Adobe pulling their sponsorship is a bluff. They get as much or more from the conferences as the conferences get from Adobe. The main reason people go are the quality speakers - and most of the top dogs, from Corfield/Gert to everyone on OpenBD and the ton of non-affiliated speakers - would still attend and give great talks. And the vast majority of the talks would still be CF related, as that's what most people use.
Adobe targets big corps. How confident do you think they will be investing in Coldfusion if the keynotes of the last major conferences were presented by OpenBD and Railo because Adobe was too big a baby to show up? What avenues will Adobe use to spread it's message and direction if not these highly influential conferences? What about all the cross-promotion Adobe does with Flex/Flash at all these conferences? Is Adobe willing to give all that up because one guy doesn't like another? Absolutely not. Adobe is run by very intelligent people, focused on success, and they are fully aware of all these points and more. The conferences need realize this, and they have to stand their ground. A cfml conference that talks more about Flash than OpenBD is just plain dumb. Whether you like it or not OpenBD has a presence - it's only the users that are hurt when a conference sells out to the highest bidder. I have no affiliation with any of the engines. I'm a big fan of Adobe actually, as well as Railo, and I absolutely love OpenBD-GAE (aka "the future" :P). This infighting is just so painful to watch because it creates casualties on all sides with no real winners. Can't we all just get along... Baz On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Adam Haskell <[email protected]> wrote: > Now that the official stuff is out of the way time for my own personal > interjection... > > Adam, you've done a very good job steering ColdFusion in a healthy > direction. You've listened to the community and made some rough decision; > all the while in a rough economical climate ColdFusion continues to be a > source of revenue for Adobe and a large amount of that is thanks to you, and > your team. You do have some growing up to do and coming onto this list or > any others and spewing garbage is just not becoming of someone in your > position. "Adobe does not tell conference providers who can and can not > sponsor." If that is not a word smithed sentence to twist out some truth. > I'll call a spade a spade here, Adobe may not tell a conference they can not > have a certain sponsor but Adobe certainly can and DOES let conferences know > they will withhold funds if other sponsors are accepted. Don't get me wrong > I am not bitter that Adobe does this, it is sound business and makes sense. > I AM bitter that you, Adam, chose to word smith your way into a misleading > truth. > > Vince, I appreciate all the contributions you have made to the engine, you > are a Key player in the GAE but once again you've managed to put out a > message that begs for negativity. You seriously need to work on that. I know > there is bitterness and annimocity towards individuals and I undersatand but > seriously tone it down and be less confrontational with your message. If not > for the sake of your company for the sake of the Steering Committee, rightly > so or not your comments are reflected on the Steering Committee so please > watch how you deliver your messages. > > So if you 2, Adam and Vince, could go ahead and shut up and take your > pissing match elsewhere I think we all would be better off. > > > Adam > > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Adrock <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Here is another view: >> >> - Adobe does not tell conference providers who can and can not >> sponsor. >> >> - New Atlanta is not viewed as a threat to Adobe. >> >> - I personally want OpenBD to be successful and tried my best to show >> the community that two open source CFML engines can coexist. However, >> Vince detracted that point by commenting: >> >> "'the incredible amount of work people are putting into the (OpenBD) >> project for _zero_ financial gain' is being done primarily by New >> Atlanta employees who are being paid to work on OpenBD." >> >> Drawing a direct and active connection between New Atlanta and OpenBD >> (not to mention writing off the donated work done by community). >> >> - Based on our estimates, Railo has experienced more recent commercial >> success than New Atlanta. However, even when combined with New >> Atlanta, the impact is not great enough to warrant any concern over >> lost business. Adobe remains focused on developer acquisition from >> external communities (which is what our community demands). >> >> - As you can see from Vince's post there is still much animosity from >> New Atlanta towards Adobe. If the relations between Railo and Adobe >> are more positive, then I can only point to the personalities >> involved. >> >> In general, New Atlanta needs to stop blaming Adobe for everything >> that ills it. If a ColdFusion conference rejects a sponsor who offers >> "migration solutions from ColdFusion applications to ASP.NET", maybe >> it's because they don't want to help that cause, not because of some >> sinister Adobe plot. >> >> -Adam >> ColdFusion Product Manager at Adobe >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 13, 3:26 pm, Vince Bonfanti <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Here's one view: >> > >> > - Adobe considers New Atlanta to be a threat to their ColdFusion >> business >> > due to the commercial success of BlueDragon (especially BD.NET, and >> due >> > to high-profile customer wins such as MySpace). >> > - Adobe associates OpenBD with New Atlanta, and therefore does not >> want >> > OpenBD to be successful. >> > - Adobe does not consider Railo to be a threat because they have not >> yet >> > had any real commercial success (at least not on the same scale as >> New >> > Atlanta and BlueDragon). >> > - Adobe wants to use Railo as a counter-weight to diminish the >> influence >> > of OpenBD (and--in their minds--New Atlanta). >> > >> > There's already been some anti-Railo rhetoric from Adobe--it's fairly >> > predictable what will happen if they ever start to view Railo as a >> threat to >> > their ColdFusion business. I've heard through the grapevine that Adobe >> has >> > already threatened third-party vendors who make their products >> compatible >> > with Railo. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Jason King <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > That's not cool. 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