*This post is so filled with false statements that it would send a lie detector off the charts.* ** *I suggest you read more about the murder of Matthew Shepard.* *It was not a drug deal, as you falsely claim. Shepard only had five dollars on him, and no drugs. He was not a drug user, as the two murderers were.* *Shepard was offered a ride home from the bar, then was kidnapped, robbed, bullied, pistol whipped, had his skull fractured, was tied to a fence and left to die in the cold because he was gay and was perceived by McKinney and Henderson be an easy target, at their own admission in the trial.* ** *The convicted murderer Aaron McKinney lied in prison to get off with a chance at parole. and to claim it was not a hate crime, which it clearly was. You are spouting off the lies of the convicted murderers, and may I ask why you believe their false statements above the factual evidence? * ** *You are assuming other things as well. When have I ever said that I was gay or bi or straight? Never! * ** *Keith, you are misguided and mistaken. * ** *In addition, to repeat yet again, Democrats are not Marxists, Socialists, or Communists. No, they are not. *
On 10/5/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Nominal, > > Yes. > > This is not to say that there are probably millions of individuals who are > Gay, that don't fall into the "Militant Gay Agenda" category; but look at > Tom, and all of the articles that he cuts and pastes. Take a gander at the > web sites that are spreading vicious hateful lies, (and as you just > admitted, the story continues to unfold). Take a look at how Matthew > Shepard was made into a poster child for "hate crimes" and the whole story > was premised on a lie. > > Does Tom speak for the majority of, or the minority of Gays in the United > States? I dunno the answer to that. I do know that there are a lot of > those with the "militant Gay Agenda" syndrome. > > > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Keith.... >> >> I agree that the situation here is still being uncovered and >> speculation may well be premature.....However, I ask you to consider >> your own "Gay Agenda" claim.....Do you think that it is fair to lump >> anyone's personal individual situation into a broad, generalised >> classification such as a "group" Gay Agenda political context?.... >> >> On Oct 5, 1:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hey Nominal, >> > >> > I am not exactly sure what your point is. Maybe I am missing Mark's >> too, >> > so feel free to chime in and correct me if I am mistaken. >> > >> > Let's review: >> > >> > This kid that we are referencing, killed himself. Committed suicide. >> > Personally, I would classify that as some kind of mental illness. It >> had >> > nothing to do with anyone else killing him, the kid decided to take his >> own >> > life. >> > >> > The facts are just now coming out about this matter....Turns out that >> maybe >> > this had nothing to do with the roommate surrepticiously filming and >> then, >> > purportedly putting the film on the web. There are a number of links on >> the >> > web now, but the bottom line, is that it appears that Tyler Clementi >> wasn't >> > all that upset with his roommate. >> > >> > The point being, is that once again, we have a militant Gay Agenda, >> > attempting to write a narrative that is both untruthful and misleading. >> > >> > There was no bullying (at least documented) of Tyler Clementi. Much >> like >> > the Matthew Shepard story, where Shepard was purportedly killed because >> of >> > his sexual orientation, it turned out that Shepard was killed because he >> was >> > in a drug deal that went bad. >> > >> > Likewise, it appears that Mr. Clementi's suicide was caused by something >> > other than the alleged "Bullying". >> > >> > It's just a little lie...... >> > >> > >> > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Mark.... this "weakness" claim of yours is a"fiction".... doesn't >> > > comport with human experience. Take the example of "growing up"... >> > > from birth to relative maturity. At what point does a baby or a child >> > > lose his/her emotional "weakness"....? Is a baby who is physically or >> > > mentally abused by "grown-ups" (depraved ones, let's say).... >> > > emotionally weak... for crying or trying to escape? If not a "baby" >> > > then at what point in an abusive continuum does a "youngster" develop >> > > into emotional "maturity" and therefor no longer has a right to claim >> > > victimization from an abuser.... twelve, thirteen, eighteen, twenty- >> > > one... thirty-five... fifty? >> > > You seem to have this John Wayne tough-guy movie fiction working in >> > > your head.....Maybe you should talk to some honest-to-goodness, real- >> > > life stand-up people.... and stop depending on romanticized "gung-ho" >> > > pablum for your assumptions into something you probably have never >> > > experienced, yourself.... >> > > Sounds like tough talk on my part.... but, frankly, tell me if and >> > > when you have had experience in this regard, yourself... you know... >> > > standing up to very aggressive or assertive people, who struck >> > > understandable and "doable" fear into you.... >> > >> > > On Oct 5, 10:07 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Oh, but they are weaknesses....... show me ONE that is a strength or >> that >> > > > makes you NORMAL. It is a weakness in fact and by definition. >> > >> > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > *No Mark. You are misinformed.* >> > > > > ** >> > > > > *Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental illness.* >> > > > > ** >> > > > > *Ilnesses are not weaknesses. >> > > > > * >> > >> > > > > On 10/4/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> *****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >> > > > >> condition... it's "social", too.**** >> > >> > > > >> Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not >> effected >> > > by >> > > > >> ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you >> want >> > > protected >> > > > >> because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or >> > > special >> > > > >> treatment by anyone unless you inform them all. >> > >> > > > >> Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing >> something >> > > that >> > > > >> he found so personally, morally or socially >> repugnant/unacceptable... >> > > for >> > > > >> whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem. >> > >> > > > >> As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys >> > > suicide >> > > > >> (read the definition). >> > >> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>> Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >> > > > >>> condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide >> victim was >> > > > >>> doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, >> apparently) >> > > > >>> by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of >> the >> > > > >>> act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his >> knowledge or >> > > > >>> consent, against his will) anfd then having those >> video-recordings >> > > > >>> broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of >> "psychology" >> > > > >>> the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed >> the >> > > > >>> act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) >> > > > >>> first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own >> act >> > > of >> > > > >>> suicide. >> > >> > > > >>> ROOM-MATE >> > > > >>> I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can >> live >> > > > >>> C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... >> > > > >>> I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want >> them >> > > > >>> dead >> > >> > > > >>> VICTIM >> > > > >>> love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide >> > > > >>> C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... >> > > > >>> love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live >> > >> > > > >>> ROOM-MATE >> > > > >>> Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy >> > > > >>> C(BAD)....R(BAD).... >> > > > >>> Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame >> > >> > > > >>> VICTIM >> > > > >>> hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live >> > > > >>> C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... >> > > > >>> hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide >> > >> > > > >>> Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE >> took >> > > > >>> on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act >> that >> > > > >>> was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" >> him >> > > > >>> to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of >> > > > >>> someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly >> that) >> > > > >>> and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... >> personally, >> > > my >> > > > >>> moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should >> have >> > > > >>> killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. >> > >> > > > >>> On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >>> > Tommy, No. >> > >> > > > >>> > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies >> person to >> > > > >>> person >> > > > >>> > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. >> Only >> > > those >> > > > >>> with >> > > > >>> > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. >> > >> > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News < >> [email protected]> >> > > > >>> wrote: >> > > > >>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* >> > > > >>> > > ** >> > > > >>> > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the >> acts >> > > of >> > > > >>> others, >> > > > >>> > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* >> > > > >>> > > ** >> > > > >>> > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* >> > >> > > > >>> > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many >> factors.* >> > >> > > > >>> > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > >>> > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] >> > > > >>> > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own >> life. >> > >> > > > >>> > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit >> > > > >>> "self-murder." If >> > > > >>> > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then >> that >> > > > >>> individual >> > > > >>> > >> would be guilty of murder. >> > >> > > > >>> > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for >> murder? >> > > If >> > > > >>> not, >> > > > >>> > >> you are jousting at windmills. >> > >> > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> > >> > > > >>> > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >> > >> > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>> > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as >> ancient >> > > as >> > > > >>> life >> > > > >>> > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to >> > > > >>> themselves, both >> > > > >>> > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL >> > > suicides >> > > > >>> do >> > > > >>> > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a >> personal >> > > > >>> problem. It >> > > > >>> > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated >> that >> > > > >>> causes me to >> > > > >>> > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for >> > > whatever >> > > > >>> reason) >> > > > >>> > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like >> one. >> > >> > > > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News < >> > > [email protected]> >> > > > >>> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >> > > > >>> > >>>> ** >> > > > >>> > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >> > > > >>> > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>> *No man is an island* >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >> > > > >>> > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >> > > > >>> > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >> > > > >>> > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >> > > > >>> > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >> > > > >>> > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >> > > > >>> > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. >> > > > >>> > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >> > > > >>> > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>> -John Donne >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of >> that >> > > > >>> nothing >> > > > >>> > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the >> law, >> > > > >>> isn't it ?? >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do >> it >> > > !!" >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or >> another >> > > > >>> exists in >> > > > >>> > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News < >> > > > >>> [email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of >> > > homophobia >> > > > >>> is >> > > > >>> > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >> > >> > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – >> > >> >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. 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