On 11/08/2009, at 7:27 PM, Anon Y Mous wrote:
Sun currently has big customers like Joyent.com already using SXCE
in production with massive success. I have only heard of one person
ever using OpenSolaris Indiana 2008.05 in production, and that was
Don McAskill of smugmug.com:
http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/10/10/success-with-opensolaris-zfs-mysql-in-production/
and he only uses it on one of his less important servers as a
"backup" kind of thing. He hasn't gone full tilt and replaced all
his Linux servers with Indiana 2008.05
I honestly made attempts at using both 2008.05 and 2008.11 as
minimal headless server setups in production, but stripping all the
desktop features out of the OS was such a pain. IPS was also
sooooooo slow and so unreliable (the Sun IPS servers would become
inaccessible and I couldn't deploy new zones). Basically, it was a
nightmare. Compare this to SXCE and Solaris 10 which are probably
the greatest server operating systems ever to exist in the history
of time and space.
I agree that minimalizing the system is much harder than it should be
- essentially this is waiting for some of the pre-requisites in IPS to
land before we start implementing a complete package renaming and
refactoring. Very much hoping this can land in time for 2010.02. There
was an issue with the IPS repos over the course of a holiday weekend
in the US. Mirroring technology is ready, so community members could
volunteer to run an IPS mirror. It's a bug that creating a zone
requires an active network connection, we hope to solve that real soon.
I talked to some people who worked at 3 letter named government
agencies a while ago and they absolutely raved about Solaris Express
and hated Indiana. Same response from some of the Oracle on Solaris
DBA's I talked to- love for SXCE, but they didn't like Indiana. Do
you want all these Oracle DBA's and government agencies to
ultimately move off of Solaris onto another OS?
Absolutely not - we want them to provide feedback instead. We're
always listening ;)
Now I for one, love things like Indiana and Nexenta because I come
from a Linux background and I'm used to the GNU tool chain. But I
don't see why we can't have both Indiana and Solaris Express because
Indiana and SXCE are the really the same thing, just in different
wrapping paper.
True, but you're essentially providing a choice for developers working
on OpenSolaris, and causing you to test on 2 entirely separate
platforms. There's a cost in that - confusion of message/direction/
strategy (and we've been down that path before), and inability to keep
both platforms stable.
Red Hat can manage to keep both Fedora and RHEL going at the same
time, so why can't we have SXCE and Indiana at the same time?
Yes, but in this case they are exactly the *same* thing - they use the
same package management infrastructure and same binary packages. You
cannot say the same for SXCE and OpenSolaris.
Glynn
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