Oh, but they are weaknesses....... show me ONE that is a strength or that makes you NORMAL. It is a weakness in fact and by definition.
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > *No Mark. You are misinformed.* > ** > *Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental illness.* > ** > *Ilnesses are not weaknesses. > * > > On 10/4/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >> condition... it's "social", too.**** >> >> Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not effected by >> ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you want protected >> because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or special >> treatment by anyone unless you inform them all. >> >> Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing something that >> he found so personally, morally or socially repugnant/unacceptable... for >> whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem. >> >> As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys suicide >> (read the definition). >> >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >>> condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide victim was >>> doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, apparently) >>> by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of the >>> act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his knowledge or >>> consent, against his will) anfd then having those video-recordings >>> broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of "psychology" >>> the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed the >>> act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) >>> first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own act of >>> suicide. >>> >>> ROOM-MATE >>> I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can live >>> C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... >>> I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want them >>> dead >>> >>> VICTIM >>> love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide >>> C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... >>> love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live >>> >>> ROOM-MATE >>> Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy >>> C(BAD)....R(BAD).... >>> Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame >>> >>> VICTIM >>> hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live >>> C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... >>> hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide >>> >>> Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE took >>> on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act that >>> was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" him >>> to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of >>> someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly that) >>> and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... personally, my >>> moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should have >>> killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Tommy, No. >>> > >>> > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to >>> person >>> > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only those >>> with >>> > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* >>> > > ** >>> > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of >>> others, >>> > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* >>> > > ** >>> > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* >>> > >>> > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* >>> > >>> >>> > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] >>> > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. >>> > >>> > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit >>> "self-murder." If >>> > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that >>> individual >>> > >> would be guilty of murder. >>> > >>> > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If >>> not, >>> > >> you are jousting at windmills. >>> > >>> > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> > >>> > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >>> > >>> >>> > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as >>> life >>> > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to >>> themselves, both >>> > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides >>> do >>> > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal >>> problem. It >>> > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that >>> causes me to >>> > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever >>> reason) >>> > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>> > >>>> ** >>> > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>> > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>> > >>> > >>>> *No man is an island* >>> > >>> > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>> > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>> > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>> > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>> > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>> > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>> > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. >>> > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>> > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>> > >>> > >>>> -John Donne >>> > >>> >>> > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>> > >>> > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that >>> nothing >>> > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, >>> isn't it ?? >>> > >>> > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >>> > >>> > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another >>> exists in >>> > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. >>> > >>> >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News < >>> [email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia >>> is >>> > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>> > >>> > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men >>> murdered >>> > >>>>>> by homophobia in America.* >>> > >>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots... >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-lif... >>> > >>> > >>>>>> >>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/.<http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/> >>> .. >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the >>> > >>>>>>> images >>> > >>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >>> > >>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or >>> not.... >>> > >>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >>> > >>>>>>> nominal9 >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do >>> you >>> > >>>>>>> know ?? >>> > >>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >>> > >>>>>>> > * >>> > >>>>>>> > * >>> > >>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something >>> that >>> > >>>>>>> they find >>> > >>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position >>> first >>> > >>>>>>> rather than >>> > >>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News < >>> [email protected]> >>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>> > >>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >>> > >>>>>>> > > ** >>> > >>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were >>> not for >>> > >>>>>>> the >>> > >>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted >>> on the >>> > >>>>>>> internet by >>> > >>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a >>> > >>>>>>> societal >>> > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone >>> kids a >>> > >>>>>>> gay guy then >>> > >>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who >>> filmed >>> > >>>>>>> him should >>> > >>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he >>> took >>> > >>>>>>> his own life >>> > >>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other >>> than >>> > >>>>>>> homophobia, >>> > >>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you >>> think >>> > >>>>>>> it does and >>> > >>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do >>> determine >>> > >>>>>>> if it was >>> > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy >>> does >>> > >>>>>>> not get a job >>> > >>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not >>> that >>> > >>>>>>> someone better >>> > >>>>>>> > >> applied also. >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own >>> life if >>> > >>>>>>> he had >>> > >>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >>> > >>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >>> > >>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate >>> secretly >>> > >>>>>>> filmed the >>> > >>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >>> > >>>>>>> > >> * >>> > >>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep >>> shame, >>> > >>>>>>> ridicule, >>> > >>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> Tommy, >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so >>> embarrassing and >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to >>> take >>> > >>>>>>> his own >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude >>> and >>> > >>>>>>> love of >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to >>> President >>> > >>>>>>> Obama and >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> Congress >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > * >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality >>> Bill, >>> > >>>>>>> to amend >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> the >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation >>> and >>> > >>>>>>> gender >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> identity.* >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > ** >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > < >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> >>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge >>> in New >>> > >>>>>>> York >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> after his >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and >>> posted on >>> > >>>>>>> the >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> internet >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths >>> have >>> > >>>>>>> killed >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> themselves >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of >>> Brooklyn, >>> > >>>>>>> NY and >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> really >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > ... >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about >>> homophobia, >>> > >>>>>>> school >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> bullying >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more >>> suicide >>> > >>>>>>> letters. *** >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler >>> Clementi, the >>> > >>>>>>> young man >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> who >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with >>> another man >>> > >>>>>>> was >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> posted on >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 >>> students >>> > >>>>>>> accused of >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> this >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will >>> be >>> > >>>>>>> doing a >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> grave >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women >>> in this >>> > >>>>>>> country >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> who >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 >>> times >>> > >>>>>>> greater risk >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> of >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having >>> their >>> > >>>>>>> private >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> sexual >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but >>> it >>> > >>>>>>> seems >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> unlikely >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if >>> this >>> > >>>>>>> had been a >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would >>> not >>> > >>> >>> > ... >>> > >>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark M. Kahle H. >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. 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