*Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* ** *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of others, such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* ** *Suicide is caused by many factors.*
*Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: > > *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] > 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. > > By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." If > someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that individual > would be guilty of murder. > > Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If not, you > are jousting at windmills. > > > On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* > > On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life >> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both >> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do >> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It >> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to >> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason) >> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>> ** >>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>> >>> *No man is an island* >>> >>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>> because I am involved in mankind. >>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>> >>> -John Donne >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>>> >>>> >>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing could >>>> "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ?? >>>> >>>> >>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in >>>> EVERY walk of life. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is >>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>>>> >>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered by >>>>> homophobia in America.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the images >>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not.... >>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >>>>>> nominal9 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you >>>>>> know ?? >>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >>>>>> > * >>>>>> > * >>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that >>>>>> they find >>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first >>>>>> rather than >>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >>>>>> > > ** >>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the >>>>>> internet by >>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a >>>>>> societal >>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a >>>>>> gay guy then >>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed >>>>>> him should >>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took >>>>>> his own life >>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than >>>>>> homophobia, >>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think >>>>>> it does and >>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine >>>>>> if it was >>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does not >>>>>> get a job >>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that >>>>>> someone better >>>>>> > >> applied also. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if he >>>>>> had >>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly >>>>>> filmed the >>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >>>>>> > >> * >>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame, >>>>>> ridicule, >>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> Tommy, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and >>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take his >>>>>> own >>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and love >>>>>> of >>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President >>>>>> Obama and >>>>>> > >>> Congress >>>>>> > >>> > * >>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, >>>>>> to amend >>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and >>>>>> gender >>>>>> > >>> identity.* >>>>>> > >>> > ** >>>>>> > >>> > < >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New >>>>>> York >>>>>> > >>> after his >>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on >>>>>> the >>>>>> > >>> internet >>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have >>>>>> killed >>>>>> > >>> themselves >>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, NY >>>>>> and >>>>>> > >>> really >>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>>>>> > >>> > ... >>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia, >>>>>> school >>>>>> > >>> bullying >>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide >>>>>> letters. *** >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the >>>>>> young man >>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man >>>>>> was >>>>>> > >>> posted on >>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students >>>>>> accused of >>>>>> > >>> this >>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be >>>>>> doing a >>>>>> > >>> grave >>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this >>>>>> country >>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times >>>>>> greater risk >>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their >>>>>> private >>>>>> > >>> sexual >>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it >>>>>> seems >>>>>> > >>> unlikely >>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this >>>>>> had been a >>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not >>>>>> likely >>>>>> > >>> experience >>>>>> > >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt. >>>>>> > >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held >>>>>> accountable for >>>>>> > >>> their >>>>>> > >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility for >>>>>> creating >>>>>> > >>> an >>>>>> > >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This >>>>>> country has >>>>>> > >>> come a >>>>>> > >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few >>>>>> decades, but >>>>>> > >>> we >>>>>> > >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face >>>>>> bullying and >>>>>> > >>> abuse >>>>>> > >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family and >>>>>> friends; >>>>>> > >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; >>>>>> and >>>>>> > >>> isolation >>>>>> > >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay >>>>>> violence in >>>>>> > >>> public >>>>>> > >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of 'coming >>>>>> out' can >>>>>> > >>> be >>>>>> > >>> > fatal. >>>>>> > >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be >>>>>> more cases >>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>> > >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, >>>>>> but not >>>>>> > >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make sure >>>>>> that >>>>>> > >>> young gay >>>>>> > >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and fear >>>>>> never >>>>>> > >>> again >>>>>> > >>> > result in death. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> -- >>>>>> > >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> > >>> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> * Visit our other community >>>>>> > >>> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> > >>> * It's active and moderated. 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