Hi Mark, A person who contracts a "murder for hire", or otherwise convinces somebody else to kill a person.... is prosecuted at least as an accessory to or solicitator of murder (if it isn't carried out.....). But, you're right.... legally this is still a gray area.... there are Hazing,Hate Speech and Harassment laws, though.... probably other grounds that I don't know of, too... I'm not a lawyer.....more of a common sense seeker of justice sort. nominal9
On Oct 4, 11:38 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > *****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" > condition... it's "social", too.**** > > Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not effected by > ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you want protected > because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or special > treatment by anyone unless you inform them all. > > Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing something that he > found so personally, morally or socially repugnant/unacceptable... for > whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem. > > As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys suicide > (read the definition). > > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" > > condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide victim was > > doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, apparently) > > by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of the > > act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his knowledge or > > consent, against his will) anfd then having those video-recordings > > broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of "psychology" > > the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed the > > act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) > > first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own act of > > suicide. > > > ROOM-MATE > > I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can live > > C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... > > I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want them > > dead > > > VICTIM > > love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide > > C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... > > love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live > > > ROOM-MATE > > Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy > > C(BAD)....R(BAD).... > > Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame > > > VICTIM > > hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live > > C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... > > hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide > > > Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE took > > on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act that > > was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" him > > to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of > > someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly that) > > and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... personally, my > > moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should have > > killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. > > > On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Tommy, No. > > > > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to > > person > > > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only those > > with > > > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. > > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* > > > > ** > > > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of > > others, > > > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* > > > > ** > > > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* > > > > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* > > > > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] > > > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. > > > > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." > > If > > > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that > > individual > > > >> would be guilty of murder. > > > > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If > > not, > > > >> you are jousting at windmills. > > > > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* > > > > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as > > life > > > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, > > both > > > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do > > > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal > > problem. It > > > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes > > me to > > > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever > > reason) > > > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. > > > > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* > > > >>>> ** > > > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* > > > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* > > > > >>>> *No man is an island* > > > > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man > > > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; > > > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe > > > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as > > > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine > > > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, > > > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. > > > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom > > > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. > > > > >>>> -John Donne > > > > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, > > > > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing > > > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't > > it ?? > > > > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" > > > > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists > > in > > > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is > > > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * > > > > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men > > murdered > > > >>>>>> by homophobia in America.* > > >http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots... > > >http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-lif... > > >http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/... > > > > >>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the > > > >>>>>>> images > > > >>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... > > > >>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or > > not.... > > > >>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... > > > >>>>>>> nominal9 > > > > >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do > > you > > > >>>>>>> know ?? > > > >>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* > > > >>>>>>> > * > > > >>>>>>> > * > > > >>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something > > that > > > >>>>>>> they find > > > >>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position > > first > > > >>>>>>> rather than > > > >>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* > > > > >>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News < > > [email protected]> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* > > > >>>>>>> > > ** > > > >>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not > > for > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on > > the > > > >>>>>>> internet by > > > >>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* > > > > >>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a > > > >>>>>>> societal > > > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids > > a > > > >>>>>>> gay guy then > > > >>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who > > filmed > > > >>>>>>> him should > > > >>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he > > took > > > >>>>>>> his own life > > > >>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other > > than > > > >>>>>>> homophobia, > > > >>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you > > think > > > >>>>>>> it does and > > > >>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do > > determine > > > >>>>>>> if it was > > > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy > > does > > > >>>>>>> not get a job > > > >>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that > > > >>>>>>> someone better > > > >>>>>>> > >> applied also. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life > > if > > > >>>>>>> he had > > > >>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* > > > >>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * > > > >>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate > > secretly > > > >>>>>>> filmed the > > > >>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. > > > >>>>>>> > >> * > > > >>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep > > shame, > > > >>>>>>> ridicule, > > > >>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* > > > > >>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* > > > > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> Tommy, > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing > > and > > > >>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to > > take > > > >>>>>>> his own > > > >>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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