Raja, good points. The keyword from your post is "skilled apprenticeship". Other professions practice this, Accountants, Lawyers, doctors but not IT!
A guy that just got is Acct Degree doesn't get to be a CFO or manage a multi-million project, a fresh pilot doesnt get to be captain, he flies as a co-pilot first.. but iike you say, a fresh IT grad gets to be a PM! Only in boleh-land! Maybe there should be some guidelines about apprenticeships... maybe OSDC should start offerring consultancy to HR depts, on how to hire IT personel... Commenting on yr hiring objectives, "it is not the technical skills that i look for. it is their pre-disposition to acquire and adapt technical skills.." its not wrong, but don't you/we think it reflects sadly on our training intituitions? We SHOULD BE hiring for technical skills! If I'm a owner of a data-centre, I want to be able to hire a cloud-computing expert.... but alas, our Edu system can't produce any of them. So I hire some person whom I think has a right aptitude and train them on the job! Don't you/anybody think this is the wrong picture!! On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: > when interviewing fresh graduates i use these : > > academic - as a measure of discipline, those with 3.5 cgpa grades tend to be > more dateline and time concious > project work - as a measure of independent research on the topic (esp > literature review) > blogs, forums, etc - as a measure of communicating with peers > 3 years' ambition - as a measure of dedication > > it is not the technical skills that i look for. it is their pre-disposition > to acquire and adapt technical skills > red1, has some pretty weird criteria, like "carrying the sifu's bag".. > hahaha... i would love to have some of those too > by the way, training for rhce in india is only rm600, compared to rm3000 in > malaysia. exam fees are the same. some of my friends from india say it is > cheaper to get certification than to get a car driving license (small bits > of info that dont get published). also in india, there is still the culture > of skilled apprenticeship, whereas kat malaysia boleh land, economics > graduate pun boleh jadi multi-million ringgit ict project director (lepas tu > project director sakit jantung sebab the pmp certified project manager tak > buat project management, instead sibuk buat functional .... giler....) > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 2:58 AM, red1 <r...@red1.org> wrote: >> >> btw Boh, how did u know it involved an Exocet? You are on the watchlist >> now my friend :) >> Ok back to the log book argument. Why not go back to our own best >> practice? Show me your code. No, not from your notebook. From SourceForge >> template or other repository and there we can examine trackers and their log >> entries to see if they follow the discipline or not. >> I learnt alot while working on the ADempiere project using SourceForge. >> Stuff such as FR, Bug trackers, auto numbering; atomic mapping of each >> tracker to each bug fix and commit; describing how to replicate the bug, and >> which Bug tracker number refers to which commit revision. Just an idea on >> how to be lazy fruitfully. >> On 4/3/11 2:19 AM, Boh Yap wrote: >>> >>> ah, good discussion, logbook vs exams, lets carry on... >>> These are 2 different paradigms, >>> > From the employee POV: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ > > -- > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information > > MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/ > -- #------- regds, Boh Heong, Yap -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011 and http://portal.mosc.my/
