On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, John H Palmieri
<jhpalmier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King <simon.k...@nuigalway.ie> wrote:
>> Hi William!
>>
>> On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> > Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
>> > 1990s, right?   Venerable = "accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
>> > because of age"
>>
>> My impression was that the word "venerable" (used *twice* in the
>> proposal) by itself is very old-fashioned and rather odd in a CAS
>> context. I would certainly not use the corresponding German word
>> "altehrwürdig" to refer to a computer algebra system or to an NSF-
>> funded winter school. To my ears, it has an ironic undertone.
>
> I think it sounds perhaps slightly odd, but I don't catch any irony in
> it.  I mean, we know something about the history and people involved
> in Maxima and Sage, as well as various discussions about Maxima vs.
> Sage, so it may be hard for us to read anything about both Sage and
> Maxima without paying very close attention to what words are being
> used and whether they are fraught with extra meaning.
>
> I personally don't know anything about William's experience with the
> Arizona Winter School beyond what he wrote in the proposal, but
> presumably he liked it when he was a grad student, since he helped to
> co-organize it recently.  So I interpret the use of the word
> "venerable" positively in that case, and I don't think there's much
> ambiguity.  I think it's reasonable to expect most readers (who don't
> have any knowledge of past Sage-Maxima discussions) to then read the
> second instance of the word in the same way, positively.
>
> The proposal is certainly not meant to insult or snub Maxima (or any
> other open-source free software) in any way.

That is true.  In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.

William

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