColdFusion > > business > > > due to the commercial success of BlueDragon (especially BD.NET, and > > due > > > to high-profile customer wins such as MySpace). > > > - Adobe associates OpenBD with New Atlanta, and therefore does not > > want > > > OpenBD to be successful. > > > - Adobe does not consider Railo to be a threat because they have not > > yet > > > had any real commercial success (at least not on the same scale as New > > > Atlanta and BlueDragon). > > > - Adobe wants to use Railo as a counter-weight to diminish the > > influence > > > of OpenBD (and--in their minds--New Atlanta). > > > > There's already been some anti-Railo rhetoric from Adobe--it's fairly > > > predictable what will happen if they ever start to view Railo as a threat > > to > > > their ColdFusion business. I've heard through the grapevine that Adobe > > has > > > already threatened third-party vendors who make their products compatible > > > with Railo. > > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Jason King <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > That's not cool. I wonder why Railo but not OpenBD? > > > -- > > Open BlueDragon Public Mailing List > > http://www.openbluedragon.org/ http://twitter.com/OpenBlueDragon > > mailing list -http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en > > > !! save a network - please trim replies before posting !! -- Open BlueDragon Public Mailing List http://www.openbluedragon.org/ http://twitter.com/OpenBlueDragon mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en !! save a network - please trim replies before posting !!
