Philip Meyer;591189 Wrote: > >when i first mucked around with SBS, this logic got TONS of my albums > >"ID'd" as comps, but that in reality weren't comps. > > > Even though you *always* add an album artist tag? How can that be? In > reality you should never have had any compilation albums
correct. obviously, like i said, it was when i FIRST mucked around with SBS, and thats what prompted me to fight many people, including you you may recall, for bug 8001, which i wanted just so i could add AA tags to mp3s the way every other app does, and defeat the SBS VA logic. that was the whole genesis of that debacle, and just getting it started took months b/c it took me and slim/forum folks (many of whom are FLAC/non-mainstream app centric) forever to figure out the TPE2 hijacking. Philip Meyer;591189 Wrote: > > >to answer Phils question of what should happen if you didn't > >have the logic, i say just let the artists propagate into the list, > >whats the harm? don't like it, turn it back on or put proper tags. > > > Wouldn't that make it a lot harder to find albums that haven't been > tagged correctly? Instead of a few albums listed as compilations > because they are missing an album artist tag, you'd have albums > duplicated and split amongst lots of artists. You'd have the Browse > Artists list expanded out with lots of single-track albums. > > It would be a lot further away from what people desire, and harder to > identify the issue and fix. i disagree. i think it would show you what albums you didn't tag correctly. in other words, imagine no VA logic doing things for you... ie. its off. well, if its off, it is possible, with proper tagging, to get your collection to display correctly anyway, using many different strategies, some minimal (like mine) some not. for your use, you could consider it a debug mode. for me, i simply consider it more efficient since my tags now make it moot. but i also contend some people would WANT their collections displayed that way. single track artists are not an anthema to everyone. the point is that the VA logic is not necessary to get SBS to work correctly, its just a tool that can help some users who know how to employ it, but my exp is that its unnecessary, unwanted, and frequently causes undesired problems, and confusion among newbies. Philip Meyer;591189 Wrote: > > >the fact of the matter is almost all the big, important ripping apps > >put an AA tag or comp tag by default now anyway > > > Not true. EAC doesn't, and other apps I've used haven't either. Some > do, some don't. itunes WMP winamp musicmatch (when it had bigger marketshare) all do. thats more than 90% of the market right there. i'd suspect that foobar and dbpoweramp (which i admit, i don't use so idk) do as well, prob by default but maybe optionally? so other than EAC, which has no AA concept, what big, important app doesn't? (EAC is niche btw, and i don't know all the capabilities yet of the new v1 b1) you can say "not true" but it IS true. all the big important apps, that i just listed above, put an AA tag or comp tag by default. i'd say 90% marketshare constitutes a de facto standard. (and 90% is probably lowballing it) btw, those same big apps all use TPE2 to = AA, which i suspect is why mp3tag now does that as well. Philip Meyer;591189 Wrote: > > >i'm not saying the VA detection logic should be removed, or even off > by > >default, but it would be fine to disable it if a user wanted to, and > it > >might even help avoid some of the issues above, or the AV issues some > >people have when "merge VA" happens in the scanner. > > > And I say it shouldn't be possible to disable. Just like other logic > that the scanner does, such as looking for album artist tags for > grouping songs under one artist instead of splitting an album up. The > software already has enough options that confuse the hell out of people > (largely because they are labelled poorly with no help guide). yeah, and you were also against bug 8001, and thats now the default treatment. you were also against bug 8380, but thats worked out well too, and even shown some of the old hands around here a problem or two in their own tags. this option, this on/off option is the tipping point? where SBS becomes too confusing? if anything, having the option would help EXPLAIN to users what the hell is going on, what SBS is doing! it could explain itself, which it doesn't now. its totally hidden, under the hood, and it was VERY confusing to me when SBS was doing this and i had no idea why b/c there was no indication of the function to begin with! i'm fine with having it on by default, but if it were an option, that would help indicate and educate users on what SBS is doing, why and how. and the reason thats needed, is that unlike the AA logic you mention, most other apps DO NOT do VA auto detection, so its not an intuitive, expected treatment the way AA treatment is across almost all apps. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83073 _______________________________________________ ripping mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
