*No Mark. You are misinformed.* ** *Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental illness.* ** *Ilnesses are not weaknesses. *
On 10/4/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > *****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" > condition... it's "social", too.**** > > Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not effected by > ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you want protected > because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or special > treatment by anyone unless you inform them all. > > Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing something that he > found so personally, morally or socially repugnant/unacceptable... for > whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem. > > As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys suicide > (read the definition). > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >> condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide victim was >> doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, apparently) >> by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of the >> act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his knowledge or >> consent, against his will) anfd then having those video-recordings >> broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of "psychology" >> the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed the >> act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) >> first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own act of >> suicide. >> >> ROOM-MATE >> I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can live >> C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... >> I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want them >> dead >> >> VICTIM >> love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide >> C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... >> love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live >> >> ROOM-MATE >> Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy >> C(BAD)....R(BAD).... >> Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame >> >> VICTIM >> hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live >> C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... >> hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide >> >> Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE took >> on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act that >> was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" him >> to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of >> someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly that) >> and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... personally, my >> moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should have >> killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Tommy, No. >> > >> > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to >> person >> > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only those >> with >> > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. >> > >> > >> > >> >> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* >> > > ** >> > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of >> others, >> > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* >> > > ** >> > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* >> > >> > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* >> > >> >> > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] >> > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. >> > >> > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." >> If >> > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that >> individual >> > >> would be guilty of murder. >> > >> > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If >> not, >> > >> you are jousting at windmills. >> > >> > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> > >> > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >> > >> >> > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as >> life >> > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, >> both >> > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do >> > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal >> problem. It >> > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that >> causes me to >> > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever >> reason) >> > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. >> > >> >> > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >> > >>>> ** >> > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >> > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >> > >> > >>>> *No man is an island* >> > >> > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >> > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >> > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >> > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >> > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >> > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >> > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. >> > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >> > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >> > >> > >>>> -John Donne >> > >> >> > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >> > >> > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing >> > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't >> it ?? >> > >> > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >> > >> > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists >> in >> > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. >> > >> >> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News < >> [email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is >> > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >> > >> > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men >> murdered >> > >>>>>> by homophobia in America.* >> > >> >> > >>>>>> >> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots... >> > >> > >>>>>> >> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-lif... >> > >> > >>>>>> >> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/.<http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/> >> .. >> > >> > >>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the >> > >>>>>>> images >> > >>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >> > >>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or >> not.... >> > >>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >> > >>>>>>> nominal9 >> > >> > >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do >> you >> > >>>>>>> know ?? >> > >>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >> > >>>>>>> > * >> > >>>>>>> > * >> > >>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something >> that >> > >>>>>>> they find >> > >>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position >> first >> > >>>>>>> rather than >> > >>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >> > >> > >>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News < >> [email protected]> >> > >>>>>>> wrote: >> > >>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >> > >>>>>>> > > ** >> > >>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not >> for >> > >>>>>>> the >> > >>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on >> the >> > >>>>>>> internet by >> > >>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >> > >> > >>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a >> > >>>>>>> societal >> > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone >> kids a >> > >>>>>>> gay guy then >> > >>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who >> filmed >> > >>>>>>> him should >> > >>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he >> took >> > >>>>>>> his own life >> > >>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other >> than >> > >>>>>>> homophobia, >> > >>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you >> think >> > >>>>>>> it does and >> > >>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do >> determine >> > >>>>>>> if it was >> > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy >> does >> > >>>>>>> not get a job >> > >>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that >> > >>>>>>> someone better >> > >>>>>>> > >> applied also. >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life >> if >> > >>>>>>> he had >> > >>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >> > >>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >> > >>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate >> secretly >> > >>>>>>> filmed the >> > >>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >> > >>>>>>> > >> * >> > >>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep >> shame, >> > >>>>>>> ridicule, >> > >>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> Tommy, >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing >> and >> > >>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to >> take >> > >>>>>>> his own >> > >>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude >> and >> > >>>>>>> love of >> > >>>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to >> President >> > >>>>>>> Obama and >> > >>>>>>> > >>> Congress >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > * >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality >> Bill, >> > >>>>>>> to amend >> > >>>>>>> > >>> the >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation >> and >> > >>>>>>> gender >> > >>>>>>> > >>> identity.* >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > ** >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > < >> > >> > >>>>>>> >> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge >> in New >> > >>>>>>> York >> > >>>>>>> > >>> after his >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and >> posted on >> > >>>>>>> the >> > >>>>>>> > >>> internet >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have >> > >>>>>>> killed >> > >>>>>>> > >>> themselves >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of >> Brooklyn, >> > >>>>>>> NY and >> > >>>>>>> > >>> really >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > ... >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about >> homophobia, >> > >>>>>>> school >> > >>>>>>> > >>> bullying >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more >> suicide >> > >>>>>>> letters. *** >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler >> Clementi, the >> > >>>>>>> young man >> > >>>>>>> > >>> who >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with >> another man >> > >>>>>>> was >> > >>>>>>> > >>> posted on >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 >> students >> > >>>>>>> accused of >> > >>>>>>> > >>> this >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will >> be >> > >>>>>>> doing a >> > >>>>>>> > >>> grave >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in >> this >> > >>>>>>> country >> > >>>>>>> > >>> who >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times >> > >>>>>>> greater risk >> > >>>>>>> > >>> of >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having >> their >> > >>>>>>> private >> > >>>>>>> > >>> sexual >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but >> it >> > >>>>>>> seems >> > >>>>>>> > >>> unlikely >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if >> this >> > >>>>>>> had been a >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would >> not >> > >> >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > > > -- > Mark M. Kahle H. > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. 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