On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King <simon.k...@nuigalway.ie> wrote:
> Hi William!
>
> On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
> > 1990s, right?   Venerable = "accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
> > because of age"
>
> My impression was that the word "venerable" (used *twice* in the
> proposal) by itself is very old-fashioned and rather odd in a CAS
> context. I would certainly not use the corresponding German word
> "altehrwürdig" to refer to a computer algebra system or to an NSF-
> funded winter school. To my ears, it has an ironic undertone.

I think it sounds perhaps slightly odd, but I don't catch any irony in
it.  I mean, we know something about the history and people involved
in Maxima and Sage, as well as various discussions about Maxima vs.
Sage, so it may be hard for us to read anything about both Sage and
Maxima without paying very close attention to what words are being
used and whether they are fraught with extra meaning.

I personally don't know anything about William's experience with the
Arizona Winter School beyond what he wrote in the proposal, but
presumably he liked it when he was a grad student, since he helped to
co-organize it recently.  So I interpret the use of the word
"venerable" positively in that case, and I don't think there's much
ambiguity.  I think it's reasonable to expect most readers (who don't
have any knowledge of past Sage-Maxima discussions) to then read the
second instance of the word in the same way, positively.

The proposal is certainly not meant to insult or snub Maxima (or any
other open-source free software) in any way.

--
John

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