Tom, This isn't about, "I Say" versus, "You Say". The story of Matthew Shepard has been well documented by CBS, ABC, and a host of other news sources. Most of them have not really broadcast the story, because it messes up the politically correct, "progressive Gay Militant Agenda's" story, but documented it is. Shepard was a drug user, who got caught up in a drug deal gone bad. Had nothing to do with his, "Gayness"....Had nothing to do with him being bullied; It had nothing to do with Shepard being offered a ride home.
Sometimes, the truth hurts, and in this case, it blows away your Politically Correct, Progressive Militant Gay Agenda: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2373889/posts http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2009/04/virginia_foxx_mathew_shepards.html http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=1 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/04/30/abc-debunks-matthew-shepard-murder-no-hate-crime-msnbc-savages-republ On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > *This post is so filled with false statements that it would send a lie > detector off the charts.* > ** > *I suggest you read more about the murder of Matthew Shepard.* > *It was not a drug deal, as you falsely claim. Shepard only had five > dollars on him, and no drugs. He was not a drug user, as the two murderers > were.* > *Shepard was offered a ride home from the bar, then was kidnapped, > robbed, bullied, pistol whipped, had his skull fractured, was tied to a > fence and left to die in the cold because he was gay and was perceived > by McKinney and Henderson be an easy target, at their own admission in the > trial.* > ** > *The convicted murderer Aaron McKinney lied in prison to get off with > a chance at parole. and to claim it was not a hate crime, which it clearly > was. You are spouting off the lies of the convicted murderers, and may I ask > why you believe their false statements above the factual evidence? * > ** > *You are assuming other things as well. When have I ever said that I was > gay or bi or straight? Never! * > ** > *Keith, you are misguided and mistaken. * > ** > *In addition, to repeat yet again, Democrats are not Marxists, Socialists, > or Communists. No, they are not. > * > > On 10/5/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Nominal, >> >> Yes. >> >> This is not to say that there are probably millions of individuals who are >> Gay, that don't fall into the "Militant Gay Agenda" category; but look at >> Tom, and all of the articles that he cuts and pastes. Take a gander at the >> web sites that are spreading vicious hateful lies, (and as you just >> admitted, the story continues to unfold). Take a look at how Matthew >> Shepard was made into a poster child for "hate crimes" and the whole story >> was premised on a lie. >> >> Does Tom speak for the majority of, or the minority of Gays in the United >> States? I dunno the answer to that. I do know that there are a lot of >> those with the "militant Gay Agenda" syndrome. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Keith.... >>> >>> I agree that the situation here is still being uncovered and >>> speculation may well be premature.....However, I ask you to consider >>> your own "Gay Agenda" claim.....Do you think that it is fair to lump >>> anyone's personal individual situation into a broad, generalised >>> classification such as a "group" Gay Agenda political context?.... >>> >>> On Oct 5, 1:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Hey Nominal, >>> > >>> > I am not exactly sure what your point is. Maybe I am missing Mark's >>> too, >>> > so feel free to chime in and correct me if I am mistaken. >>> > >>> > Let's review: >>> > >>> > This kid that we are referencing, killed himself. Committed suicide. >>> > Personally, I would classify that as some kind of mental illness. It >>> had >>> > nothing to do with anyone else killing him, the kid decided to take >>> his own >>> > life. >>> > >>> > The facts are just now coming out about this matter....Turns out that >>> maybe >>> > this had nothing to do with the roommate surrepticiously filming and >>> then, >>> > purportedly putting the film on the web. There are a number of links >>> on the >>> > web now, but the bottom line, is that it appears that Tyler Clementi >>> wasn't >>> > all that upset with his roommate. >>> > >>> > The point being, is that once again, we have a militant Gay Agenda, >>> > attempting to write a narrative that is both untruthful and misleading. >>> > >>> > There was no bullying (at least documented) of Tyler Clementi. Much >>> like >>> > the Matthew Shepard story, where Shepard was purportedly killed because >>> of >>> > his sexual orientation, it turned out that Shepard was killed because >>> he was >>> > in a drug deal that went bad. >>> > >>> > Likewise, it appears that Mr. Clementi's suicide was caused by >>> something >>> > other than the alleged "Bullying". >>> > >>> > It's just a little lie...... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > Mark.... this "weakness" claim of yours is a"fiction".... doesn't >>> > > comport with human experience. Take the example of "growing up"... >>> > > from birth to relative maturity. At what point does a baby or a child >>> > > lose his/her emotional "weakness"....? Is a baby who is physically or >>> > > mentally abused by "grown-ups" (depraved ones, let's say).... >>> > > emotionally weak... for crying or trying to escape? If not a "baby" >>> > > then at what point in an abusive continuum does a "youngster" >>> develop >>> > > into emotional "maturity" and therefor no longer has a right to claim >>> > > victimization from an abuser.... twelve, thirteen, eighteen, twenty- >>> > > one... thirty-five... fifty? >>> > > You seem to have this John Wayne tough-guy movie fiction working in >>> > > your head.....Maybe you should talk to some honest-to-goodness, real- >>> > > life stand-up people.... and stop depending on romanticized "gung-ho" >>> > > pablum for your assumptions into something you probably have never >>> > > experienced, yourself.... >>> > > Sounds like tough talk on my part.... but, frankly, tell me if and >>> > > when you have had experience in this regard, yourself... you know... >>> > > standing up to very aggressive or assertive people, who struck >>> > > understandable and "doable" fear into you.... >>> > >>> > > On Oct 5, 10:07 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > Oh, but they are weaknesses....... show me ONE that is a strength >>> or that >>> > > > makes you NORMAL. It is a weakness in fact and by definition. >>> > >>> > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > *No Mark. You are misinformed.* >>> > > > > ** >>> > > > > *Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental illness.* >>> > > > > ** >>> > > > > *Ilnesses are not weaknesses. >>> > > > > * >>> > >>> > > > > On 10/4/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >> *****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >>> > > > >> condition... it's "social", too.**** >>> > >>> > > > >> Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not >>> effected >>> > > by >>> > > > >> ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you >>> want >>> > > protected >>> > > > >> because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or >>> > > special >>> > > > >> treatment by anyone unless you inform them all. >>> > >>> > > > >> Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing >>> something >>> > > that >>> > > > >> he found so personally, morally or socially >>> repugnant/unacceptable... >>> > > for >>> > > > >> whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem. >>> > >>> > > > >> As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys >>> > > suicide >>> > > > >> (read the definition). >>> > >>> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" >>> > > > >>> condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide >>> victim was >>> > > > >>> doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, >>> apparently) >>> > > > >>> by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" >>> of the >>> > > > >>> act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his >>> knowledge or >>> > > > >>> consent, against his will) anfd then having those >>> video-recordings >>> > > > >>> broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of >>> "psychology" >>> > > > >>> the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who >>> performed the >>> > > > >>> act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) >>> > > > >>> first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own >>> act >>> > > of >>> > > > >>> suicide. >>> > >>> > > > >>> ROOM-MATE >>> > > > >>> I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can >>> live >>> > > > >>> C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... >>> > > > >>> I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want >>> them >>> > > > >>> dead >>> > >>> > > > >>> VICTIM >>> > > > >>> love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide >>> > > > >>> C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... >>> > > > >>> love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live >>> > >>> > > > >>> ROOM-MATE >>> > > > >>> Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy >>> > > > >>> C(BAD)....R(BAD).... >>> > > > >>> Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame >>> > >>> > > > >>> VICTIM >>> > > > >>> hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live >>> > > > >>> C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... >>> > > > >>> hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide >>> > >>> > > > >>> Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the >>> ROOMMATE took >>> > > > >>> on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the >>> act that >>> > > > >>> was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" >>> him >>> > > > >>> to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" >>> of >>> > > > >>> someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly >>> that) >>> > > > >>> and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... >>> personally, >>> > > my >>> > > > >>> moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should >>> have >>> > > > >>> killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. >>> > >>> > > > >>> On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > Tommy, No. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies >>> person to >>> > > > >>> person >>> > > > >>> > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. >>> Only >>> > > those >>> > > > >>> with >>> > > > >>> > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > > >>> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* >>> > > > >>> > > ** >>> > > > >>> > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the >>> acts >>> > > of >>> > > > >>> others, >>> > > > >>> > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* >>> > > > >>> > > ** >>> > > > >>> > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many >>> factors.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] >>> > > > >>> > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own >>> life. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit >>> > > > >>> "self-murder." If >>> > > > >>> > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then >>> that >>> > > > >>> individual >>> > > > >>> > >> would be guilty of murder. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for >>> murder? >>> > > If >>> > > > >>> not, >>> > > > >>> > >> you are jousting at windmills. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as >>> ancient >>> > > as >>> > > > >>> life >>> > > > >>> > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to >>> > > > >>> themselves, both >>> > > > >>> > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL >>> > > suicides >>> > > > >>> do >>> > > > >>> > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a >>> personal >>> > > > >>> problem. It >>> > > > >>> > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated >>> that >>> > > > >>> causes me to >>> > > > >>> > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for >>> > > whatever >>> > > > >>> reason) >>> > > > >>> > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting >>> like one. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News < >>> > > [email protected]> >>> > > > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>> > > > >>> > >>>> ** >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> *No man is an island* >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>> > > > >>> > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>> > > > >>> > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>> > > > >>> > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>> > > > >>> > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>> > > > >>> > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>> > > > >>> > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. >>> > > > >>> > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>> > > > >>> > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> -John Donne >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of >>> that >>> > > > >>> nothing >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the >>> law, >>> > > > >>> isn't it ?? >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me >>> do it >>> > > !!" >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or >>> another >>> > > > >>> exists in >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News < >>> > > > >>> [email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of >>> > > homophobia >>> > > > >>> is >>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – >>> > >>> >>> > ... >>> > >>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
