On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:58:51AM -0700, Dr. Yasha Karant wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:06:11AM -0500, Jos? Enrique Alvarez Estrada wrote: > > > --- Joaquim Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi?: > [snip] > > > What's my opinion? > > > a) It's necessary to convert the traditional Computer > > > Science's School into a "Software Fabric", like the > > > Capability Maturity Model says, where student's may > > > occupy all the "roles" and the professors becomes the > > > project leaders. > > > What's your opinion about that? > > > > Why should professers be the leaders of the actual project? I think > > it's good for students to learn how to manage a project. The professor > > should guide him with that. > > > > AFAIK GNU wants to work with the academic world to make free software > > better than it already is, did you already contact somebody from the > > FSF about this? > > > [snip] > > I do not care if the person who is "leading" a project be a professor, > a PostDoc, a Grad Student, an undergrad, or a 5 year old. I do care that > the person understands the basic computer science involved (and not > just as a technician/programmer/coder but as a computer scientist or > informatician depending whether the discipline is Computer Science or > Informatics in the region in which the work is being done -- naming > nomenclature only). I know colleagues who are outstanding computer > science theoreticians, and whom I would not let near a real software > engineering project.
IMHO somebody should also have another skill: the leader should be able to discuss things in a good way so other people can convine the person if he/she is wrong. > As to whether or not Plex86 or any other effort formally obeys the GNU > FSF development/implementation standards/guidelines set, I could care less. > The GNU FSF has one set, the old CSRG had another set, and there are others. > However, there needs to be *SOME* set. As for being under FSF, that > merely was a possible suggestion to get Plex86 "competitive" with VMWare. I like the GNU standards, they are quite nice and used in a lot of project related to plex86. (Like gcc, glibc, etc.) > However, using any production project (Plex86 is such a project, as is > the GNU compiler suite) as a straight-out learning tool for students > is not wise. Students will learn by being involved. Nonetheless, the > person(s) "leading" the effort must not be "learners" or "amateurs". > They may indeed be students and/or amateurs by any legal definition; > functionally, they must be experienced professionals. I agree. > That > was one of the major shortcomings of Linux versus BSD -- Linux started > as a very amateur effort, whereas BSD from the beginning was done by > professionals. I totally agree with that, why do you think I participate in Hurd development? The Hurd is clearly started very professional and is still very professional, I hope we get to see the advantages of that soon. > Free software? Open source? A discussion for another time. "Use > the Source, Luke." I just try to advocate free software. :) Jeroen Dekkers -- Jabber supporter - http://www.jabber.org Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU supporter - http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org IRC: jeroen@openprojects
