Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration

[mb4zap®]

wow..! nice explanations.. :) and i agree fully with the peanut and cashewnut 
argument and that i will sip in even poison if ARR provides... :)






From: V S Rawat 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 12:24:29 AM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration

  
On 5/1/2010 11:20 AM India Time, _Gomzy™_ wrote:

> When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to
> understand why cant the listener listen to various genres.

I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his 
fans can be satisfied with blue.

:-)

Blue was peanut, Raavan is cashewnut.

:-)

Peanuts drive some species go nuts, cashewnuts drive some other 
species go nuts.

:-)

Humans love to eat cashewnuts more than peanuts but all can't afford 
to buy cashewnuts so most of us end up eating peanuts. That was the 
situation in 70s and 80s when ARR was not there to provide cashewnuts 
so we all were eating Anu malik's peanuts thinking they were the 
tastiest edibles in the world for our ears.

Then ARR happened and he gave the first taste of cashewnuts to our 
ears. And we couldn't get satisfied with anything less ever since.

:-)

ARR did have provided peanuts instead of cashewnuts in some rare 
occasions.

We love ARR so we will even eat poison if he gives us, let alone 
eating peanuts instead of cashewnuts if he provides them sometimes.

The point is: When ARR is providing peanuts, real ARR fans would 
realize that it is peanuts and would still eat those peanuts saying 
that ARR provided us peanuts and we are eating peanuts.

but, if any fan starts saying that those peanuts provided by ARR are 
not peanuts but are cashewnuts, such fans are just creating a hype.

:-)

--
Rawat


 


  

Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration

[Gomzy™]

>I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his
>fans can be satisfied with blue.

I wonder why some people bother to feel that his fans are satisfied with
blue. His fans are never satisfied. They just want more !

Some of neither have the time nor the energy to imbibe in a few adamant
souls in the group that they need to stop messing with what others like/
hate.


On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:54 PM, V S Rawat  wrote:

>
>
> On 5/1/2010 11:20 AM India Time, _Gomzy™_ wrote:
>
> > When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to
> > understand why cant the listener listen to various genres.
>
> I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his
> fans can be satisfied with blue.
>
> :-)
>
> Blue was peanut, Raavan is cashewnut.
>
> :-)
>
> Peanuts drive some species go nuts, cashewnuts drive some other
> species go nuts.
>
> :-)
>
> Humans love to eat cashewnuts more than peanuts but all can't afford
> to buy cashewnuts so most of us end up eating peanuts. That was the
> situation in 70s and 80s when ARR was not there to provide cashewnuts
> so we all were eating Anu malik's peanuts thinking they were the
> tastiest edibles in the world for our ears.
>
> Then ARR happened and he gave the first taste of cashewnuts to our
> ears. And we couldn't get satisfied with anything less ever since.
>
> :-)
>
> ARR did have provided peanuts instead of cashewnuts in some rare
> occasions.
>
> We love ARR so we will even eat poison if he gives us, let alone
> eating peanuts instead of cashewnuts if he provides them sometimes.
>
> The point is: When ARR is providing peanuts, real ARR fans would
> realize that it is peanuts and would still eat those peanuts saying
> that ARR provided us peanuts and we are eating peanuts.
>
> but, if any fan starts saying that those peanuts provided by ARR are
> not peanuts but are cashewnuts, such fans are just creating a hype.
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Rawat
>
>  
>



-- 
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Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration

[V S Rawat]

On 5/1/2010 11:20 AM India Time, _Gomzy™_ wrote:

> When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to
> understand why cant the listener listen to various genres.

I wonder why ARR bothers to take pains to create raavan/ D6 when his 
fans can be satisfied with blue.

:-)

Blue was peanut, Raavan is cashewnut.

:-)

Peanuts drive some species go nuts, cashewnuts drive some other 
species go nuts.

:-)

Humans love to eat cashewnuts more than peanuts but all can't afford 
to buy cashewnuts so most of us end up eating peanuts. That was the 
situation in 70s and 80s when ARR was not there to provide cashewnuts 
so we all were eating Anu malik's peanuts thinking they were the 
tastiest edibles in the world for our ears.

Then ARR happened and he gave the first taste of cashewnuts to our 
ears. And we couldn't get satisfied with anything less ever since.

:-)

ARR did have provided peanuts instead of cashewnuts in some rare 
occasions.

We love ARR so we will even eat poison if he gives us, let alone 
eating peanuts instead of cashewnuts if he provides them sometimes.

The point is: When ARR is providing peanuts, real ARR fans would 
realize that it is peanuts and would still eat those peanuts saying 
that ARR provided us peanuts and we are eating peanuts.

but, if any fan starts saying that those peanuts provided by ARR are 
not peanuts but are cashewnuts, such fans are just creating a hype.

:-)

--
Rawat

Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration

[V S Rawat]

On 5/1/2010 4:28 PM India Time, _ravi_ wrote:

>
> I dont write to like an essay,

that needs to think over a lot of things to collect thoughts and then 
to feel confident about your conclusion to gather courage to say iit 
in words and then to share it with the world. Not many can do that in 
today's rush world of instant pleasures.


> but I simply understand Blue was
> Blue and Raavn is Raavan.

right, just like Himesh's music is himesh's music and anu malik's 
music is anu malik's music, and pritam's music is pritam's music and 
so on. And like Dil Se was Dil Se, and Bombay was Bombay, and so on.

You are saying that you are treating all films and music and songs 
individually and don't group them by commanalties or differences.

> Ar gave appropriate music and those who
> appreciated both the music just loved its music and they just did
> not hate Blue just bcs the lyrics wasnt from the Urdu Poet. We
> loved the music and just thats it.

not many bother about the philosophy or concept behind a song or an 
album or a movie. We tend to like them isolating that from the rest of 
the world, but that is not really correct as everything has its 
consequences and implications. Understaning those brings some purpose 
in life and makes us mature and wiser.

--
Rawat

> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat
> wrote:
>>
>> Several members had appreciated Blue music. And now, the same
>> members are immersed in Raavan and praising it.
>>
>> I wonder what exactly one sees/ listens in an album to appreciate
>> it?
>>
>> Blue and Raavan are quite different. And the difference in them
>> is not just technical difference like a difference in classical
>> or bolly songs that one can like some of both categories. There
>> are deeper differences.
>>
>> I think the difference in blue and RAavan is that Blue was
>> technically great without a soul, there was no inherent unity in
>> those songs to weave the songs as a single fabric
>>
>> On the opposite extreme, Raavan is a unified album. There is a
>> underlying common theme in all songs that suggests it could be a
>> single song running for 30 minutes in raavan. Raavan is earthly.
>> Raavan has given us our ARR of 10-15 years ago back to us.
>>
>> Raavan has generated a long thread on thiruda thiruda and all
>> movies of ARR-Mani got discussed.
>>
>> Raavan is launching people on a rendezvous, down memory lane, old
>> is gold, back to the basics.
>>
>> Raavan is making people rediscover and re-explore ARR.
>>
>> What else was discussed with blue? Nothing at all, except that it
>> was a technically great album having new types of sounds.
>>
>> I think all those great and novel sounds are still there in
>> raavan, but hardly anybody is talking about greatness and novelty
>> of sounds in raavan - because there are so many things in raavan
>> to be talked about that its technical supremacy seems to have
>> taken a back seat low down in the list of priorities of things
>> that we love to discuss about music, about ARR's music.
>>
>> Nobody has so far asked "where is ARR's signature in Raavan", the
>> way we had asked where ARR's signatures were in Pappu. Why so?
>> Because we all see ARR's signatures in each and every millisecond
>> of Raavan.
>>
>> At the time of release of Blue, ARR had given a message about
>> people's high expectations after his oscars.
>>
>> I had written then here that if ARR is thinking of people
>> expectations and about oscar, it is a wrong step. I had said that
>> ARR should forget people and forget oscars when he enters his
>> studio and he should create what his heart says.
>>
>> Oscars didn't make ARR creative, ARR's creativity brought Oscars
>> to him.
>>
>> Compare that to Raavan release. No statement by ARR, no mention
>> of people's expectations, no mention of oscar (and even grammy)
>> now. Raavan got released without a word from ARR.
>>
>> And Raavan has stirred the ARR-fandom like none of his albums
>> had stirred in last 10 years, may be after Dil Se.
>>
>> I think, with Raavan, ARR has forgotten about people's
>> expectations and he has put his awardee status in a corner. He is
>> back to become pre-oscar ARR. And his creativity is evident in
>> every beat of Raavan. A creativity that has a soul, unlike the
>> sheer technical creativity of blue.
>>
>> Why should ARR explain his music the way he did in Blue? His
>> music explains itself to us fans and we understand by listening
>> his music when our souls are in touch with ARR's souls and when
>> we are not in touch.
>>
>> Blue was a album composed by an Oscar winner whereas Raavan is
>> an album composed by a humble human being who is a music lover.
>>
>> It can be said that ARR experimented a lot with Blue. And, an
>> experiment never fails. It just gives feedback about our
>> theories, confirming some, disproving some other. Seems ARR has
>> taken that feedback of blue and has incorporated it in his style
>> of composition (not the blue style, but the feedback on blue
>> style)

Re: [arr] Re: Blue vs Raavan: curing the oscar aberration

[Gomzy™]

When a composer can compose 2 different genres of music i fail to understand
why cant the listener listen to various genres.

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 7:34 AM, AJ  wrote:

>
>
> Reasons why I like Blue:
>
> Catchy songs
> Couple of nice melody songs
> Crafty arrangements
> Nice sound range
> Multi genre
> Attention to detail
> Rehnuma, Fiqrana, Bhoola Tujhe are my favorites
>
> Reasons why I like Raavan:
> Catchy songs
> All songs are melodious
> Arrangements and sound are spectacular
> Attention to detail even more
> Folk, earthy, semi classical, ethnic, raw
> Emotions are very concentrated
> Each song is truly special overall.
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , V S
> Rawat  wrote:
> >
> > Several members had appreciated Blue music. And now, the same members
> > are immersed in Raavan and praising it.
> >
> > I wonder what exactly one sees/ listens in an album to appreciate it?
> >
> > Blue and Raavan are quite different. And the difference in them is not
> > just technical difference like a difference in classical or bolly
> > songs that one can like some of both categories. There are deeper
> > differences.
> >
> > I think the difference in blue and RAavan is that Blue was technically
> > great without a soul, there was no inherent unity in those songs to
> > weave the songs as a single fabric
> >
> > On the opposite extreme, Raavan is a unified album. There is a
> > underlying common theme in all songs that suggests it could be a
> > single song running for 30 minutes in raavan. Raavan is earthly.
> > Raavan has given us our ARR of 10-15 years ago back to us.
> >
> > Raavan has generated a long thread on thiruda thiruda and all movies
> > of ARR-Mani got discussed.
> >
> > Raavan is launching people on a rendezvous, down memory lane, old is
> > gold, back to the basics.
> >
> > Raavan is making people rediscover and re-explore ARR.
> >
> > What else was discussed with blue? Nothing at all, except that it was
> > a technically great album having new types of sounds.
> >
> > I think all those great and novel sounds are still there in raavan,
> > but hardly anybody is talking about greatness and novelty of sounds in
> > raavan - because there are so many things in raavan to be talked about
> > that its technical supremacy seems to have taken a back seat low down
> > in the list of priorities of things that we love to discuss about
> > music, about ARR's music.
> >
> > Nobody has so far asked "where is ARR's signature in Raavan", the way
> > we had asked where ARR's signatures were in Pappu. Why so? Because we
> > all see ARR's signatures in each and every millisecond of Raavan.
> >
> > At the time of release of Blue, ARR had given a message about people's
> > high expectations after his oscars.
> >
> > I had written then here that if ARR is thinking of people expectations
> > and about oscar, it is a wrong step. I had said that ARR should forget
> > people and forget oscars when he enters his studio and he should
> > create what his heart says.
> >
> > Oscars didn't make ARR creative, ARR's creativity brought Oscars to him.
> >
> > Compare that to Raavan release. No statement by ARR, no mention of
> > people's expectations, no mention of oscar (and even grammy) now.
> > Raavan got released without a word from ARR.
> >
> > And Raavan has stirred the ARR-fandom like none of his albums had
> > stirred in last 10 years, may be after Dil Se.
> >
> > I think, with Raavan, ARR has forgotten about people's expectations
> > and he has put his awardee status in a corner. He is back to become
> > pre-oscar ARR. And his creativity is evident in every beat of Raavan.
> > A creativity that has a soul, unlike the sheer technical creativity of
> > blue.
> >
> > Why should ARR explain his music the way he did in Blue? His music
> > explains itself to us fans and we understand by listening his music
> > when our souls are in touch with ARR's souls and when we are not in
> touch.
> >
> > Blue was a album composed by an Oscar winner whereas Raavan is an
> > album composed by a humble human being who is a music lover.
> >
> > It can be said that ARR experimented a lot with Blue. And, an
> > experiment never fails. It just gives feedback about our theories,
> > confirming some, disproving some other. Seems ARR has taken that
> > feedback of blue and has incorporated it in his style of composition
> > (not the blue style, but the feedback on blue style) to come up with
> > Raavan that has turned out to be abashed heart-stealer.
> >
> > With so many conceptual differences in Blue and Raavan that make both
> > the ablums almost mutually exclusive, how can a person liking blue can
> > now like raavan also, and how can a person liking raavan might have
> > liked blue also?
> >
> > Those persons who appreciates everything, their appreciations get
> > discounted and they are seen as creating a hype. Everything can't be
> > equally great. Such persons need to individually introspect and find
> > what he stands for and what he d

Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

[Madhavan Rajan]

That's indeed shocking to hear! Thanks for the clarification, Gopal...

It's sad that all the technology used in creating the song finally ends up
as a cheap MP3!! Digital release is fine, but why not release it in both cd
quality as well as mp3 quality? I still beleive if we take steps from now,
we can stop this happening for future audio releases...In one interview,
during the pen drive release of blue, AR was talking about distributing high
quality 24 bit music etc...If that happens, all would be happy to buy
digitally...I also believe that the webstore at arrahman.com should start
selling digital music in Indian rupees...

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Gopal Srinivasan wrote:

>
>
> You got one part of the answer right, not the other part. The reason is
> definitely financial but it's financial feasibility and not financial
> challenges. The age of the CD is over. A market like India was never even
> there. The advent of unrestrained mp3 sharing on the internet and the rise
> of the CD as a medium coincided in India.
>
> Let me give you a statistic, shocking but true. How many CDs of Slumdog
> Millionaire do you think T-Series sold in India? All of 60,000. And T-Series
> printed Over 500,000 copies. For all the chest beating that we do on forums
> like this, the reality of the day is that nobody pays for music anymore. Who
> in his right mind would want to invest in manufacturing and distributing CDs
> upfront in such a market scenario? How many CDs of the Telugu dubbed version
> of a massive flop do you think will sell? 1000? Can you blame T-Series for
> not releasing the CD? Music labels make money only off mobile ringtones and
> ringback tones and TV and FM licensing in today's world. Whatever CDs they
> do release is purely promotional expenditure, it generates paltry, if any,
> income for them.
>
> There is minimal upfront cost in distributing mp3s through the likes of
> Amazon. That is the route any sensible business would take. I would be
> thankful that T-Series is at least progressive enough to provide us with
> that option rather than not release anything at all.
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10, Rivjot  wrote:
>
>>  It was up on amazon a while back, but will have to buy now, as CDs are
>> not going to be available.
>>
>> Can somebody please answer why many of Rahman music are not releasing on
>> CD? There are has been several instances in last few months.. makes me feel
>> there are financial problems (how can there be financial problems associated
>> with Rahman's music and how can money get into the way of music?). I am
>> extremely confused and very eager to know the reason.
>>
>> Gops / Vijay, if possible, please give some explanation instead of just
>> saying "no physical CD release" everytime.
>>
>> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The soundtrack is available from
>> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UDUU00/ref=dm_ty_alb
>> >
>> > There will be no physical CD release as things stand.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Are you searching for a reason, to be kind?
>> 
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RE: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

[wiredbeats .]

I have few thoughts here.


Indian's are by far very poor CD buyers. And only few agents were resposible 
for the CD sales as such in India and Rahman played a huge role in that. Now 
the market is very disoriented. None of them are able to tackle piracy and the 
only way is the surrender to the trend and release MP3s. This is actually like 
going back to stone age.

 

If you look at the data (depending on the source), you might note that globally 
CD sales have fallen by as much as 15% (adjustments to recession included). 
India for the size that we are and that too with the world's largest film 
factory, with most number of songs,  sells lesser CDs than 
denmark,sweden,norway. Basically countries smaller than most indian states.

 

This is because, we like music and want it fast and we won't mind downloading 
from anywhere. Lets check it ourselves. Those who claim they have the entire 
collection of rahman's works, do we have all original ACDs or cassesetes as 
applicable?

secondly, The whole listening fashion is changed to iPODs. So even if we buy a 
disc, we would most probably rip it and put them into an iPOD or make it part 
of a compilation MP3 disc. 

 

Thirdly, people are not so concious of 'fidilety'. Many actually don;t care 
about it, as long as the tracks sound loud! ( refer loudness war). And what 
they need, they get it from Mp3s.

 

Lastly, a delay of indian release of some big ticket films is suicidal. 
Everyone had watched slumdog and everyone had the tracks when T-series decided 
to release. Same for couples retreat. Theres a huge opportunity loss here.

 

If people as a market were concious of taste, then CD sales won't drop and 
Worldspace radio wont go bankrupt to shut shop.

 

So...start buying CDs. Not only Rahman's. All the music you like. 


 


To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
From: catchg...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:27:33 +0530
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

  



You got one part of the answer right, not the other part. The reason is 
definitely financial but it's financial feasibility and not financial 
challenges. The age of the CD is over. A market like India was never even 
there. The advent of unrestrained mp3 sharing on the internet and the rise of 
the CD as a medium coincided in India. 


Let me give you a statistic, shocking but true. How many CDs of Slumdog 
Millionaire do you think T-Series sold in India? All of 60,000. And T-Series 
printed Over 500,000 copies. For all the chest beating that we do on forums 
like this, the reality of the day is that nobody pays for music anymore. Who in 
his right mind would want to invest in manufacturing and distributing CDs 
upfront in such a market scenario? How many CDs of the Telugu dubbed version of 
a massive flop do you think will sell? 1000? Can you blame T-Series for not 
releasing the CD? Music labels make money only off mobile ringtones and 
ringback tones and TV and FM licensing in today's world. Whatever CDs they do 
release is purely promotional expenditure, it generates paltry, if any, income 
for them.


There is minimal upfront cost in distributing mp3s through the likes of Amazon. 
That is the route any sensible business would take. I would be thankful that 
T-Series is at least progressive enough to provide us with that option rather 
than not release anything at all.


On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10, Rivjot  wrote:

It was up on amazon a while back, but will have to buy now, as CDs are not 
going to be available.

Can somebody please answer why many of Rahman music are not releasing on CD? 
There are has been several instances in last few months.. makes me feel there 
are financial problems (how can there be financial problems associated with 
Rahman's music and how can money get into the way of music?). I am extremely 
confused and very eager to know the reason.

Gops / Vijay, if possible, please give some explanation instead of just saying 
"no physical CD release" everytime.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan  wrote:
>
> The soundtrack is available from
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UDUU00/ref=dm_ty_alb
>
> There will be no physical CD release as things stand.
>






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RE: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

[Anand Bharathan]

This is bad news, man. If CD sales are dwindling then what is going to
happen to CD quality music? Where is the motivation for a MD to
revolutionize on sound? I can understand the commercial aspects. I am not
too concerned about a Telugu Blue or a Hindi Sivaji but what about the real
stuff in future? 

 

 

From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gopal Srinivasan
Sent: 30 December, 2009 9:58 AM
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

 

  

You got one part of the answer right, not the other part. The reason is
definitely financial but it's financial feasibility and not financial
challenges. The age of the CD is over. A market like India was never even
there. The advent of unrestrained mp3 sharing on the internet and the rise
of the CD as a medium coincided in India. 

 

Let me give you a statistic, shocking but true. How many CDs of Slumdog
Millionaire do you think T-Series sold in India? All of 60,000. And T-Series
printed Over 500,000 copies. For all the chest beating that we do on forums
like this, the reality of the day is that nobody pays for music anymore. Who
in his right mind would want to invest in manufacturing and distributing CDs
upfront in such a market scenario? How many CDs of the Telugu dubbed version
of a massive flop do you think will sell? 1000? Can you blame T-Series for
not releasing the CD? Music labels make money only off mobile ringtones and
ringback tones and TV and FM licensing in today's world. Whatever CDs they
do release is purely promotional expenditure, it generates paltry, if any,
income for them.

 

There is minimal upfront cost in distributing mp3s through the likes of
Amazon. That is the route any sensible business would take. I would be
thankful that T-Series is at least progressive enough to provide us with
that option rather than not release anything at all.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10, Rivjot  wrote:

It was up on amazon a while back, but will have to buy now, as CDs are not
going to be available.

Can somebody please answer why many of Rahman music are not releasing on CD?
There are has been several instances in last few months.. makes me feel
there are financial problems (how can there be financial problems associated
with Rahman's music and how can money get into the way of music?). I am
extremely confused and very eager to know the reason.

Gops / Vijay, if possible, please give some explanation instead of just
saying "no physical CD release" everytime.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan  wrote:
>
> The soundtrack is available from
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UDUU00/ref=dm_ty_alb
>
> There will be no physical CD release as things stand.
>






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Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

[V S Rawat]

Government is not going to do anything to curb piracy on its own. 
Government officials and their families themselves must be hearing 
pirated music and seeing pirated movies.

Should we initiate something to drum up support for curbing piracy?

Should we initiate something on places like onlinepetition.com giving 
worrisome these details like you mentioned, and seek people to sign on 
it and when a respectable number of people sign it, then we can get it 
published on newspapers to prompt government to do something about it.

There are lakhs of members totalling from here, from orkut arr groups, 
from facebook, and other places, I think many of them will promptly 
willingly sign on such a petition.

I think even a single PIL (public interest litigation) in Indian 
Supreme Court might make the Judiciary considering issuing directives 
to appropriate authority to initiate action on this front.

Side by side, may be, we can start a blog in which we enlist websites 
that are openly giving music/ movies files for download or giving 
links for free download. If any authorized agency does feel moved to 
do anything on this count, then such a list will come handy for them 
to start working, by making such sites delete their pirated content.

I thing doing at least soemething is need of the moment instead of 
just lamenting here on the prevalent state of affairs. Mentioned above 
are some minimal things that we can do within our limited time and 
putting minimum money for this cause.

Anyone willing to participate in this effort may please come forward. 
A core group needs to be formed first to coordinate on such efforts. I 
wonder if Vijay would like to volunteer for playing a key role in this 
effort.

--
Rawat

On 12/30/2009 11:27 AM India Time, _Gopal Srinivasan_ wrote:

> You got one part of the answer right, not the other part. The reason is 
> definitely financial but it's financial feasibility and not financial 
> challenges. The age of the CD is over. A market like India was never 
> even there. The advent of unrestrained mp3 sharing on the internet and 
> the rise of the CD as a medium coincided in India. 
> 
> Let me give you a statistic, shocking but true. How many CDs of Slumdog 
> Millionaire do you think T-Series sold in India? All of 60,000. And 
> T-Series printed Over 500,000 copies. For all the chest beating that we 
> do on forums like this, the reality of the day is that nobody pays for 
> music anymore. Who in his right mind would want to invest 
> in manufacturing and distributing CDs upfront in such a market scenario? 
> How many CDs of the Telugu dubbed version of a massive flop do you think 
> will sell? 1000? Can you blame T-Series for not releasing the CD? Music 
> labels make money only off mobile ringtones and ringback tones and TV 
> and FM licensing in today's world. Whatever CDs they do release is 
> purely promotional expenditure, it generates paltry, if any, income for 
> them.
> 
> There is minimal upfront cost in distributing mp3s through the likes of 
> Amazon. That is the route any sensible business would take. I would be 
> thankful that T-Series is at least progressive enough to provide us with 
> that option rather than not release anything at all.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10, Rivjot  > wrote:
> 
> It was up on amazon a while back, but will have to buy now, as CDs
> are not going to be available.
> 
> Can somebody please answer why many of Rahman music are not
> releasing on CD? There are has been several instances in last few
> months.. makes me feel there are financial problems (how can there
> be financial problems associated with Rahman's music and how can
> money get into the way of music?). I am extremely confused and very
> eager to know the reason.
> 
> Gops / Vijay, if possible, please give some explanation instead of
> just saying "no physical CD release" everytime.
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> , Gopal Srinivasan
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > The soundtrack is available from
>  > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UDUU00/ref=dm_ty_alb
>  >
>  > There will be no physical CD release as things stand.
>  >
> 

Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

[Farzad Khaleel]

Gops, you said it !  I think that will clear all the doubts to the people
who ask for Sivaji Hindi, Boys Hindi, ARR BgM Cd's etc. Except we people,
I don't think any other normal guy will buy a dubbed version of Blue
or Hindi version of Sivaji.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Gopal Srinivasan wrote:

>
>
> You got one part of the answer right, not the other part. The reason is
> definitely financial but it's financial feasibility and not financial
> challenges. The age of the CD is over. A market like India was never even
> there. The advent of unrestrained mp3 sharing on the internet and the rise
> of the CD as a medium coincided in India.
>
> Let me give you a statistic, shocking but true. How many CDs of Slumdog
> Millionaire do you think T-Series sold in India? All of 60,000. And T-Series
> printed Over 500,000 copies. For all the chest beating that we do on forums
> like this, the reality of the day is that nobody pays for music anymore. Who
> in his right mind would want to invest in manufacturing and distributing CDs
> upfront in such a market scenario? How many CDs of the Telugu dubbed version
> of a massive flop do you think will sell? 1000? Can you blame T-Series for
> not releasing the CD? Music labels make money only off mobile ringtones and
> ringback tones and TV and FM licensing in today's world. Whatever CDs they
> do release is purely promotional expenditure, it generates paltry, if any,
> income for them.
>
> There is minimal upfront cost in distributing mp3s through the likes of
> Amazon. That is the route any sensible business would take. I would be
> thankful that T-Series is at least progressive enough to provide us with
> that option rather than not release anything at all.
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10, Rivjot  wrote:
>
>> It was up on amazon a while back, but will have to buy now, as CDs are not
>> going to be available.
>>
>> Can somebody please answer why many of Rahman music are not releasing on
>> CD? There are has been several instances in last few months.. makes me feel
>> there are financial problems (how can there be financial problems associated
>> with Rahman's music and how can money get into the way of music?). I am
>> extremely confused and very eager to know the reason.
>>
>> Gops / Vijay, if possible, please give some explanation instead of just
>> saying "no physical CD release" everytime.
>>
>> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The soundtrack is available from
>> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UDUU00/ref=dm_ty_alb
>> >
>> > There will be no physical CD release as things stand.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Are you searching for a reason, to be kind?
>> 
>> Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic.
>> Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community.
>>
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>>
>  
>



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Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

[Ramesh R]

I agree entirely with what Gops said. It's a sad reality that the market for 
cds is dwindling. Digital releases seem to be the way out and we should be glad 
for it. Besides it's easier to release things on schedule this way.

I hope that with the low entry cost in the future we can have digital releases 
of scores. Try to remember how many scores were promised a cd release and they 
never materialized (Provoked, Mangal Pandey, Sivaji, Rang De Basanti). 
Perhaps things will be different now.






From: Gopal Srinivasan 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 11:57:33 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

 ...


There is minimal upfront cost in distributing mp3s through the likes of Amazon. 
That is the route any sensible business would take. I would be thankful that 
T-Series is at least progressive enough to provide us with that option rather 
than not release anything at all.



  

Re: [arr] Re: Blue Telugu

[Gopal Srinivasan]

You got one part of the answer right, not the other part. The reason is
definitely financial but it's financial feasibility and not financial
challenges. The age of the CD is over. A market like India was never even
there. The advent of unrestrained mp3 sharing on the internet and the rise
of the CD as a medium coincided in India.

Let me give you a statistic, shocking but true. How many CDs of Slumdog
Millionaire do you think T-Series sold in India? All of 60,000. And T-Series
printed Over 500,000 copies. For all the chest beating that we do on forums
like this, the reality of the day is that nobody pays for music anymore. Who
in his right mind would want to invest in manufacturing and distributing CDs
upfront in such a market scenario? How many CDs of the Telugu dubbed version
of a massive flop do you think will sell? 1000? Can you blame T-Series for
not releasing the CD? Music labels make money only off mobile ringtones and
ringback tones and TV and FM licensing in today's world. Whatever CDs they
do release is purely promotional expenditure, it generates paltry, if any,
income for them.

There is minimal upfront cost in distributing mp3s through the likes of
Amazon. That is the route any sensible business would take. I would be
thankful that T-Series is at least progressive enough to provide us with
that option rather than not release anything at all.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:10, Rivjot  wrote:

> It was up on amazon a while back, but will have to buy now, as CDs are not
> going to be available.
>
> Can somebody please answer why many of Rahman music are not releasing on
> CD? There are has been several instances in last few months.. makes me feel
> there are financial problems (how can there be financial problems associated
> with Rahman's music and how can money get into the way of music?). I am
> extremely confused and very eager to know the reason.
>
> Gops / Vijay, if possible, please give some explanation instead of just
> saying "no physical CD release" everytime.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan 
> wrote:
> >
> > The soundtrack is available from
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UDUU00/ref=dm_ty_alb
> >
> > There will be no physical CD release as things stand.
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Are you searching for a reason, to be kind?
> 
> Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic.
> Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community.
>
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> Admin: ad...@arrahmanfans.com
> To Subscribe: arrahmanfans-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
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> Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [arr] Re: Blue

[murali tharan]

Guys, I Have watched Blue with my friends on saturday night...it was a good 
action packed movie...I dont know y people commented too much..sometimes our 
comments will kill a good film which is worth to watch..dont expect too much 
but still its a very very good movie. The music..mind blowing esp. bgms...extra 
power. The bgms made the film above its class esp. underwater scenes bgm..esp 
the scene where the father n son dived into the sea to look for the ship and 
when 3 of them dived to look for treasures. Fantastic..to all ARR Fans..will 
enjoy every piece of boss music so go now and watch the movie..
 
Chiggy Wiggy...the best...
Rehnuma...from slow to fast
Boole Tujhe..fantastic..suitable for the scene (My fav)
Fiqrana..another Jai Ho(End Credit)
Blue Themevery stylish..(person who said its sounds like bol..must 
clean their ears...)
 
thanks guys..n tc. For info...Couples Retreat will be released on 12.12.2009 in 
Malaysia..
 
Murali

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, ichord  wrote:


From: ichord 
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 6:29 PM


  



I think it's a great song from start to finish!

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Anish Gupte  wrote:
>
> Guys,
> I have not seen the movie 'Blue' yet...mayb ill watch if i feel like ...(
> dont particularly feel like watching it now)..
> but anyway...i have developed a new, stronger liking towards the song
> 'Bhoola Tujhe'...i heard it like 3 times in a row last night..
> 
> I had never done that fr any song from Blue before this. Ive really started
> to like it now...a good song..even when i heard the album the first time, id
> liked this song the most...quite splendid.
> 
> 
> Anish.
>

















  

RE: [arr] Re: Blue film

[Noor Habib]

I totaly agree dude. ARR, we can say is one of the best versatile
composers in the world.



From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ichord
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:49 AM
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue film


  

Excellent point Praka about how ARR is so versatile, able to score music
for film like JA on one hand and Blue on the other. Nobody other than
ARR can do that.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
 , "praka_here" 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi friends
> 
> This is my opinion...i saw blue film today and found it an average
film...but even then some scenes were exciting...The underwater scnes
are shot VERY well ...regarding music .. i am happy that rahman sir has
done this film's music..We fans can tell proudly that our boss can do
these kind of music also!!! Those bgm of the bike chasing scenes..they
are Excellent...It is like two extremes..songs and BGMs of jodha akbar
on one end and at the other it is blue...a classic and the other an
action film!!! it shows his variety and the difference he can bring..!! 
> 
> After watching the film one song is haunting me..it is 'Bhoola
Tujhe'..the song is perfect for the situation!!!
>




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Re: [arr] Re: Blue Music Topping Charts

[hiten shah]

This might be because of new benchmark SDM & Delhi6 has set where almost
every song was a super duper hit.

Blue is truely exceptional and altogether new cooked recipe, I will always
appreciate and welcome this kind-a-effort...

BTW Fiqrana and chigy wiggy has started growing huge in crowd... will soon
bhula tujhe  will be superhit...

Happy Diwali!!

Jai ho

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:17 AM, ichord  wrote:

>
>
> Yeah, it's about taste. I am actually surprised that I took to Blue so
> much. Usually, my tastes are much more semi classical/raaga based, but for
> some reason, Blue has me hooked!
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Din, D, Nesh"  wrote:
> >
> > Taste differs. I on the other hand find BLUE album the most complete
> album ever since Kangalal Kaithi Sei, which was released in 2003. Both these
> albums (Kangalal Kaithi Sei and Blue) are the albums i find to have the most
> "ARR" factor in the recent years.
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Vasu"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Blue" I would say least heard album of arr, i know few guys here will
> shout on me after this messege.
> > >
> > > many of us know that BLUE dosent have rahman touch @ all, but none will
> accept it
> > >
> > > jai ho
> > > arr
> > >
> > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "ichord"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.naachgaana.com/2009/10/15/a-few-musical-myths/#comments
> > > >
> > > > This is how the chart for this week looks like:
> > > > 1Blue (T-Series)
> > > > 2Wake Up Sid (Sony)
> > > > 3Whats Your Raashee? (Sony)
> > > > 4Tum Mile (Sony)
> > > > 5Dil Bole Hadippa! (Yash Raj)
> > > > 6Love Aaj Kal (Eros)
> > > > 7Kaminey (T-Series)
> > > > 8Wanted (T-Series)
> > > > 9Main Aurr Mrs Khanna (T-Series)
> > > > 10London Dreams (T-Series
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: Blue Music Topping Charts

[V S Rawat]

On 10/16/2009 7:22 PM India Time, _Jahanzeb_ wrote:

> same is true for me too. though I liked the album a lot but somehow I
> am not listening to it as much as I normally do for ARR albums after
> their release. it was on repeat on my playlist for like 2 weeks after
> its release but now it is seldom there. this of course is a downside
> of a commercial (yet rocking) album like Blue; though it is instant
> hit but not long-lasting.
> 
> 
> - Jahanzeb

Till, songs used to grow on listeners, we now get a category of songs that 
grow-down on listeners. 

I think that initial response to an album depends on past experiences people 
have had with the same brand (be it MD, production house, director, etc.). 
People who had liked earlier creations by someone expect that person's new 
creations also to be likeable. But, when they experience what actually is in 
the new creation, it reinforces or contradicts their expectations and they 
might change their opinion for better or for worse.

That is why Blue got an initial response on the high tide of ARR having got so 
many awards. But, after listening to it, and after seeing the movie, people 
seem to modifying their opinions about Blue and about ARR as described above.

Yuvvraj movie was bad and it flopped, but its music was good.

D6 movie was bad and it flopped, but its music was excellent.

I wonder what people now feel about blue movie and blue music. It is still 
first day of the movie and box office has unpredictable ways of unfolding. I 
don't know whether the movie is going to flop very badly, and I will be utterly 
surprised if blue movie becomes a hit. For sure, blue movie is not going to 
help people find blue music better. 

The sad part is: blue music has a lot of experimentation by our man. A richness 
of music, it is lavish, complex, multifaceted. All that has a lot of 
possibilities which ARR might have thought to explore and add in the future 
albums. But if blue music is not rated good enough, people and even ARR himself 
might think that all these experimentations have no takers and ARR might decide 
to stop/ reduce all experimenting and to stop/ reduce further exploring this 
line of experimentation. If it happens it will be sad because experimentation 
is essential part of variety and innovation. ARR should continue experimenting 
as always.

If at all any lesson needs to be learnt by ARR by blue fiasco, it is: Choose 
the films carefully. work with directors who give more/ complete freedom to him 
to compose music, even if they are new and even if their films are not big 
budgets. Avoid high flying names. None of this conclusion is new. We all know 
these, we all have said it many times, but it does get reinforced by blue.

--
Rawat

RE: [arr] Re: Blue Music Topping Charts

[Noor Habib]

Blue is a mind blowing album dude. I just LOVE it!



From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of $ Pavan Kumar $
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:06 PM
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue Music Topping Charts


  

Least heard album of ARR?? LOL, hold on, in coming days we will get
sales figures and how it is on top of most of the chartseven after
this if you feel its least heard..then. 

Blue doesnt have rahman touch? That is your opinion..and I really feel
pity for you..



From: Vasu 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 8:43:19 AM
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue Music Topping Charts

  

"Blue" I would say least heard album of arr, i know few guys here will
shout on me after this messege.

many of us know that BLUE dosent have rahman touch @ all, but none will
accept it

jai ho 
arr

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> , "ichord" 
wrote:
>
> http://www.naachgaana.com/2009/10/15/a-few-musical-myths/#comments
<http://www.naachgaana.com/2009/10/15/a-few-musical-myths/#comments> 
> 
> This is how the chart for this week looks like:
> 1Blue (T-Series)
> 2Wake Up Sid (Sony)
> 3Whats Your Raashee? (Sony)
> 4Tum Mile (Sony)
> 5Dil Bole Hadippa! (Yash Raj)
> 6Love Aaj Kal (Eros)
> 7Kaminey (T-Series)
> 8Wanted (T-Series)
> 9Main Aurr Mrs Khanna (T-Series)
> 10London Dreams (T-Series
>




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Re: [arr] Re: Blue Music Topping Charts

[$ Pavan Kumar $]

Least heard album of ARR?? LOL, hold on, in coming days we will get sales 
figures and how it is on top of most of the chartseven after this if you 
feel its least heard..then.

Blue doesnt have rahman touch? That is your opinion..and I really feel pity for 
you..




From: Vasu 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 8:43:19 AM
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue Music Topping Charts

  
"Blue" I would say least heard album of arr, i know few guys here will shout on 
me after this messege.

many of us know that BLUE dosent have rahman touch @ all, but none will accept 
it

jai ho 
arr

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "ichord"  wrote:
>
> http://www.naachgaana.com/2009/10/15/a-few-musical-myths/#comments
> 
> This is how the chart for this week looks like:
> 1Blue (T-Series)
> 2Wake Up Sid (Sony)
> 3Whats Your Raashee? (Sony)
> 4Tum Mile (Sony)
> 5Dil Bole Hadippa! (Yash Raj)
> 6Love Aaj Kal (Eros)
> 7Kaminey (T-Series)
> 8Wanted (T-Series)
> 9Main Aurr Mrs Khanna (T-Series)
> 10London Dreams (T-Series
>


   

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Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[|| V i s h w e s h ||]

Well, it's just a simple suggestion to keep this group  tidier, cleaner. It's 
for the same "speck of dust" reasoning you gave, but in my way, cleaning that 
speck of dust means deleting that mail. ;-) Some agree with me on that, some 
don't, it's as simple as that. Also, I simply don't have time & will to write 
thousands of replies,
just because I love AR, which I absolutely do, as much as any Rahmaniac on this
planet!

I strongly feel that AR needs no defending... his years of quality work, 
unlimited creativity, astounding versatility, unbelievable consistency & above 
all,  his humble personality... all speaks for itself...


" The search is more important than the destination "
- a r rahman -





From: Gayathri Chandrakasan 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 5 October, 2009 8:18:58 AM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
Yes, I understand your point Vishwesh and I totally agree with you. These sort 
of comments do arise from time to time and more often than not, the original 
author hardly reverts with any justifications on his earlier comments.

So why do I, or the others keep responding to them? I can't speak for the 
others, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the love that I have for ARR and his 
music which prompts me to do so. Some call it possessiveness, some might think 
of it as a wasted effort. But I have always stand up for what I believe & love, 
and I believe in ARR's music more than anything else in the world. Thus, if I 
have to respond to hundreds, even thousands of articles which bad-mouths ARR, I 
will still do so willingly. 

Yes, like you said it's better to keep quiet and ignore those mails, but I 
would never do so. If there's a speck of dust in your house, would you ignore 
it? Some might but I wouldn't. I would rather clean the speck of dust before it 
turns the whole house into a heap of rubbish. Likewise, I akin these mails to 
the speck of dust. I would rather speak up and gain the self-contentment of 
preventing them from contaminating ARR's music, than ignore the comments and 
develop a hatred towards all non-ARR fans as a result of it.

And believe me, I have nothing against those who choose to ignore these "junk 
mails". I know many think it's baseless to respond to such mails. That's 
totally your choice and you're not wrong in doing so. But I'm just saying that 
I would still respond to them no matter how baseless/unjustifia ble/groundless 
it is, cos'...well, this is how I am and I'm not wrong either.


--- On Sat, 10/3/09, || V i s h w e s h ||  wrote:


>From: || V i s h w e s h || 
>Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:27 PM
>
>
>>
>
>
>  > 
>Well, believe me, they don't. I'm  a member here for 6-7 years & I know. Every 
>so often, these negative one liners pops up and we  good-hearted people try to 
>explain them about evolution in  AR's music over the years & such, but the 
>original poster is long gone!! So... many a times, it's pretty much a wasted 
>effort. This has become like a routine thing here & it's no way a good routine 
>IMO...
>
> 
>" The search is more important than the destination "
>- a r rahman -
>
>
>
>
>

From: Sreekrishnan R 
>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:25:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
>
>  > 
>Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them!
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: || V i s h w e s h || 
>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking
> soul
>
>  > 
>When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention 
>seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the 
>times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, 
>trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff 
>again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at 
>all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no 
>matter how or what we tell them.
>
>So just try to think about this next time...
>
> 
>
>" The search is more important than the destination "
>- a r
> rahman -
>
>
>
>
>

From: ichord 
>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
&

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[Gayathri Chandrakasan]

Yes, I understand your point Vishwesh and I totally agree with you. These sort 
of comments do arise from time to time and more often than not, the original 
author hardly reverts with any justifications on his earlier comments.

So why do I, or the others keep responding to them? I can't speak for the 
others, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the love that I have for ARR and his 
music which prompts me to do so. Some call it possessiveness, some might think 
of it as a wasted effort. But I have always stand up for what I believe & love, 
and I believe in ARR's music more than anything else in the world. Thus, if I 
have to respond to hundreds, even thousands of articles which bad-mouths ARR, I 
will still do so willingly. 

Yes, like you said it's better to keep quiet and ignore those mails, but I 
would never do so. If there's a speck of dust in your house, would you ignore 
it? Some might but I wouldn't. I would rather clean the speck of dust before it 
turns the whole house into a heap of rubbish. Likewise, I akin these mails to 
the speck of dust. I would rather speak up and gain the self-contentment of 
preventing them from contaminating ARR's music, than ignore the comments and 
develop a hatred towards all non-ARR fans as a result of it.

And believe me, I have nothing against those who choose to ignore these "junk 
mails". I know many think it's baseless to respond to such mails. That's 
totally your choice and you're not wrong in doing so. But I'm just saying that 
I would still respond to them no matter how baseless/unjustifiable/groundless 
it is, cos'...well, this is how I am and I'm not wrong either.


--- On Sat, 10/3/09, || V i s h w e s h ||  wrote:

From: || V i s h w e s h || 
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:27 PM






 





  Well, believe me, they don't. I'm  a member here for 6-7 
years & I know. Every so often, these negative one liners pops up and we  
good-hearted people try to explain them about evolution in  AR's music over the 
years & such, but the original poster is long gone!! So... many a times, it's 
pretty much a wasted effort. This has become like a routine thing here & it's 
no way a good routine IMO...
 " The search is more important than the destination "  - a r rahman -

From: Sreekrishnan R 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul







 


  Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them!


From: || V i s h w e s h || 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking
 soul







 


  When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line 
negative mail attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners 
about AR & (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on 
replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to 
explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the first 
place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand 
these things no matter how or what we tell them.

So just try to think about this next time...

 
" The search is more important than the destination "  - a r
 rahman -

From: ichord 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul







 


  Gayathri,



You hit it spot on!  Exactly my thoughts too.  ARR moves forward, not 
backwards.  It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia 
with quality either.



--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan  wrote:

>

> I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after 
> the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he 
> loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is 
> that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed 
> earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to 
> compose for a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an 
> example by which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic 
> raaga. 

>  

> Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and 
> ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs 
> here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different 
> flavour to his songs and thinking out of

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[Basha]

Yes, absolutely you are cent percent correct. those who are all commenting in 
negative manner really they are ungrowth fellows. they dont want changes in 
their life. But our boss he is experimenting by pushing new things in the 
Indian music. 

these guys making us time pass with our comments. so better just press delete 
button and go for next mail message.
 
thanks
 
basha
 
"All Praise to God"

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, || V i s h w e s h ||  wrote:


From: || V i s h w e s h || 
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:27 AM


  




You don't have to reply to every tom, dick & harry who says something negative 
about AR or his music. Some people never learn or understand or change... so 
sometimes it's best to just ignore them & move on.

If someone puts their thoughts in sensible enough way, then you can reply to 
those coz you at least know that they are serious enough to gather their 
thoughts & put it here properly. But about these "one line mailers", I think 
it's best to press Delete button & move on...

 

" The search is more important than the destination "
- a r rahman -






From: V S Rawat 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:02:36 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  

On 10/3/2009 7:21 PM India Time, _|| V i s h w e s h ||_ wrote:

> When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail 
> attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & 
> (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on 
> replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to 
> explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the 
> first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna 
> learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them.
> 
> So just try to think about this next time...

What is the option? We can't really let someone saying bad things about boss' 
music. We have to reply.

--
Rawat




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Re: Kawaali in Kahna hi kya vs Chaand Sifarish (Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul)

[hiten shah]

Rahman's interlude is one of all time favourites in Kehna hi kya...
Thts whn I fell in Love with Rahmans music..



On 10/3/09, V S Rawat  wrote:
>
>
>
> "I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different flavour to his
> songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from others."
>
> Well said, ma'm.
>
> Indeed. That is the essence of ARR. I still remember the goose pimples I
> used to get from Bombay's Kahna Hi kya heaing the kawaali used in such an
> innovative soothing way. And that was the beginning. Boss has given many
> such new combo.
>
> Btw, kawaali as a background mix brings "Chaand Sifarish" of Fanaa to my
> mind, that was a recent song by Jatin Lalit that has similar kawaali type of
> effect in that subhan allaah. The song is indeed pleasant but it wouldn't
> match even a bit of the magic that ARR had created in Kahna hi kya, so it
> has been some 13-14 years after Kahna Hi kya that no other MD has been able
> to match what ARR did then.
>
> --
>
> On 10/2/2009 7:47 PM India Time, _Gayathri Chandrakasan_ wrote:
>
> > I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just
> > after the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him,
> > said that he loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the
> > problem he faces is that the particular song ends up sounding similar to
> > a song composed earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are
> > not usually used to compose for a particular situation...he gave Hai
> > Raama of Rangeela as an example by which a seductive song was
> > composed using a classical carnatic raaga.
> >
> > Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and
> > ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs
> > here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in
> > different flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets
> > him apart from others.
> >
> > But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not
> > mean that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he
> > has only developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and
> > compose a song in a customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he
> > created. He keeps creating new genres in music and moves forward.
> >
> > But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only
> > tend to think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of
> > words such as "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs"
> > etc. But come to think of it, how long do you want him to sit and
> > compose songs like Kadhal rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love
> > these songs. I truly believe these songs are amazing and stunning
> > numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa and Newyork Nagaram.
> >
> > It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR
> > has painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want
> > him to stay to where he was 17 years ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On *Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh 
> > />/*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Din, D, Nesh 
> >
> > Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
> > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM
> >
> >
> > lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this
> > gentleman who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these
> > days A.R.Rahman doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days
> > during 90s annd he too confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses
> > carnatic tunes/raagams and such. It could be this that nowdays some
> > fans say he has lost his 90s touch coz he hardly uses carnatic
> > tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his Hindi tracks as well.
> > He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. Maybe some
> > music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess
> > thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this?
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> > <
> http://us.mc590.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com
> >,
> > "sriramvr_in"  wrote:
> > >
> > > must be due to less time available to him.
>
> 
>

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[|| V i s h w e s h ||]

Well, believe me, they don't. I'm  a member here for 6-7 years & I know. Every 
so often, these negative one liners pops up and we  good-hearted people try to 
explain them about evolution in  AR's music over the years & such, but the 
original poster is long gone!! So... many a times, it's pretty much a wasted 
effort. This has become like a routine thing here & it's no way a good routine 
IMO...

 
" The search is more important than the destination "
- a r rahman -





From: Sreekrishnan R 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them!






From: || V i s h w e s h || 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention 
seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the 
times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, 
trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff 
again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at 
all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no 
matter how or what we tell them.

So just try to think about this next time...

 

" The search is more important than the destination "
- a r rahman -





From: ichord 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
Gayathri,

You hit it spot on!  Exactly my thoughts too.  ARR moves forward, not 
backwards.  It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia 
with quality either.

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan  wrote:
>
> I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after 
> the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he 
> loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is 
> that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed earlier. 
> To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to compose for 
> a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an example by 
> which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic raaga. 
>  
> Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and 
> ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs 
> here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different 
> flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from 
> others.
>  
> But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean 
> that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only 
> developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a 
> customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps 
> creating new genres in music and moves forward. 
>  
> But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to 
> think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as 
> "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to 
> think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal 
> rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe 
> these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa 
> and Newyork Nagaram. 
>  
> It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has 
> painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to 
> stay to where he was 17 years ago.
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Din, D, Nesh 
> Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
> To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman 
> who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman 
> doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too 
> confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and 
> such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch 
> coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to 

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[|| V i s h w e s h ||]

You don't have to reply to every tom, dick & harry who says something negative 
about AR or his music. Some people never learn or  understand or change... so 
sometimes it's best to just ignore them & move on.

If someone puts their thoughts in sensible enough way, then you can reply to 
those coz you at least know that they are serious enough to gather their 
thoughts & put it here properly. But about these  "one line mailers", I think 
it's best to press Delete button & move on...

 
" The search is more important than the destination "
- a r rahman -





From: V S Rawat 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 10:02:36 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
On 10/3/2009 7:21 PM India Time, _|| V i s h w e s h ||_ wrote:

> When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail 
> attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & 
> (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on 
> replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to 
> explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the 
> first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna 
> learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them.
> 
> So just try to think about this next time...

What is the option? We can't really let someone saying bad things about boss' 
music. We have to reply.

--
Rawat


   


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Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[Sreekrishnan R]

Who knows 'him/her' are atleast reading the replies for them!






From: || V i s h w e s h || 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 7:21:36 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention 
seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the 
times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, 
trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff 
again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at 
all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no 
matter how or what we tell them.

So just try to think about this next time...

 

" The search is more important than the destination "
- a r rahman -





From: ichord 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
Gayathri,

You hit it spot on!  Exactly my thoughts too.  ARR moves forward, not 
backwards.  It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia 
with quality either.

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan  wrote:
>
> I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after 
> the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he 
> loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is 
> that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed earlier. 
> To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to compose for 
> a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an example by 
> which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic raaga. 
>  
> Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and 
> ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs 
> here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different 
> flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from 
> others.
>  
> But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean 
> that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only 
> developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a 
> customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps 
> creating new genres in music and moves forward. 
>  
> But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to 
> think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as 
> "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to 
> think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal 
> rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe 
> these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa 
> and Newyork Nagaram. 
>  
> It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has 
> painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to 
> stay to where he was 17 years ago.
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Din, D, Nesh 
> Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
> To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman 
> who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman 
> doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too 
> confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and 
> such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch 
> coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his 
> Hindi tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. 
> Maybe some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess 
> thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this?
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "sriramvr_in"  wrote:
> >
> > must be due to less time available to him.
> >
>



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Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[V S Rawat]

On 10/3/2009 7:21 PM India Time, _|| V i s h w e s h ||_ wrote:

> When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail 
> attention seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & 
> (most of the times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on 
> replying to him/her, trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to 
> explain the same stuff again & again & again to these "" who in the 
> first place doesn't care at all about all that. They are never gonna 
> learn/understand these things no matter how or what we tell them.
> 
> So just try to think about this next time...

What is the option? We can't really let someone saying bad things about boss' 
music. We have to reply.

--
Rawat

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[Roshan]

.. and he disappeared into oblivion again. we will see his mail when the
next album releases. till then, good bye, "disappointed, hard-core rahman
fan"

take care and we will never miss you

RIP

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[|| V i s h w e s h ||]

When are we going to learn to neglect these "one line negative mail attention 
seekers"?? They just post some negative one liners about AR & (most of the 
times) disappear completely after that. And we keep on replying to him/her, 
trying to knock some senses into him/her, trying to explain the same stuff 
again & again & again to these "" who in the first place doesn't care at 
all about all that. They are never gonna learn/understand these things no 
matter how or what we tell them.

So just try to think about this next time...

 

" The search is more important than the destination "
- a r rahman -





From: ichord 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 6:16:12 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

  
Gayathri,

You hit it spot on!  Exactly my thoughts too.  ARR moves forward, not 
backwards.  It's ok to have your favorites, but we must not confuse nostalgia 
with quality either.

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Gayathri Chandrakasan  wrote:
>
> I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after 
> the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he 
> loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is 
> that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed earlier. 
> To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to compose for 
> a particular situation... he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an example by 
> which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic raaga. 
>  
> Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and 
> ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs 
> here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different 
> flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from 
> others.
>  
> But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean 
> that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only 
> developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a 
> customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps 
> creating new genres in music and moves forward. 
>  
> But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to 
> think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as 
> "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to 
> think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal 
> rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe 
> these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa 
> and Newyork Nagaram. 
>  
> It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has 
> painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to 
> stay to where he was 17 years ago.
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Din, D, Nesh 
> Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
> To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman 
> who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman 
> doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too 
> confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and 
> such. It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch 
> coz he hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his 
> Hindi tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. 
> Maybe some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess 
> thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this?
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "sriramvr_in"  wrote:
> >
> > must be due to less time available to him.
> >
>


   


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Kawaali in Kahna hi kya vs Chaand Sifarish (Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul)

[V S Rawat]

"I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different flavour to his 
songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from others."

Well said, ma'm.

Indeed. That is the essence of ARR. I still remember the goose pimples I used 
to get from Bombay's Kahna Hi kya heaing the kawaali used in such an innovative 
soothing way. And that was the beginning. Boss has given many such new combo.

Btw, kawaali as a background mix brings "Chaand Sifarish" of Fanaa to my mind, 
that was a recent song by Jatin Lalit that has similar kawaali type of effect 
in that subhan allaah. The song is indeed pleasant but it wouldn't match even a 
bit of the magic that ARR had created in Kahna hi kya, so it has been some 
13-14 years after Kahna Hi kya that no other MD has been able to match what ARR 
did then.

--


On 10/2/2009 7:47 PM India Time, _Gayathri Chandrakasan_ wrote:

> I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just 
> after the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, 
> said that he loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the 
> problem he faces is that the particular song ends up sounding similar to 
> a song composed earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are 
> not usually used to compose for a particular situation...he gave Hai 
> Raama of Rangeela as an example by which a seductive song was 
> composed using a classical carnatic raaga. 
>  
> Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and 
> ghazal in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs 
> here. In fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in 
> different flavour to his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets 
> him apart from others.
>  
> But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not 
> mean that ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he 
> has only developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and 
> compose a song in a customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he 
> created. He keeps creating new genres in music and moves forward.
>  
> But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only 
> tend to think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of 
> words such as "he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" 
> etc. But come to think of it, how long do you want him to sit and 
> compose songs like Kadhal rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love 
> these songs. I truly believe these songs are amazing and stunning 
> numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa and Newyork Nagaram.
>  
> It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR 
> has painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want 
> him to stay to where he was 17 years ago.
>  
> 
> 
> --- On *Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh //* wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Din, D, Nesh 
> Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM
> 
>  
> lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this
> gentleman who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these
> days A.R.Rahman doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days
> during 90s annd he too confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses
> carnatic tunes/raagams and such. It could be this that nowdays some
> fans say he has lost his 90s touch coz he hardly uses carnatic
> tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his Hindi tracks as well.
> He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. Maybe some
> music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess
> thats why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this?
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> 
> ,
> "sriramvr_in"  wrote:
>  >
>  > must be due to less time available to him.

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[Gayathri Chandrakasan]

I remember watching an interview of ARR with actor Vivek...it was just after 
the Oscars. ARR in answering one of the questions posed to him, said that he 
loves to compose songs using a particular raaga but the problem he faces is 
that the particular song ends up sounding similar to a song composed 
earlier. To avoid that, he began to use ragas that are not usually used to 
compose for a particular situation...he gave Hai Raama of Rangeela as an 
example by which a seductive song was composed using a classical carnatic 
raaga. 
 
Probably for the same reasons, ARR has decided to opt for hindustani and ghazal 
in tamil songs as opposed to the carnatic raagas used by most MDs here. In 
fact, I feel that this quality of ARR's i.e bringing in different flavour to 
his songs and thinking out of the box is what sets him apart from others.
 
But whatever said and done, the usage of Northern classical does not mean that 
ARR has lost his 90's touches. He never lost his touches...he has only 
developed his music to a new level. When most MDs sit and compose a song in a 
customary manner, ARR doesn't even stick to what he created. He keeps creating 
new genres in music and moves forward. 
 
But the problem here is that some listeners (his fans included) only tend to 
think his 90's songs as magical and amazing...hence the uses of words such as 
"he lost his touch", "there's no longer soul in his songs" etc. But come to 
think of it, how long do you want him to sit and compose songs like Kadhal 
rojave and Minnale? Don't get me wrong, I love these songs. I truly believe 
these songs are amazing and stunning numbers, but so do songs like Munbe Vaa 
and Newyork Nagaram. 
 
It's kinda distressing that after all the development and changes ARR has 
painfully brought to the Indian music, there are still some who want him to 
stay to where he was 17 years ago.
 


--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Din, D, Nesh  wrote:


From: Din, D, Nesh 
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:21 PM


  



lately, in the hub i chat often, i had an opportunity to chat this gentleman 
who knows carnatic music. i always had a doubt that these days A.R.Rahman 
doesnt use carnatic raag and such like those days during 90s annd he too 
confirmed it. He said nowdays ARR hardly uses carnatic tunes/raagams and such. 
It could be this that nowdays some fans say he has lost his 90s touch coz he 
hardly uses carnatic tunes. He used to use carnatic flavors for his Hindi 
tracks as well. He said Marudhani and Sahana had heavy North flavors. Maybe 
some music experts here like swaps can double confirm with us? I guess thats 
why some fans here say his songs doenst have soul becoz of this?

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "sriramvr_in"  wrote:
>
> must be due to less time available to him.
>

















  

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[Anish Gupte]

Hmm..I dont speak Tamil so have not heard of Rahman's south Indian
albums...but will surely try n grab these songs..

Sorry if I missed sumthing.

Anish.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM, kishore parayath <
kishore.paray...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> @ ANISH GUPTE: Do find time for listening to numbers like "KALLURI SALAI"
> (KADHAL DESAM), "URVASI URVASI" (KADHALAN), MUKKALA MUQABLA (KADHALAN), and
> LAST, but not the least... "NEW (NEW -a 2003 Tamil film starring sj surya)
>
> 
>

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[kishore parayath]

@ ANISH GUPTE: Do find time for listening to numbers like "KALLURI SALAI"
(KADHAL DESAM), "URVASI URVASI" (KADHALAN), MUKKALA MUQABLA (KADHALAN), and
LAST,  but not the least... "NEW (NEW -a 2003 Tamil film starring sj surya)

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[Anish Gupte]

In my opinion, A.R. Rahman is at his distinct best when composing rich,
soulful melodies with suttle sounds and touches. He's not as good at
youthful , pacy music...and i repeat ..hes not at his BEST...that doesnt
mean hes not good...Period.
Anish.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 PM, coolwiz80  wrote:

>   I
>
> Did u expect Dil ne jise apna kaha type of music for Blue ?? then yes u r
> right...
>
> don't confuse ur feelings and expectations with what ARR delivers. Music
> and Content always go hand in hand...thats always been the case with
> Rahman's music. and thats the reason the soundtracks of Blue, Couple's
> retreat, Slumdog Millionaire, JTYJN, Ghajini, and many more have such
> distinct music.
>
> Sirish
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "sriramvr_in"  wrote:
> >
> > must be due to less time available to him.
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: Blue and some recent albums of ARR lacking soul

[kishore parayath]

Those who say BLUE lacks soul...

LISTEN TO REHNUMA
LISTEN TO REHNUMA
LISTEN TO REHNUMA
LISTEN TO REHNUMA
LISTEN TO REHNUMA
LISTEN TO REHNUMA
LISTEN TO REHNUMA
LISTEN TO REHNUMA

LISTEN TO REHNUMA

LISTEN TO REHNUMA

Re: [arr] Re: Blue- Mixed Sounds?

[Anish Gupte]

Hey,
Yes I guess ur right..I cannot comment on how Rahman wanted his songs to
be...However I sumhow didnt connect with his experimentation in Yaar Nila
Thai guess Rahman is most effective when he sticks to his vintage
style...soulful, rich music ...
I think composing club songs and fast paced numbers is not really his
strength.(of course there rae some exceptions...like fanaa, songs from
thakshak etc)...

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM, ichord  wrote:

>
>
> Anish,
>
> Just curious. How do you think specifically that song should have turned
> out? In what ways musically should have happened than what we're hearing?
> Don't you think if AR wasn't happy with the way the song turned out, he
> wouldn't have used it or done another song? Maybe AR was happy with the way
> the song turned out because it met the requirement for the scene in the
> movie, something which we don't yet know.
>
> Even if a song is simple in terms of music, it can still be a good song.
> Not every song ARR creates has to be musically brilliant and complex. It's
> good that Rahman can be simple in his musical approach at timesadds to
> much to his versatility and scope as a composer. In fact, to me, the
> hallmark of a great composer is also the ability to show restraint, not just
> pour it on for every song or composition.
>
> If you don't like the song, that's fine with me. Lot of people don't like
> it, but a lot of people do like it too. But, to assume that the song didn't
> turn out the way Rahman wanted it is quite presumptuous in my opinion.
>
> I know you love ARR and his music, so would never question that.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> Anish Gupte  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys...
> > Hows it goin??
> >
> > looks like my one sentence has generated some pretty exciting
> reactions!!!
> > [?]
> > OK...so let me clarify what I implied...
> >
> > A.R.Rahman probably expected the song (Yaar Mila Tha) to turn out in a
> > certain way. But, unfortunately, in my opinion he has not been successful
> in
> > achieving that standard. The song has not turned out as good as it
> should/or
> > rather could have been.
> >
> >
> > I did not mean to disrespect him..Be rest assured that I have the same
> > feelings fr him as u do (both as a composer and a person)
> >
> > My god!! u guys are really strongly attached to this dude!..
> >
> >
> > Anish
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM, ichord  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I understand your feelings about it. Even I thought it was a bit harsh,
> but
> > > he probably didn't mean it to come out that way.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 
> > >  40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "Jahanzeb"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ichord,
> > > >
> > > > Well it wasn't about disliking a song. I myselft is a harsh critic of
> > > many of his recent songs. I just felt the comment "Rahman screws up big
> > > time" a bit disrespectful, given that we deeply respect him both as a
> > > composer and human-being. Anyway may be this is only me who felt that
> way.
> > > never mind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Jahanzeb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >  40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "ichord"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Tippu,
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's take it easy. Even Rahman fans can be critical of his music
> and
> > > not like one of his songs. To be a Rahman fan, you don't have to like
> each
> > > and every song of his. Come on, man. Let's not get started on who is a
> real
> > > fan, etc. etc., and I have seen comments much, much worse in this
> group.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In 
> > > > > arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "Tippu"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rahman screws up big time..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > are these words coming from a Rahman fan??? surprised, never seen
> > > comments like this before in this group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > Jahanzeb
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In 
> > > > > > arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Anish Gupte  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Guys...I forgot to mention one song in my review
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yaar Mila Tha...Well...what can is say...this song is pretty
> > > > > > > disappointing...i simply cannot understand the hype with this
> > > one..Rahman
> > > > > > > screws up big time...Its nothing but a hish hash of beats...the
> > > singing is
> > > > > > > OK...the song is reasonably catchy...but again...falling very
> short
> > > of
> > > > > > > Rahmans standards..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes...so Rating once again
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Blue: *** (just about)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: Blue- Mixed Sounds?

[Anish Gupte]

Hi Guys...
Hows it goin??

looks like my one sentence has generated some pretty exciting reactions!!!
[?]
OK...so let me clarify what I implied...

A.R.Rahman probably expected the song (Yaar Mila Tha) to turn out in a
certain way. But, unfortunately, in my opinion he has not been successful in
achieving that standard. The song has not turned out as good as it should/or
rather could have been.


I did not mean to disrespect him..Be rest assured that I have the same
feelings fr him as u do (both as a composer and a person)

My god!! u guys are really strongly attached to this dude!..


Anish



On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM, ichord  wrote:

>
>
> I understand your feelings about it. Even I thought it was a bit harsh, but
> he probably didn't mean it to come out that way.
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Jahanzeb"  wrote:
> >
> > ichord,
> >
> > Well it wasn't about disliking a song. I myselft is a harsh critic of
> many of his recent songs. I just felt the comment "Rahman screws up big
> time" a bit disrespectful, given that we deeply respect him both as a
> composer and human-being. Anyway may be this is only me who felt that way.
> never mind.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Jahanzeb
> >
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "ichord"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Tippu,
> > >
> > > Let's take it easy. Even Rahman fans can be critical of his music and
> not like one of his songs. To be a Rahman fan, you don't have to like each
> and every song of his. Come on, man. Let's not get started on who is a real
> fan, etc. etc., and I have seen comments much, much worse in this group.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Tippu"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Rahman screws up big time..
> > > >
> > > > are these words coming from a Rahman fan??? surprised, never seen
> comments like this before in this group.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Jahanzeb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> Anish Gupte  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Guys...I forgot to mention one song in my review
> > > > >
> > > > > Yaar Mila Tha...Well...what can is say...this song is pretty
> > > > > disappointing...i simply cannot understand the hype with this
> one..Rahman
> > > > > screws up big time...Its nothing but a hish hash of beats...the
> singing is
> > > > > OK...the song is reasonably catchy...but again...falling very short
> of
> > > > > Rahmans standards..
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes...so Rating once again
> > > > >
> > > > > Blue: *** (just about)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>
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Re: [arr] Re: Blue- Mixed Sounds?

[wiredbeats]

it all boils down to personal taste and interpretation of rahman's music. Each 
one has a theory on what rahman does best. Being a fan one must never say , 
rahman always does good music. I am full on rahman ..but i do think rahman is 
kind of low in club bangers - like the ones to let you hair loose and dance. 
But he makes it up by giving god level sufi stuff, ballads and themes. No one 
makes a score he does. Just no one.

In that light if i find one or two songs bad then its reasonable.i think thats 
what being a fan is. Critisise and make sure it reaches him. And this is the 
medium.

Regards

Wb

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:50 IST ichord wrote:

>Hey Tippu,
>
>Let's take it easy.  Even Rahman fans can be critical of his music and not 
>like one of his songs.  To be a Rahman fan, you don't have to like each and 
>every song of his.  Come on, man.  Let's not get started on who is a real fan, 
>etc. etc., and I have seen comments much, much worse in this group.
>
>
>--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Tippu"  wrote:
>>
>> > Rahman screws up big time..
>> 
>> are these words coming from a Rahman fan??? surprised, never seen comments 
>> like this before in this group.
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Jahanzeb
>> 
>> 
>> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Anish Gupte  wrote:
>> >
>> > Guys...I forgot to mention one song in my review
>> > 
>> > Yaar Mila Tha...Well...what can is say...this song is pretty
>> > disappointing...i simply cannot understand the hype with this one..Rahman
>> > screws up big time...Its nothing but a hish hash of beats...the singing is
>> > OK...the song is reasonably catchy...but again...falling very short of
>> > Rahmans standards..
>> > 
>> > Yes...so Rating once again
>> > 
>> > Blue: *** (just about)
>> >
>>
>
>



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RE: [arr] Re: Blue - now available in U.A.E

[Noor Habib]

I tried calling up OLI's M3 at tekka. They don't seem to have any latest
collection of ARR though ARR came down for the shop's opening ceremony.
I think they should wake up their ideas..



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On Behalf Of raj
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:49 AM
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue - now available in U.A.E


  

Any clue abt Singapore?

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Re: [arr] Re: blue disappointing (Why fight ?)

[aristocratic bureaucrat]

"rehman touch" -everywhere i see ppl using this term a lot,  if you don't
mind, can you please explain what that is ? Every rahman song HAS got a lot
of hidden stuff that you can enjoy for a life time(personal opinion) what
exactly is that "rahman touch" that you feel is  missing in blue ?

PS:  Not forcing anyone to like/dislike Blue in anyway :)

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:15 AM, chelva kumar wrote:

>
>
> yeah..blue has no soul... it lacks that rehman touch in it.but
> nvrmind...just wait for vinaithandi varuvaaya...
>
> --- On *Mon, 14/9/09, dnshvaidya * wrote:
>
>
> From: dnshvaidya 
> Subject: [arr] Re: blue disappointing (Why fight ?)
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 14 September, 2009, 6:16 PM
>
>   For me, each RAHMAN soundtrack / album is unique and what I do is listen
> to it as an independent work and enjoy it. I don't waste my time in
> comparing it with his earlier albums because there are no measurable units
> or parameters to compare them.
>
> Likes or dislikes are personal and should not be so openly thrown in a
> public forum.
>
> It is like asking from all the creatures of God ( including humans ), which
> one is the best ? How can that comparison be valid when each specie is
> unique and has its own personal traits ?
>
> Enjoy the music and don't fight to prove anything this way or that
> way...
>
> Best regards
> Dinesh Vaidya
> Pune
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. 
> com,
> "badri_becker"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I personally love rahman for his quality compositions but " BLUE" gave me
> the blues sickness and it wasnt his best personally. different people have
> different tastes. the melody was missing for me adn was s earching for the
> meoment where his music will touch my inner strings but it didnt after
> repeated listening.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. 
> > com,
> aristocratic bureaucrat  wrote:
> > >
> > > yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics
> booklet,
> > > the song goes
> > >
> > > khoya sa, paya sa,
> > > saaya sa, soya saa..
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, ichord  wrote:
> > >
>
>
> --
>  New Email names for you!
> 
> Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
> Hurry before someone else does!
> 
>



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Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[wiredbeats]

are you sure? i wonder with his schedule will he read all these. but ya this is 
the REAL voice of the people right from the consumers. I wonder if he does read 
or is briefed. that wud be great.
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From: Vithur 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009 3:19:31 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

  
There is no need to take it to him... he must be aware of all these... he must 
be reading all the hot discussions going on here 


On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:06 PM, riyaz ahamed  wrote:

  
>Pls anyone can take this to ARR .
>
>--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:
>
>
>>From: Arun KB Ganesh 
>>Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>>>>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
>>Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:39 PM
>>
>>
>>  
>>I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set right. Nor 
>>am I interested in doing it.
>> 
>>I believed (I still do) that this is a very valid point I was discussing on, 
>>else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while attending to 
>>my unwell daughter admitted to the hospital. 
>> 
>>Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been haunting 
>>me for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out, period. 
>> 
>>Let me make my intentions very clear, yet again - 
>>I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be 
>>ahead of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his 
>>doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I 
>>can't help it.
>> 
>>I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a 
>>group. Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on, 
>>since it is a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to stop 
>>this discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing this.
>> 
>>I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally - which 
>>does not help serve the purpose of this discussion.
>> 
>>On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>>Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight 
>>>unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is 
>>>doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I 
>>>personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound 
>>>engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a 
>>>perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the 
>>>production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he 
>>>feels they are messing up with his music.  I agree about the loudness (could 
>>>be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the 
>>>orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of 
>>>layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on 
>>>the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare 
>>>for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the 
>>>complex
 layering that he does in his music.
>>> 
>>>I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer 
>>>but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you 
>>>would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward 
>>>album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a 
>>>slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would 
>>>personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our 
>>>boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others 
>>>here.
>>> 
>>>With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to 
>>>strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal 
>>>opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. 
>>> 
>>>thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>From:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com] 
>>>On Behalf Of Arun KB Ganesh
>>>Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM
>>>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
>>>Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>>> 
>>&

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Vithur]

There is no need to take it to him... he must be aware of all these... he
must be reading all the hot discussions going on here

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:06 PM, riyaz ahamed  wrote:

>
>
>   Pls anyone can take this to ARR .
>
> --- On *Mon, 9/14/09, Arun KB Ganesh * wrote:
>
>
> From: Arun KB Ganesh 
> Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:39 PM
>
>I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set
> right. Nor am I interested in doing it.
>
> I believed (I still do) that this is a *very* valid point I was discussing
> on, else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while
> attending to my unwell daughter admitted to the hospital.
>
> Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been
> haunting me for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out,
> period.
>
> Let me make my intentions very clear, *yet again* -
> I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be
> ahead of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his
> doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I
> can't help it.
>
> I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a
> group. Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on,
> since it is a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to
> stop this discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing
> this.
>
> I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally -
> which does not help serve the purpose of this discussion.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan 
> http://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=an...@tmh.ae>
> > wrote:
>
>> Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a
>> slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR
>> is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I
>> personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound
>> engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a
>> perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the
>> production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he
>> feels they are messing up with his music.  I agree about the loudness (could
>> be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the
>> orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of
>> layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on
>> the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare
>> for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the
>> complex layering that he does in his music.
>>
>> I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer
>> but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you
>> would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward
>> album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a
>> slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would
>> personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our
>> boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others
>> here.
>>
>> With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to
>> strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal
>> opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. 
>> com<http://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com>[mailto:arrahmanfans@
>> yahoogroups. 
>> com<http://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Arun KB Ganesh
>> *Sent:* 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM
>> *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. 
>> com<http://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>>
>>
>>   *Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended
>> to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from
>> a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly -
>> I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound
>> and to decide on the next steps if you see 

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[riyaz ahamed]

Pls anyone can take this to ARR .

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:


From: Arun KB Ganesh 
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:39 PM


  




I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set right. Nor am 
I interested in doing it.
 
I believed (I still do) that this is a very valid point I was discussing on, 
else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while attending to my 
unwell daughter admitted to the hospital. 
 
Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been haunting me 
for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out, period. 
 
Let me make my intentions very clear, yet again - 
I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be ahead 
of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his 
doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I can't 
help it.
 
I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a group. 
Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on, since it is 
a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to stop this 
discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing this.
 
I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally - which 
does not help serve the purpose of this discussion.
 
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan  wrote:



  





Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight 
unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed 
in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel 
ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing 
because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. 
And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has 
to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music.  I 
agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) 
and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is 
due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to 
do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It 
is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every 
instrument and the complex
 layering that he does in his music.
 
I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer but 
that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find 
in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other 
music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up 
ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter 
because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no 
technical expert like some of the others here.
 
With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength 
turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this 
doomsday scenario is not warranted. 
 
thanks
 
 
 


From: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com] On 
Behalf Of Arun KB Ganesh
Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"



 
  




Note - Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt 
you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member 
of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really 
wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide 
on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these 
problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd !

 

 

Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You 
are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of 'maybe a highly processed 
electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals 
is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, 
what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing 
themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff on vocals which I think 
is not the case.

 


I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in 
terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I 
find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs.

> I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound quality 
> of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen, compare the 
> so

Re: [arr] Re: blue disappointing (Why fight ?)

[chelva kumar]

yeah..blue has no soul... it lacks that rehman touch in it.but nvrmind...just 
wait for vinaithandi varuvaaya...

--- On Mon, 14/9/09, dnshvaidya  wrote:


From: dnshvaidya 
Subject: [arr] Re: blue disappointing (Why fight ?)
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 14 September, 2009, 6:16 PM


  



For me, each RAHMAN soundtrack / album is unique and what I do is listen to it 
as an independent work and enjoy it. I don't waste my time in comparing it with 
his earlier albums because there are no measurable units or parameters to 
compare them. 

Likes or dislikes are personal and should not be so openly thrown in a public 
forum. 

It is like asking from all the creatures of God ( including humans ), which one 
is the best ? How can that comparison be valid when each specie is unique and 
has its own personal traits ?

Enjoy the music and don't fight to prove anything this way or that way...

Best regards
Dinesh Vaidya
Pune

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "badri_becker"  wrote:
>
> 
> I personally love rahman for his quality compositions but " BLUE" gave me the 
> blues sickness and it wasnt his best personally. different people have 
> different tastes. the melody was missing for me adn was s earching for the 
> meoment where his music will touch my inner strings but it didnt after 
> repeated listening. 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, aristocratic bureaucrat  
> wrote:
> >
> > yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics booklet,
> > the song goes
> > 
> > khoya sa, paya sa,
> > saaya sa, soya saa..
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, ichord  wrote:
> > 

















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Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Arun KB Ganesh]

I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set right. Nor
am I interested in doing it.

I believed (I still do) that this is a *very* valid point I was discussing
on, else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while
attending to my unwell daughter admitted to the hospital.

Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been haunting
me for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out, period.

Let me make my intentions very clear, *yet again* -
I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be
ahead of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his
doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I
can't help it.

I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a
group. Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on,
since it is a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to
stop this discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing
this.

I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally - which
does not help serve the purpose of this discussion.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan  wrote:

>
>
>  Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
> unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is
> doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I
> personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound
> engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a
> perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the
> production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he
> feels they are messing up with his music.  I agree about the loudness (could
> be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the
> orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of
> layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on
> the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare
> for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the
> complex layering that he does in his music.
>
>
>
> I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer
> but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you
> would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward
> album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a
> slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would
> personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our
> boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others
> here.
>
>
>
> With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to
> strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal
> opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted.
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Arun KB Ganesh
> *Sent:* 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM
> *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>
>
>
>
>
> *Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to
> hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a
> member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I
> really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and
> to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so
> that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I
> sound odd !
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect
> - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of '*maybe *a highly
> processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly
> processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing
> it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound
> engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new
> stuff on vocals which I think is not the case.
>
>
>
> I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him
> in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers,
> and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as
> theirs.
>
> > I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound
> quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae

Re: [arr] Re: blue disappointing

[kishore parayath]

Its SO SICK!! WHAT DA . After GIVING an ULTRA-BRILLIANT,
WORLDCLASS and TOTALLY 'OUT-OF-THE-BOX' composition like REHNUMA which
would leave listeners around the world 'JAW-DROPPED'... its SO sick to
see, some PPL coming here and saying that BLUE disappoints!

Ofcourse Chiggy Wiggy was disappointing for some of us...coz we
expected Electropop in ARR-Kylie combo... But  Anthony wanted Bhangra!

Bhoola tujhe is an AMAZING MELODY with extra-ordinary strings by ARR!!!

BLUE is ARR's BEST album in the past 5 years!
We dont  DESERVE to review a MASTERPIECE like Rehnuma because its
GREATNESS is much beyond human levels

REHNUMA will be listened for more than 50 years!!!
Iam HAPPY. ARR has COMPLETELY fulfilled my expectations from him
in BLUE, just through a SINGLE composition..REHNUMA...




On 9/14/09, ramanav...@yahoo.com  wrote:
> I am not agree your words. Because blue music is commercial and depending on
> script. So our boss has given wonderful tracks. Please observe our boss
> music always depending on the film script.
>
> regards,
> r(ah)aman.
>
> dinesh.theboss wrote:
>>
>>   dun worry pal, Vinnaithaandi Varuvaiya audio is just
>> around the corner, im very sure there are many soul stiring numbers there,
>> as Dir Gautham has good ears for Music, and he collaborating with ARR says
>> it all. :)
>> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com , "badri_becker" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I personally love rahman for his quality compositions but " BLUE" gave me
>>> the blues sickness and it wasnt his best personally. different people
>>> have different tastes. the melody was missing for me adn was s earching
>>> for the meoment where his music will touch my inner strings but it didnt
>>> after repeated listening.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com , aristocratic bureaucrat
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics
>>> > booklet,
>>> > the song goes
>>> >
>>> > khoya sa, paya sa,
>>> > saaya sa, soya saa..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, ichord  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can
>>> > > see how
>>> > > AR is a fan of these sounds!!!
>>> > >
>>> > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as
>>> > > if
>>> > > he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is
>>> > > really
>>> > > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar
>>> > > Mila..."kudikudikud ikudikudiya! " and then "atha atheena a theen
>>> > > theen teena"
>>> > > He's just amazing!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Wit beyond measure is mans greatest treasure
>>> >
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [arr] Re: blue disappointing

[ramanav...@yahoo.com]

I am not agree your words. Because blue music is commercial and depending on 
script. So our boss has given wonderful tracks. Please observe our boss music 
always depending on the film script.

regards,
r(ah)aman.

dinesh.theboss wrote:
>    
>   dun worry pal, Vinnaithaandi Varuvaiya audio is just around 
> the corner, im very sure there are many soul stiring numbers there, as Dir 
> Gautham has good ears for Music, and he collaborating with ARR says it all. 
> :) 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com , "badri_becker"  
> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> I personally love rahman for his quality compositions but " BLUE" gave me 
>> the blues sickness and it wasnt his best personally. different people have 
>> different tastes. the melody was missing for me adn was s earching for the 
>> meoment where his music will touch my inner strings but it didnt after 
>> repeated listening. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com , aristocratic bureaucrat > > wrote: 
>> > 
>> > yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics booklet, 
>> > the song goes 
>> > 
>> > khoya sa, paya sa, 
>> > saaya sa, soya saa.. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, ichord  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see 
>> > > how 
>> > > AR is a fan of these sounds!!! 
>> > > 
>> > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if 
>> > > he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really 
>> > > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar 
>> > > Mila..."kudikudikud ikudikudiya! " and then "atha atheena a theen theen 
>> > > teena" 
>> > > He's just amazing! 
>> > > 
>> > >  
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Wit beyond measure is mans greatest treasure 
>> > 
>> 
>  



  

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Vithur]

All these issues abt Sound Quality would be answered soon.. I believe all
future ARR releases would satisfy everyone here... ( Inshallah )

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Prasad Varma  wrote:

>
>
> I see where you are coming from. Just curious, were you happy with Jodha
> Akbar esp Azeem O Shaan?
>
> What recent album were you happy with wrt sound? Likewise other than Blue
> what albums were you unhappy with?
>
> I am pretty happy with all his albums beginning with JTYJN with SDM being
> my favorite from a sound perspective, the track Riots being a good example
>
> --
> *From:* Gomzy™ 
> *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:40:30 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>
>
>
> That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not
> the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil
> Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had
> more layers in them than Blue.
>
> Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise
> *. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly
> audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If
> yes, then i have issues with my ears.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma  com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Anand,
>>
>> You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did
>> refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that
>> sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think
>> there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which
>> is perfectly justified.
>>
>> Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble
>> rich" digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly
>> "analogish" sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of
>> En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts
>> on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before.
>>
>> Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled
>> his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate.
>> Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound.
>> Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes
>> they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the
>> early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with
>> his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful
>> guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi.
>>
>> From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning
>> this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of
>> time in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen
>> vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There
>> are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily
>> made up and tweaked.
>>
>> Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and
>> from his own rare liner notes about expectations,  I'd find it extremely
>> hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass
>> muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-)
>>
>> PV
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Anand Bharathan 
>> *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>>
>>
>>
>>  Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
>> unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is
>> doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I
>> personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound
>> engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a
>> perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the
>> production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he
>> feels they are messing up with his music.  I agree about the loudness (could
>> be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the
>> orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of
>> layering and

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Anil Nair]

Some interesting discussion this. I hope Gopal/Vijay summarize this inform
AR to see if he has to say something about this (that is is ARR himself by
some fluke has not read this chain already)

-A

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM, wiredbeats  wrote:

>
>
> yes gomzi. I agree. Even i voiced a similar opinion few days ago. But on
> second thought i think we should compare sound quality and loudness with
> productions made when the CD generation took off. In the sense, Dil Se and
> before the mix suited cassette distribution, as in cassettes sold more than
> CD.  Post Taal i think CDs really started to take off and future mixes
> accommodated the dynamic range that CDs provided. In those days cassettes
> used to sound louder then CDs. And CDs clearer.
>
> Now everything is messy, CDs everywhere and each one competing to be with
> more Oomp. There could be a business reason for Blue sounding the way it (
> which is good, not the rahman best). Its a all out commercial album sitting
> next to similar genre of films. Rahman brand can make it fly off initially,
> but if the thump is missing then DJs wont play it naturally without mixing
> or wont become a party playlist. So i am ok with it.If Chiggy Wiggy has to
> be played in nightclubs then it has to sound the way it does now. Loud!!
>
> But lookin at it purely from a production standpoint its simple 1. Great
> production 2. Cool music 3. Can sound better...loudness is not the answer.
>
> sorry folks some of you are irritated with me i know.
>
> Remixes I Originals I Opinions at  http://www.wiredbeats.com 
> <http://www.wiredbeats.com/>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Gomzy™ 
> *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, 13 September, 2009 9:10:30 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>
>
>
> That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not
> the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil
> Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had
> more layers in them than Blue.
>
> Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise
> *. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly
> audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If
> yes, then i have issues with my ears.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma  com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Anand,
>>
>> You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did
>> refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that
>> sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think
>> there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which
>> is perfectly justified.
>>
>> Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble
>> rich" digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly
>> "analogish" sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of
>> En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts
>> on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before.
>>
>> Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled
>> his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate.
>> Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound.
>> Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes
>> they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the
>> early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with
>> his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful
>> guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi.
>>
>> From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning
>> this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of
>> time in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen
>> vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There
>> are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily
>> made up and tweaked.
>>
>> Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and
>> from his own rare liner notes about expectations,  I'd find it extremely
>> hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass
>> muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-)
>>
>> PV
>>
>>
>> -

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[wiredbeats]

yes gomzi. I agree. Even i voiced a similar opinion few days ago. But on second 
thought i think we should compare sound quality and loudness with productions 
made when the CD generation took off.In the sense, Dil Se and before the mix 
suited cassette distribution, as in cassettes sold more than CD.  Post Taal i 
think CDs really started to take off and future mixes accommodated the dynamic 
range that CDs provided. In those days cassettes used to sound louder then CDs. 
And CDs clearer.

Now everything is messy, CDs everywhere and each one competing to be with more 
Oomp. There could be a business reason for Blue sounding the way it ( which is 
good, not the rahman best). Its a all out commercial album sitting next to 
similar genre of films. Rahman brand can make it fly off initially, but if the 
thump is missing then DJs wont play it naturally without mixing or wont become 
a party playlist. So i am ok with it.If Chiggy Wiggy has to be played in 
nightclubs then it has to sound the way it does now. Loud!!

But lookin at it purely from a production standpoint its simple 1. Great 
production 2. Cool music 3. Can sound better...loudness is not the answer. 

sorry folks some of you are irritated with me i know.

 Remixes I Originals I Opinions at  http://www.wiredbeats.com  





From: Gomzy™ 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 13 September, 2009 9:10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

  
That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the 
first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or 
Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers 
in them than Blue.

Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.Sound Wise. 
Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is 
possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have 
issues with my ears. 


On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  >
>> 
>Anand,
>
>You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer 
>to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded 
>crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a 
>few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly 
>justified. 
>
>Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble rich" 
>digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly  "analogish" sound 
>in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of En Swaasa Katrea or 
>Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting 
>that AR does not make music like he used to before.. 
>
>Now, a decade is a
> long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too 
> and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have 
> been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes 
> may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally 
> was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and 
> right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all 
> changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi 
> Aditi.
>
>From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this 
>film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time 
>in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder 
>effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very 
>few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up 
>and tweaked.  
>
>Given the
> fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own 
> rare liner notes about expectations,  I'd find it extremely hard to imagine 
> that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is 
> not likable that is another story... :-) :-)
>
>PV
>
>
>
>

From: Anand Bharathan 
>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM
>Subject: RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>
>  > 
>>
>
>
>
>
>>
>Arun,
>I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
>unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed
>in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel
>ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing
>

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Gomzy™]

Prasad, I had major issues with the following songs,

Azaadi- Bose
Jaage Hain- Guru
In Lamhon Ke Daman mein- Jodha Akbar

I loved SDM too ( international release). Azeem O Shaan was good too, so
were JTYJN and Ada was as good.
Ghajini was average with blue getting worse.



On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Prasad Varma  wrote:

>
>
> I see where you are coming from. Just curious, were you happy with Jodha
> Akbar esp Azeem O Shaan?
>
> What recent album were you happy with wrt sound? Likewise other than Blue
> what albums were you unhappy with?
>
> I am pretty happy with all his albums beginning with JTYJN with SDM being
> my favorite from a sound perspective, the track Riots being a good example
>
> --
> *From:* Gomzy™ 
> *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:40:30 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>
>
>
> That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not
> the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil
> Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had
> more layers in them than Blue.
>
> Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise
> *. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly
> audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If
> yes, then i have issues with my ears.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma  com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Anand,
>>
>> You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did
>> refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that
>> sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think
>> there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which
>> is perfectly justified.
>>
>> Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble
>> rich" digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly
>> "analogish" sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of
>> En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts
>> on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before.
>>
>> Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled
>> his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate.
>> Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound.
>> Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes
>> they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the
>> early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with
>> his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful
>> guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi.
>>
>> From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning
>> this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of
>> time in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen
>> vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There
>> are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily
>> made up and tweaked.
>>
>> Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and
>> from his own rare liner notes about expectations,  I'd find it extremely
>> hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass
>> muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-)
>>
>> PV
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Anand Bharathan 
>> *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>>
>>
>>
>>  Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
>> unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is
>> doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I
>> personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound
>> engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a
>> perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the
>> production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he
>> feels they are messing up with his music.  I agree about the loudness (could
>> be because of these so called loudness w

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Prasad Varma]

I see where you are coming from. Just curious, were you happy with Jodha Akbar 
esp Azeem O Shaan?

What recent album were you happy with wrt sound? Likewise other than Blue what 
albums were you unhappy with?

I am pretty happy with all his albums beginning with JTYJN with SDM being my 
favorite from a sound perspective, the track Riots being a good example





From: Gomzy™ 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:40:30 AM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

  
That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the 
first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or 
Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers 
in them than Blue.

Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.Sound Wise. 
Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is 
possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have 
issues with my ears. 


On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  >
>> 
>Anand,
>
>You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer 
>to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded 
>crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a 
>few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly 
>justified. 
>
>Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble rich" 
>digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly  "analogish" sound 
>in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of En Swaasa Katrea or 
>Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting 
>that AR does not make music like he used to before. 
>
>Now, a decade is a
> long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too 
> and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have 
> been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes 
> may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally 
> was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and 
> right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all 
> changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi 
> Aditi.
>
>From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this 
>film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time 
>in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder 
>effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very 
>few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up 
>and tweaked.  
>
>Given the
> fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own 
> rare liner notes about expectations,  I'd find it extremely hard to imagine 
> that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is 
> not likable that is another story... :-) :-)
>
>PV
>
>
>
>

From: Anand Bharathan 
>To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM
>Subject: RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>
>  > 
>>
>
>
>
>
>>
>Arun,
>I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
>unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed
>in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel
>ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing
>because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the
>core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all
>he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his
>music.  I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called
>loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but
>probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation
>he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the
>mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to
>highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in
>his music.
> 
>I
>do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer
>but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would
>find in a ARR song. Now given a choice

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Gomzy™]

That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the
first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or
Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more
layers in them than Blue.

Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise*.
Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible
is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then
i have issues with my ears.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma  wrote:

>
>
> Anand,
>
> You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did
> refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that
> sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think
> there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which
> is perfectly justified.
>
> Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble
> rich" digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly
> "analogish" sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of
> En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts
> on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before.
>
> Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his
> studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate.
> Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound.
> Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes
> they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the
> early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with
> his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful
> guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi.
>
> From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning
> this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of
> time in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen
> vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There
> are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily
> made up and tweaked.
>
> Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from
> his own rare liner notes about expectations,  I'd find it extremely hard to
> imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the
> sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-)
>
> PV
>
>
> --
> *From:* Anand Bharathan 
> *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"
>
>
>
>  Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
> unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is
> doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I
> personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound
> engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a
> perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the
> production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he
> feels they are messing up with his music.  I agree about the loudness (could
> be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the
> orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of
> layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on
> the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare
> for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the
> complex layering that he does in his music.
>
>
>
> I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer
> but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you
> would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward
> album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a
> slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would
> personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our
> boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others
> here.
>
>
>
> With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to
> strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal
> opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted.
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Prasad Varma]

Anand,

You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer 
to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded 
crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a 
few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly 
justified. 

Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the "Treble rich" 
digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly  "analogish" sound 
in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the "sound" of En Swaasa Katrea or 
Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting 
that AR does not make music like he used to before. 

Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his 
studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus 
his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. 
Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they 
are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 
2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm 
section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming 
of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi.

>From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this 
>film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time 
>in "Post production" if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder 
>effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very 
>few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up 
>and tweaked.  

Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his 
own rare liner notes about expectations,  I'd find it extremely hard to imagine 
that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is 
not likable that is another story... :-) :-)

PV



From: Anand Bharathan 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM
Subject: RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

  
Arun,
I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed
in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel
ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing
because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the
core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all
he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his
music.  I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called
loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but
probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation
he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the
mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to
highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in
his music.
 
I
do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer
but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would
find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of
other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly
muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for
the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just
my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here.
 
With
every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength
turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this
doomsday scenario is not warranted. 
 
thanks
 
 
 
From:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfan s...@yahoogroups. com] 
On Behalf
Of Arun KB Ganesh
Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality -
"Dissapointed"
 
  
Note - Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This
mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice..
it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say
all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it
comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am
highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too
late. Sorry if I sound odd !
 
 
Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With
all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of 'maybe 
a
highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly
processed vocals is making a son

RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Anand Bharathan]

Arun, I don't post much but could not help here after noticing a slight
unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is
doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I
personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound
engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person - a
perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the
production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he
feels they are messing up with his music.  I agree about the loudness (could
be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the
orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of
layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on
the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare
for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the
complex layering that he does in his music.

 

I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna  being clearer
but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you
would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward
album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a
slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would
personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our
boss's music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others
here.

 

With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to
strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal
opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. 

 

thanks

 

 

 

From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Arun KB Ganesh
Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

 

  

Note - Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt
you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a
member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I
really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and
to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so
that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I
sound odd !

 

 

Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You
are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of 'maybe a highly processed
electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed
vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In
other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are
re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff on
vocals which I think is not the case.

 

I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in
terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and
I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs.

> I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound
quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen,
compare the sound quality - they sound tight (if I call it in a studio
language).

 

I will still stand by my statement that as of today, ARR albums sound
quality is not on par with other MDs .. to be precise, it all started with
Rang De Basanti. Oh, by the way ... :

RDB was not released by T-Series... It had a loudness issue

Delhi-6 was by T-Series - it didnt have a loudness issue 

so how can loudness in BLUE be a problem from the music company's end? I
feel it is not.

 

As a musician & singer myself, I really really trust my ears when it comes
to sound quality.

 

 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:25 PM, ichord  wrote:

  

There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I
concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And
being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very
relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly
processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can
understand.

Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a
discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without
good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the
distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album.

I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in
terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and
I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs.

Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to d

Re: [arr] Re: blue disappointing

[Farzad Khaleel]

Think cant add much melody in an Action Thriller..
You can wait for Vinnaithandi Varuvaya ~

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:25 AM, ichord  wrote:

>
>
> it's ok man, you don't have to like every AR soundtrack. Hope the next one
> is better for you.
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "badri_becker"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I personally love rahman for his quality compositions but " BLUE" gave me
> the blues sickness and it wasnt his best personally. different people have
> different tastes. the melody was missing for me adn was s earching for the
> meoment where his music will touch my inner strings but it didnt after
> repeated listening.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> aristocratic bureaucrat  wrote:
> > >
> > > yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics
> booklet,
> > > the song goes
> > >
> > > khoya sa, paya sa,
> > > saaya sa, soya saa..
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, ichord  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can
> see how
> > > > AR is a fan of these sounds!!!
> > > >
> > > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as
> if
> > > > he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is
> really
> > > > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar
> > > > Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen
> theen teena"
> > > > He's just amazing!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wit beyond measure is mans greatest treasure
> > >
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Farzad Khaleel

www.rahmaniac.com

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[V S Rawat]

On 9/13/2009 4:17 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote:

> "If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant 
> in hearing it? "
> 
> This is subjective and whether you think it's pleasant or not, is up to you.  
> I'm not contradicting myself.  I don't sense any hiss at all.  To me, it 
> doesn't bother.  
> 
> Look man, you have your opinions and I have mine.  You have your ears and I 
> have mine.  It just comes down to perception in this case.  Let's leave this 
> to rest.  I really don't want to discuss this further.
> 

Everything is subjective for someone. Sun is stationary and it is earth 
that moves around that but still we all humans say "sun is rising" and 
"sun is setting" because that's what we see happening with our own eyes 
while we don't feel the movement of our own earth.

Thus, when someone says something, it is always his personal opinion, 
whether he explicitly mentions this disclaimer or not.

Still, if we believe that we are and claim to be behaving in a civilized 
manner, we have to listen and think over what others are saying, even if 
that is a minority of one. We should not just go on speaking endlessly 
same and same things. This is a list (any list is) of learned persons 
and is not an echo point where one can expect and demand that whatever 
you are saying will be echoed back by other persons.

All this "you have your opinions and I have mine.  You have your ears 
and I have mine." is a very irresponsible sort of behavior, I feel. It 
is like shrugging away the responsibility for what one has written. One 
wrote something and when somebody else doesn't agree with that, the 
original writer saying that he doesn't bother about what others might 
say, is not a civilized way of communication. Here we are to interact. 
If we have just to express ourselves, we can do in the seclusion of our 
room . Here we are writing to a group of 15000 living 
humans and they read what we write and they get opinions about that. And 
when they reply, are we entitled to say that I don't care for what you 
thought on what I wrote.

We have to be ready to discuss, explain, talk about what we wrote 
earlier. We are obliged to read the replies on our posts, we are bound 
to answer queries and acknowledge differences of opinion on our mails.

Anyone not doing this is believing that here he has got a captive 
audience on which he can practice his writing skills and review skills 
and analysing skills without taking any responsibility of it.



--
Rawat

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Arun KB Ganesh]

*Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to
hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a
member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I
really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and
to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so
that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I
sound odd !


Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You
are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of '*maybe *a highly
processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly
processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing
it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound
engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new
stuff on vocals which I think is not the case.

I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in
terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and
I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs.
> I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound
quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen,
compare the sound quality - they sound *tight* (if I call it in a studio
language).

I will still stand by my statement that as of today, ARR albums sound
quality is not on par with other MDs .. to be precise, it all started with
Rang De Basanti. Oh, by the way ... :
RDB was not released by T-Series... It had a loudness issue
Delhi-6 was by T-Series - it didnt have a loudness issue
so how can loudness in BLUE be a problem from the music company's end? I
feel it is not.

As a musician & singer myself, I really really trust my ears when it comes
to sound quality.


On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:25 PM, ichord  wrote:

>
>
> There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I
> concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And
> being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very
> relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly
> processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can
> understand.
>
> Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a
> discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without
> good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the
> distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album.
>
> I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him
> in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers,
> and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as
> theirs.
>
> Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss and
> maybe even disagree without being disagreeable.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , Arun
> KB Ganesh  wrote:
> >
> > Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned
> into
> > a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the
> difference
> > between the 2 ?!
> > The music may have intricate layering & complicate complex chord
> > progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality
> of
> > this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear
> ..
> > It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault -
> > whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now,
> it
> > may be too late.
> >
> > ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way
> > ahead of him in terms of *"SOUND QUALITY" (Mind you, I am NOT talking
> about
> > the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music & the
> sounds
> > used (again, not the sound quality). *
> >
> > I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:
> >
> > > *Clarification : **
> > > *
> > > *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more
> than
> > > all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to
> be
> > > mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it
> was my
> > > duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be
> really
> > > glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings.
> > > *
> > > **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I
> never
> > > said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in
> no
> > > way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR
> sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only
> feeling
> > > bad about the 'sound quality' the album "Blue" has.
> > >
> > > Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this albu

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[VK Murthy]

I agree with all you who say the sound quality is mediocre . But do we have
to worry ? ?
In Rolling Stone interview Rahman told to Bhardwaj Rangan : *" At that time
**(Roja)**, that sound was just mine. Now people are sharing that sound. So
to do something is not just about a different sound anymore.** Also, during
Roja, it was just stereo. “Now we need to think about 5.1, DTS, what comes
out of this speaker, what comes out of that speaker – and still hold the
song together." *
*
*
*
http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/2008/06/07/ar-rahman-the-rolling-stone-interview/
*

That means since now everyone is sharing that sound we are feeling the sound
is mediocre . Also since all are sharing that sound , there is no need to
make extra effort on sounds because whatever happens the sound is going to
be shared by everyone .

Just my opinion .  I hope the moderator posts this .



On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:

>
>
> Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned
> into a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the
> difference between the 2 ?!
>
> The music may have intricate layering & complicate complex chord
> progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of
> this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear
> .. It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault -
> whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it
> may be too late.
>
> ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way
> ahead of him in terms of *"SOUND QUALITY" (Mind you, I am NOT talking
> about the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music & the
> sounds used (again, not the sound quality). *
>
> I am willing to explain it again,  if people dont understand.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh wrote:
>
>> *Clarification : **
>> *
>> *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than
>> all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be
>> mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my
>> duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really
>> glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings.
>> *
>> **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I
>> never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in
>> no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR
>> sound* for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only
>> feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album "Blue" has.
>>
>> Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different
>> sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different
>> programmers & engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been
>> various programmers & engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end
>> result used to be tremendous.
>>
>> I don't know why the difference now.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh wrote:
>>
>>> One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb
>>> quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality.
>>> Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One
>>> of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which
>>> was pointed out in this forum & was acknowledged by his team too (not in
>>> this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers.
>>>
>>> The 'sound'  of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds
>>> like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for
>>> chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing).
>>> The vocals are extremely bad
>>>
>>> Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @
>>> T-Series.
>>>
>>> I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not
>>> being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'.
>>> but it has never been.
>>> Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the
>>> beauty of the sound is compromised on.
>>>
>>> And I am not in for a debate here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[wiredbeats]

Yes iCHORD your way of putting things is valid. 

We are NOT complaining his composition/programing etc.
We are only discussing the loudness which at times is effecting some portions 
of the tracks and in this album it is very evident. 
Somebody had issues with my explanation of 5.1/7.1 systems I mentioned them 
only because if a CD is sounding bad first check your settings. If its booming 
check your woofer position, mostly that is the bad apple. If your settings are 
fine and the CD still sounds only 'satisfactory' then its the CD material. Not 
the composer, not the engineer, not even the studio master. It is in most cases 
the music company that replicates. 

No one is complaining on the songs. They are super cool no doubt. 

Whatever, Blue theme does not sound as good say decoit duel from WOHE. That was 
quite a heavy compositon. Again good compositions/productions. Get the 
difference?

Good discussion!!

regards


 Remixes I Originals I Opinions at  http://www.wiredbeats.com  





From: ichord 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 12 September, 2009 6:25:00 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

  
There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I concede, 
but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre.  And being able to 
discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very relevant to the 
discussion of sound.  What may be bothering you is the highly processed 
electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can understand.

Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a discussion 
of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without good sound 
quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the distinct and complex 
musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album.

I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in 
terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I 
find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs.

Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss and 
maybe even disagree without being disagreeable. 

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:
>
> Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned into
> a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the difference
> between the 2 ?!
> The music may have intricate layering & complicate complex chord
> progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of
> this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear ..
> It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault -
> whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it
> may be too late.
> 
> ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way
> ahead of him in terms of *"SOUND QUALITY" (Mind you, I am NOT talking about
> the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music & the sounds
> used (again, not the sound quality). *
> 
> I am willing to explain it again,  if people dont understand.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:
> 
> > *Clarification : **
> > *
> > *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than
> > all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be
> > mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my
> > duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really
> > glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings.
> > *
> > **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never
> > said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no
> > way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR 
> > sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only 
> > feeling
> > bad about the 'sound quality' the album "Blue" has.
> >
> > Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different
> > sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different
> > programmers & engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been
> > various programmers & engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end
> > result used to be tremendous.
> >
> > I don't know why the difference now.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:
> >
> >> One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb
> >> quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality.
> >> Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One
> >> of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which
> >> was pointed out in this forum & was acknowledged by his team too (not in
> >> this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers.

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[jairam ramachandran]

No one can replace Sridharji. Thats verymuch evident in Blue. 

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:15:43 +0530  wrote
>






  Better mixing could have increased the clarity of individual 
layers and prevent the vocals from clashing with instrument sounds 
[frequencies]. Too much compression is an irritant to our ears. There is a 
different between blue and other albums of arr. Hope he stick on to the same 
people for mixing and mastering for future albums 

K. M. Ameer


 

  

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[Arijit Debnath]

Hey Wasim,

In the net currently two types of Blue CD available (pirated)...one is 320k
an the other 192k I think there are lots of problems in the 320k but
192k seems to be ripped off from original CD and sounding better

I'm yet to get the original CD though...

Arijit

2009/9/10 kaissiom 

>
>
> I don't know about you guys but I'm hearing a low clicking sound throughout
> the album. I do not have the original CD yet (it hasn't crossed the BLUE
> oceans to the States side yet). But the mp3's I have are of 320k quality,
> the sound is loud and vibrant. But before I could comment on the sound, I
> can't help but notice the clicking sound in the songs. The instruments are
> drowning the clicking, but it's there. Anybody else have this experience?
>
> I really really hope it's the ripper induced sound. I'm going to be really
> disappointed if it's there in the original CD.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , Arun
> KB Ganesh  wrote:
> >
> > One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb
> quality
> > his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality.
> > Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One
> of
> > the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which
> was
> > pointed out in this forum & was acknowledged by his team too (not in this
> > forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers.
> >
> > The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds
> like
> > a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for
> > chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts
> singing).
> > The vocals are extremely bad
> >
> > Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @
> > T-Series.
> >
> > I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not
> > being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be
> 'better'.
> > but it has never been.
> > Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the
> beauty
> > of the sound is compromised on.
> >
> > And I am not in for a debate here.
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

[wiredbeats]

No CD is fine. But loud!
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From: kaissiom 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 1:40:52 AM
Subject: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - "Dissapointed"

  
I don't know about you guys but I'm hearing a low clicking sound throughout the 
album.  I do not have the original CD yet (it hasn't crossed the BLUE oceans to 
the States side yet).  But the mp3's I have are of 320k quality, the sound is 
loud and vibrant.  But before I could comment on the sound, I can't help but 
notice the clicking sound in the songs. The instruments are drowning the 
clicking, but it's there. Anybody else have this experience?

I really really hope it's the ripper induced sound.  I'm going to be really 
disappointed if it's there in the original CD.

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:
>
> One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality
> his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality.
> Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of
> the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was
> pointed out in this forum & was acknowledged by his team too (not in this
> forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers.
> 
> The 'sound'  of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like
> a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for
> chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing).
> The vocals are extremely bad
> 
> Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @
> T-Series.
> 
> I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not
> being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'.
> but it has never been.
> Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty
> of the sound is compromised on.
> 
> And I am not in for a debate here.
>


   


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Re: [arr] Re: BLUE Available in Bangalore

[wiredbeats]

yes it is available in hyderabad from 10th sept..go grab one
 Remixes I Originals I Opinions at  http://www.wiredbeats.com  





From: snlavanya 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 September, 2009 7:31:54 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: BLUE Available in Bangalore

  
hi! 
can any one tell me if blue soundtrack is available in hyderabad... ..
I am desperate to buy the album!!

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "nandatronics"  wrote:
>
> Friends in Bangalore,
> 
>   I got my copy of Blue Soundtrack from Temptation M in CMH Road, 
> Indiranagar. Go and Get it.
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> NANDAKISHORE. S
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, pratap  wrote:
> >
> > Don't worry, we Rahmaniacs are not into violence Actually the distortion in 
> > the guitar is the same setting of that used in the original James Bond 
> > Theme. Plus the fast plucking might remind of James Bond Theme
> > 
> > http://indian- music-bgm. blogspot. com/Â http://www.facebook 
> > .com/elensar5233
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Gomzyâ„¢  wrote:
> > 
> > From: Gomzyâ„¢ 
> > Subject: [ARR] Rehnuma reminds me 
> > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 6:29 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Guys dont kill me! This is not an inspiration also. But 
> > the time frame at 150 secs with that instruments and heavy violin strings 
> > reminds me of the James Bond soundtrack. The instruments used are the same 
> > eh.
> >
>


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Re: [arr] Re: BLUE Audio/Sound QUality - Dissapointed

[prakash krishnan]

friends

 how is the quality of blue original cd??? it is good na?? i didnt 
get one yet...



--- On Thu, 10/9/09, ichord  wrote:

From: ichord 
Subject: [arr] Re: BLUE Audio/Sound QUality - Dissapointed
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 10 September, 2009, 5:16 PM






 





  Wow, and I think the sound quality is one of the best things 
about Blueso rich, layered, crisp, uncluttered, bright, glossy



Oh well, to each their own. ..



One point that I think you're talking about.a lot of the vocals in this 
album are processed, which is what may be bothering you.  In Yaar Mila, not as 
much processing is happening.



--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Arun KB Ganesh  wrote:

>

> One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality

> his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality.

> Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of

> the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was

> pointed out in this forum & was acknowledged by his team too (not in this

> forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers.

> 

> The 'sound'  of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like

> a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for

> chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing).

> The vocals are extremely bad

> 

> Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @

> T-Series.

> 

> I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not

> being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'.

> but it has never been.

> Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty

> of the sound is compromised on.

> 

> And I am not in for a debate here.

> *

> *

> *For example - Compare the vocal treatment & quality in 'Yaar Mila tha"  and

> the rest of the songs  in Blue.*

>




 

  




 

















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Re: [arr] Re: BLUE Audio/Sound QUality - Dissapointed

[Arun KB Ganesh]

Hi Chord  Observe Sonu's voice in Chiggy.. It sounds very 'hissy' and
its kinda drowned by the music...Likewise the chorus & Sukhi's voice  in
"Aaj dil gustak hain' ...
AR has done many songs with many instrumental layers and the vocal treatment
for them has been great. 'Shakalaka Baby' (Bombay Dreams) is an example.

Sure, like you said, each one has their own likings :)...

On the other hand, observe the sound quality of albums like 'dostana ' and
'bachna ae haseeno..' . You can feel the difference. This' my opinion though
:)

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, ichord  wrote:

>
>
> Wow, and I think the sound quality is one of the best things about
> Blueso rich, layered, crisp, uncluttered, bright, glossy
>
> Oh well, to each their own...
>
> One point that I think you're talking about.a lot of the vocals in this
> album are processed, which is what may be bothering you. In Yaar Mila, not
> as much processing is happening.
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , Arun
> KB Ganesh  wrote:
> >
> > One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb
> quality
> > his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality.
> > Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One
> of
> > the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which
> was
> > pointed out in this forum & was acknowledged by his team too (not in this
> > forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers.
> >
> > The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds
> like
> > a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for
> > chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts
> singing).
> > The vocals are extremely bad
> >
> > Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @
> > T-Series.
> >
> > I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not
> > being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be
> 'better'.
> > but it has never been.
> > Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the
> beauty
> > of the sound is compromised on.
> >
> > And I am not in for a debate here.
> > *
> > *
> > *For example - Compare the vocal treatment & quality in 'Yaar Mila tha"
> and
> > the rest of the songs in Blue.*
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: Blue

[Vinayak]

I think Gopal clarified that he didn't have the CD before us. He might have
got the message to be printed on the CD through official sources.
Warm Regards
~~~
Vinayak

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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM, rivjot  wrote:

>
>
> ahhh this is same as printed on CD covers and u had the CD before us.. so
> its obvious.
> I was getting worried that Rahman was hurt from those 'disappointed' mail
> then wrote this message specially for this group :P
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> Gopal Srinivasan  wrote:
> >
> > This is my first film after the Oscars. So expectations are scary. It's
> > important to work with a great team to create great music and we've done
> > that with Blue. What's special about Blue is that it's an underwater
> > adventure. So, it was very exciting to do this score as a composer. It's
> > important that you don't get typecast. It's also important to give the
> kind
> > of music the film requires and have fun with it!
> >
> > Drown into the music of Blue.
> >
> > - A.R.Rahman
> >
>
>  
>

RE: [arr] Re: Blue Released

[Shailesh Shetty]

Hi friends,

Any idea when will it be released in Dubai? Can't wait.

Regards,

Shailesh Shetty


From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of dhanu79
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:25 AM
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue Released



Oh God!!! I cant stop listening to Yaar Mila Tha!! What a song! The sound like 
a horn in the middle of the song is too good!!! How ARR comes up with this only 
God knows!!

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, 
"rivjot"  wrote:
>
> Great! That means it should be available everywhere tomorrow
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, 
> "krishnaeie"  wrote:
> >
> > Yes!!! Got the CD atlast!!!Available @ MWorld spencers the guys 
> > were jus abt to close the shutters :-) ...
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, 
> > "ichord"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I am hearing that Blue is released from another website (Orkut). Says 
> > > it's available at Music World in Chennai. Someone here please confirm.
> > >
> >
>



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Re: [arr] Re: Blue Released

[Arun KB Ganesh]

Trust T-Series to screw up .. each time, every time... ALL the time!

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM, krishnaeie  wrote:

>
>
> Yes!!! Got the CD atlast!!!Available @ MWorld spencers the guys
> were jus abt to close the shutters :-) ...
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "ichord"  wrote:
> >
> > I am hearing that Blue is released from another website (Orkut). Says
> it's available at Music World in Chennai. Someone here please confirm.
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

[Hari Krishnan.M.A]

Whooo..Great great greatHope
this priview is legalThanx a lot

On 9/8/09, Adithya Sairam  wrote:
>
>
>
>  also forgot bhoola thujhe. how could i. really awesome! rashid ali is
> rocking.
>
> adithya
>
>
>  --
> *From:* jahanzebtippu 
> *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 8, 2009 6:41:26 AM
> *Subject:* [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview
>
>
>
> that's rocking. though didn't like the first song (Blue theme) at all but
> Fiqranaa is truly rocking, loved it. Rehnumaa sounds so stylish and catchy
> too, great vocals by Shreya (Sonu in background? amazing). Rashid Ali song
> also looks something to look forward. didn't like Udit's song.. "maar diya
> duhalniya re..." sounds something from Sajid-Wajid etc but i hope full
> version will not disappoint.
> can't wait more.
>
> -
> Jahanzeb
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com ,
> "rivjot"  wrote:
> >
> > OMG I LOVE YOU!!! That too 1 min promos not like 15 sec..From these
> prviews I can sense something big again wohooo
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com ,
> pratap  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://soundcloud. com/rahmaniac 
> > >
> > > http://indian- music-bgm. blogspot. 
> > > com/
>  http://www.facebook.com/elensar5233
> > >
> >
>
>
>  
>



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Re: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

[Adithya Sairam]

also forgot bhoola thujhe. how could i. really awesome! rashid ali is rocking.

adithya





From: jahanzebtippu 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 6:41:26 AM
Subject: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

  
that's rocking. though didn't like the first song (Blue theme) at all but 
Fiqranaa is truly rocking, loved it. Rehnumaa sounds so stylish and catchy too, 
great vocals by Shreya (Sonu in background? amazing). Rashid Ali song also 
looks something to look forward. didn't like Udit's song.. "maar diya duhalniya 
re..." sounds something from Sajid-Wajid etc but i hope full version will not 
disappoint. 
can't wait more.

-
Jahanzeb


--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "rivjot"  wrote:
>
> OMG I LOVE YOU!!! That too 1 min promos not like 15 sec..From these prviews I 
> can sense something big again wohooo
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, pratap  wrote:
> >
> > http://soundcloud. com/rahmaniac
> > 
> > http://indian- music-bgm. blogspot. com/ http://www.facebook.com/elensar5233
> >
>


   


  

Re: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

[Adithya Sairam]

blue is awesome!! OMG perfect after a mindblowing delhi 6. only 
maybe disappointment is probably blue theme, maybe. but i will like it. 
rehnuma, fiqrana, aaj dil gustak and chiggy wiggy are my picks of the album. 
didn't really like yar mila tha too much, but it will change like blue theme. i 
didnt like delhi 6 theme but now i adore it. will be the same here. 

adithya





From: jahanzebtippu 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 6:41:26 AM
Subject: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

  
that's rocking. though didn't like the first song (Blue theme) at all but 
Fiqranaa is truly rocking, loved it. Rehnumaa sounds so stylish and catchy too, 
great vocals by Shreya (Sonu in background? amazing). Rashid Ali song also 
looks something to look forward. didn't like Udit's song.. "maar diya duhalniya 
re..." sounds something from Sajid-Wajid etc but i hope full version will not 
disappoint. 
can't wait more.

-
Jahanzeb


--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "rivjot"  wrote:
>
> OMG I LOVE YOU!!! That too 1 min promos not like 15 sec..From these prviews I 
> can sense something big again wohooo
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, pratap  wrote:
> >
> > http://soundcloud. com/rahmaniac
> > 
> > http://indian- music-bgm. blogspot. com/ http://www.facebook.com/elensar5233
> >
>


   


  

Re: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

[Mohamed Hashir]

im sooo 'disappointed' not seeing any 'im disappointed' rahmaniacs...

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Farzad Khaleel  wrote:

>
>
> DAmn.. All of a sudden Sonu is sounding cool in Chiggy Wiggy..
> Tera husn hae rahmath ya kadham, tera ish ibadath ya kadham... tu kahe tu
> teri teri zindagi..
>
> Aah that line is haunting me !! Sorry boss, for commenting before hearing
> the song in full !!
>
>  On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM, manisha_madhavan <
> manisha_madha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!! I can't WAIT to dive into the full soundtrack!!!
>>
>>
>> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
>> pratap  wrote:
>> >
>> > http://soundcloud.com/rahmaniac
>> >
>> > http://indian-music-bgm.blogspot.com/ http://www.
>> facebook.com/elensar5233
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Farzad Khaleel
>
> www.rahmaniac.com
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

[mohammed sajin]

Yes Farzad,

You are right, me also start to love Sonu's part than Kylie's.

but, no regrets. bcoz i didnt make negative comments :)
I know it would be happen.

SAJIN








From: Farzad Khaleel 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 9:56:22 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

  
DAmn.. All of a sudden Sonu is sounding cool in Chiggy Wiggy..

Tera husn hae rahmath ya kadham, tera ish ibadath ya kadham... tu kahe tu teri 
teri zindagi.. 

Aah that line is haunting me !! Sorry boss, for commenting before hearing the 
song in full !!


On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM, manisha_madhavan wrote:

 
>AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!! I can't WAIT to dive into the full soundtrack!! !
>
>
>>--- In 
>arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, pratap  wrote:
>>
>>
>
>>> http://soundcloud. com/rahmaniac
>>
>> 
>>> http://indian- music-bgm.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/ elensar5233
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Farzad Khaleel

www.rahmaniac. com


   


  

Re: [arr] Re: BLUE all songs' preview

[Farzad Khaleel]

DAmn.. All of a sudden Sonu is sounding cool in Chiggy Wiggy..
Tera husn hae rahmath ya kadham, tera ish ibadath ya kadham... tu kahe tu
teri teri zindagi..

Aah that line is haunting me !! Sorry boss, for commenting before hearing
the song in full !!

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM, manisha_madhavan <
manisha_madha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!! I can't WAIT to dive into the full soundtrack!!!
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> pratap  wrote:
> >
> > http://soundcloud.com/rahmaniac
> >
> > http://indian-music-bgm.blogspot.com/ http://www.
> facebook.com/elensar5233
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Farzad Khaleel

www.rahmaniac.com

Re: [arr] Re: Blue - Aaj Dil Gustakh Hai promo

[kishore parayath]

The TRACK is ROCCCING man... Eventhough Chiggy Wiggy was a BIG
DISAPPOINTMENT THis track is an AMAZING number!! ANd picturisation is
DAMN lavish!!! Reminds me of Shankar in the 90's.

Re: [arr] Re: Blue

[Farzad Khaleel]

YG Mods runs that too.. I guess !

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:24 AM, jahanzebtippu wrote:

>   i don't know who runs his facebook account. i actually once asked this
> here but no one replied. and btw it is quite huge with some 316,002 fans.
> link is http://www.facebook.com/arrahman
>
> -
> Jahanzeb
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , V S
> Rawat  wrote:
> >
> > On 8/31/2009 4:39 PM India Time, _jahanzebtippu_ wrote:
> >
> > >> He wrote just because he knows of us - his biggest and most authentic
> fan group, and he loves to communicate with us.
> > >
> > > i don't think boss wrote this message specifically for us (Yahoo
> group). it is posted on his Facebook page also.
> > >
> >
> > Ohhhk. So he has got his own facebook page that he manages and posts to.
> > could you please share the link to it.
> >
> > May be some member of this group who has a fake profile of ARR at
> > facebook took it from here and posted there.
> >
> > --
> > Rawat
> >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Jahanzeb
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Farzad Khaleel

www.rahmaniac.com

Re: [arr] Re: Blue

[pratap]

I think it's Vijay...

http://indian-music-bgm.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/elensar5233


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, jahanzebtippu  wrote:

From: jahanzebtippu 
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:54 PM






 





  i don't know who runs his facebook account. i actually once 
asked this here but no one replied. and btw it is quite huge with some 316,002 
fans. link is http://www.facebook .com/arrahman



-

Jahanzeb



--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, V S Rawat  wrote:

>

> On 8/31/2009 4:39 PM India Time, _jahanzebtippu_ wrote:

> 

> >> He wrote just because he knows of us - his biggest and most authentic fan 
> >> group, and he loves to communicate with us.

> > 

> > i don't think boss wrote this message specifically for us (Yahoo group). it 
> > is posted on his Facebook page also.

> > 

> 

> Ohhhk. So he has got his own facebook page that he manages and posts to. 

>could you please share the link to it.

> 

> May be some member of this group who has a fake profile of ARR at 

> facebook took it from here and posted there.

> 

> --

> Rawat

> 

> > 

> > -

> > Jahanzeb

>




 

  




 

















  

Re: [arr] Re: Blue

[Farzad Khaleel]

I think the fan page in Facebook is an official one. Once VJ also confirmed
the same. I think the message typed above by ARR is the one that will be
coming up in the inlay card of Blue.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:13 PM, V S Rawat  wrote:

>
>
> On 8/31/2009 4:39 PM India Time, _jahanzebtippu_ wrote:
>
> >> He wrote just because he knows of us - his biggest and most authentic
> fan group, and he loves to communicate with us.
> >
> > i don't think boss wrote this message specifically for us (Yahoo group).
> it is posted on his Facebook page also.
> >
>
>  Ohhhk. So he has got his own facebook page that he manages and posts to.
> could you please share the link to it.
>
> May be some member of this group who has a fake profile of ARR at
> facebook took it from here and posted there.
>
> --
> Rawat
>
> >
> > -
> > Jahanzeb
>
>  
>



-- 
Farzad Khaleel

www.rahmaniac.com

Re: [arr] Re: Blue

[Sreekrishnan R]

http://www.facebook.com/arrahman

This is Official.

 

Rahman fever
His Music ~ My Mother Tongue






From: V S Rawat 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 7:13:49 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue

  
On 8/31/2009 4:39 PM India Time, _jahanzebtippu_ wrote:

>> He wrote just because he knows of us - his biggest and most authentic fan 
>> group, and he loves to communicate with us.
> 
> i don't think boss wrote this message specifically for us (Yahoo group). it 
> is posted on his Facebook page also.
> 

Ohhhk. So he has got his own facebook page that he manages and posts to. 
could you please share the link to it.

May be some member of this group who has a fake profile of ARR at 
facebook took it from here and posted there.

--
Rawat

> 
> -
> Jahanzeb


   


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Re: [arr] Re: Blue

[V S Rawat]

On 8/31/2009 4:39 PM India Time, _jahanzebtippu_ wrote:

>> He wrote just because he knows of us - his biggest and most authentic fan 
>> group, and he loves to communicate with us.
> 
> i don't think boss wrote this message specifically for us (Yahoo group). it 
> is posted on his Facebook page also.
> 

Ohhhk. So he has got his own facebook page that he manages and posts to. 
   could you please share the link to it.

May be some member of this group who has a fake profile of ARR at 
facebook took it from here and posted there.

--
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> 
> -
> Jahanzeb

Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[V S Rawat]

On 8/28/2009 9:13 PM India Time, _|| V i s h w e s h ||_ wrote:

> Hehehe!!! You're telling him to LISTEN to all songs before u call any 
> album a disaster!! But then what about you declaring Chiggy Wiggy a Big 
> Disappointment after only listening to a few seconds of it?

That means: Kishore has listened to all the albums of ARR so he can now 
declare a album disaster by hearing 19 seconds of it.

:-) :-E  :-P :-D

--
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> 
> /" /The /search/ is more important than the destination "
> - a r rahman -
> 
> 
> --- On *Fri, 28/8/09, kishore parayath //* 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: kishore parayath 
> Subject: Re: [arr] Re: blue music
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 28 August, 2009, 11:21 AM
> 
>  
> 
> DILLI 6 was a MASTERPIECE! !! LISTEN to all songs before u call any
> album a disaster!! YUVFVRAAJ was also very good.
>  
> Certainly, Chiggie Wiggie is a very ordinary number.. Even a Vishal
> Sekhar or Pritam can give d same.
> I must say, Iam MISSING A.R. Rahman in Chiggie Wiggie. Last time, I
> missed him very much in Ghajini. And before that, to some extend I
> missed him in JTJYN.

Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[|| V i s h w e s h ||]

Hehehe!!! You're telling him to LISTEN to all songs before u call any album a 
disaster!! But then what about you declaring  Chiggy Wiggy a Big Disappointment 
 after only listening to a  few seconds of it?

" The search is more important than the destination "  - a r rahman -

--- On Fri, 28/8/09, kishore parayath  wrote:

From: kishore parayath 
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: blue music
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 28 August, 2009, 11:21 AM






 





  DILLI 6 was a MASTERPIECE! !! LISTEN to all songs before u 
call any album a disaster!! YUVFVRAAJ was also very good.
 
Certainly, Chiggie Wiggie is a very ordinary number.. Even a Vishal Sekhar or 
Pritam can give d same.
I must say, Iam MISSING A.R. Rahman in Chiggie Wiggie. Last time, I missed him 
very much in Ghajini. And before that, to some extend I missed him in JTJYN.

 

  




 

















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Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[Kalyan K]

Am loving and enjoying chiggy wiggy...

ARR rocks.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:53 PM, rayrai2k  wrote:

>
>
> Pls whats missing in Chiggy Wiggy could you elaborate? Any body on this can
> earth say that even Vishal - Shekar or Pritam can do it. But what? Lets be
> specific so that the topic is more interesting.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> kishore parayath  wrote:
> >
> > DILLI 6 was a MASTERPIECE!!! LISTEN to all songs before u call any album
> a
> > disaster!! YUVFVRAAJ was also very good.
> >
> > Certainly, Chiggie Wiggie is a very ordinary number.. Even a Vishal
> Sekhar
> > or Pritam can give d same.
> > I must say, Iam MISSING A.R. Rahman in Chiggie Wiggie. Last time, I
> missed
> > him very much in Ghajini. And before that, to some extend I missed him in
> > JTJYN.
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[A_shokkumar_R]

The initial beat was awesome and i think the whole song should have continued 
with same western beat that comes at statring... but when the punjabi part 
comes up it gone into different track. Keliy has done her job as expected.

Though i would rank this song at 3 out of 5 stars.
  
Check out this
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/broadband/video/Movie-Promos/F4flk017/3/Chiggy-Wiggy-Blue.html




From: ajitsatishmane 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 6:38:09 AM
Subject: [arr] Re: blue music

  
big disappointment. ..
song reminds Zara Zara Touch Me from film Race


   


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Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[Ajay Nair]

Robin Sir,

Well said...D6 to be a disaster is a humiliation for us...Especially when 
you made an ISD call to our mobile for listening Rehnu Tu at Pune concert.

Lets hope towards the best for BLUE.

 Ajay Nair.





From: robin john 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 2:27:53 AM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: blue music

  
I am more sad than shocked to read that D6 and JTYJN were disasters.  Sorry 
Taimur, but I believe you would need to listen to it again.  I pity you friend.





 From: jahanzebtippu 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:42:45 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: blue music

  
what? what are you talking man? Delhi 6 and JTYJN are disasters? i can't 
believe what i read.

-
Jahanzeb

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "taimur.nadeem"  
wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
> listening to the blue movie theme music and a teaser of chiggy wiggy , i am 
> sensing another disaster hindi album after dilli 6, ghajini, yuvraaj ,jtjn by 
> A R RAHMAN. THE theme has nothing new in it and chiggy wiggy sounded very 
> ordinary song until now. i will not say much but blue doesnt looks to me a 
> groundbreaker, i waited for so much time but i am not feeling good about the 
> album. hope it comes out better.
> 
> regards,
> 
> taimur, 
> karachi,
> Pakistan.
>


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Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[A_shokkumar_R]

Taimur, I am just wondering my friend. what kind of songs would u love to 
hear I am shokced with your disaster list.



From: robin john 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 2:27:53 AM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: blue music

  
I am more sad than shocked to read that D6 and JTYJN were disasters.  Sorry 
Taimur, but I believe you would need to listen to it again.  I pity you friend.





 From: jahanzebtippu 
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:42:45 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: blue music

  
what? what are you talking man? Delhi 6 and JTYJN are disasters? i can't 
believe what i read.

-
Jahanzeb

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "taimur.nadeem"  
wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
> listening to the blue movie theme music and a teaser of chiggy wiggy , i am 
> sensing another disaster hindi album after dilli 6, ghajini, yuvraaj ,jtjn by 
> A R RAHMAN. THE theme has nothing new in it and chiggy wiggy sounded very 
> ordinary song until now. i will not say much but blue doesnt looks to me a 
> groundbreaker, i waited for so much time but i am not feeling good about the 
> album. hope it comes out better.
> 
> regards,
> 
> taimur, 
> karachi,
> Pakistan.
>


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Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[kishore parayath]

DILLI 6 was a MASTERPIECE!!! LISTEN to all songs before u call any album a
disaster!! YUVFVRAAJ was also very good.

Certainly, Chiggie Wiggie is a very ordinary number.. Even a Vishal Sekhar
or Pritam can give d same.
I must say, Iam MISSING A.R. Rahman in Chiggie Wiggie. Last time, I missed
him very much in Ghajini. And before that, to some extend I missed him in
JTJYN.

Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[Deepu K]

Hey come on..

we are all rahman fans and so thts y we are here!! Liking 90%  tracks of ARR 
can make one his fan but its not mandatory that every one  will love each and 
every song !!
Let us express our ideas how hard they may be
Deepthi.




From: nivensamy 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:23:24 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: blue music

  
I cant understand how you say that dilli 6, ghajini, yuvraaj,jtjn were 
disasters!!!

DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY !!! I cant force anyone to have my taste.. Except that im 
really sad that fans of rahman say these things.

Im really hurt... now imagine how ARR must be if he get this feedback from his 
fans...

Niven (MRU)

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Sirish Musician  wrote:
>
> guys... no opinions on first promo or song basis... let us have a music
> release & after 3 weeks of music release plzz share ur opinions
> 
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Vithur  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > So, according to you
> >
> > Delhi6, Yuvraaj, JTYJN, Ghajini are disasters ???
> >
> > I dont know what to say... :-( sad...
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:55 PM, taimur.nadeem wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> hi everyone,
> >> listening to the blue movie theme music and a teaser of chiggy wiggy , i
> >> am sensing another disaster hindi album after dilli 6, ghajini, yuvraaj
> >> ,jtjn by A R RAHMAN. THE theme has nothing new in it and chiggy wiggy
> >> sounded very ordinary song until now. i will not say much but blue doesnt
> >> looks to me a groundbreaker, i waited for so much time but i am not feeling
> >> good about the album. hope it comes out better.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> taimur,
> >> karachi,
> >> Pakistan.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > regards,
> > Vithur
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Friendship is not about finding the right person, but creating the right
> relationship.
> Its not how much we care in the beginning, but how much we care till the
> end".
> 
> Sirish Musician.
>





  

Re: [arr] Re: blue music

[robin john]

I am more sad than shocked to read that D6 and JTYJN were disasters.  Sorry 
Taimur, but I believe you would need to listen to it again.  I pity you friend.





From: jahanzebtippu 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:42:45 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: blue music

  
what? what are you talking man? Delhi 6 and JTYJN are disasters? i can't 
believe what i read.

-
Jahanzeb

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "taimur.nadeem"  
wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
> listening to the blue movie theme music and a teaser of chiggy wiggy , i am 
> sensing another disaster hindi album after dilli 6, ghajini, yuvraaj ,jtjn by 
> A R RAHMAN. THE theme has nothing new in it and chiggy wiggy sounded very 
> ordinary song until now. i will not say much but blue doesnt looks to me a 
> groundbreaker, i waited for so much time but i am not feeling good about the 
> album. hope it comes out better.
> 
> regards,
> 
> taimur, 
> karachi,
> Pakistan.
>





  

Re: [arr] Re: Blue tracklist

[Prakash Balaramkrishna]

Ah! Here comes the caps again!





From: kishore parayath 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:57:17 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue tracklist

  
BLUE SOUNDTRACK has the BIGGEST MINUS POINT!!! ARR IS NOT SINGING! !!! 
   


  

Re: [arr] Re: Blue tracklist

[kishore parayath]

BLUE SOUNDTRACK has the BIGGEST MINUS POINT!!! ARR IS NOT SINGING

Re: [arr] Re: Blue tracklist

[Anil Nair]

I wonder if the track Rehnuma mentioned here is the same tune as the Rehnuma
from Udhaya. That was a cracker of a song nevertheless - so great even its
being reused
-A

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:38 PM, jahanzebtippu wrote:

>
>
> thanks Gopal.
>
> 3 songs by Shreya and 2 by Sonu, i must say wow, this made my day.
> also it seems Farhan could not take time to sing for our boss, if it is true
> then his loss.
>
> And thanks God no Shark shark, My yatch will go on... etc :)
>
> -
> Jahanzeb
>
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> Gopal Srinivasan  wrote:
> >
> > On www.arrahman.com
> >
>
>  
>



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Re: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans

[rufuswilliam.A]

hey dude, this is awesome... 
 
just wondering if you have others movies' Album Art created like this if 
so, can u please share it :) 


 



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--- On Fri, 21/8/09, K. Kumar  wrote:


From: K. Kumar 
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 8:01 PM


  







omg!!! its fantastic... . its looks so original its so great that it can be the 
original album cover

HARDCORE RAHMANIAC TILL DA VERY END!!!

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, nivensamy  wrote:


From: nivensamy 
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 12:38 PM


  

Very Creative album art. I know how tedious it is to come with this result... 
Hats off man ;-)

Niven (MRU)

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "raj_d_kumar"  wrote:
>
> hello guys.. 
> 
> well i know all ARR fans have itunes and will a large collection of ARR 
> songs.. most probably all the songs.. and as arr fans, we love to use the 
> album art .. 
> 
> SInce i know design and photoshop very... so i create my own album art for 
> all the ARR songs by combining, cutting/pasting .. pictures from internet.. 
> most of them are in CD size i mean not exactly square.. so it looks a little 
> out of place.. so i make it in square which looks great in itunes.. 
> 
> Since ARR Music is the most prized collection in my library, i want it to be 
> with perfect album art, without any website watermark or logo.. 
> 
> so for all the ARR fans, here is the album art for the unreleased movie : BLUE
> 
> you can save these and when the audio released.. then can use it.. 
> 
> here is the link..
> http://img14. imageshack. us/img14/ 4852/bluealbumar t.jpg
> 
> ENJOY guys.. 
> 
> ARR Rulez..
>




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Re: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans

[Farzad Khaleel]

Ain't it the wallpaper, that appeared in the official website of Blue ? Is
there any editing works done ?


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Roshan  wrote:

>
>
> mad graphics skills, you have ! thanks for sharing. looks fantastic.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:01 PM, K. Kumar  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> omg!!! its fantastic its looks so original its so great that it can be
>> the original album cover
>>
>> HARDCORE RAHMANIAC TILL DA VERY END!!!
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 21/8/09, nivensamy * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: nivensamy 
>> Subject: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans
>> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 12:38 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Very Creative album art. I know how tedious it is to come with this
>> result... Hats off man ;-)
>>
>> Niven (MRU)
>>
>> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. 
>> com,
>> "raj_d_kumar"  wrote:
>> >
>> > hello guys..
>> >
>> > well i know all ARR fans have itunes and will a large collection of ARR
>> songs.. most probably all the songs.. and as arr fans, we love to use the
>> album art ..
>> >
>> > SInce i know design and photoshop very... so i create my own album art
>> for all the ARR songs by combining, cutting/pasting .. pictures from
>> internet.. most of them are in CD size i mean not exactly square.. so it
>> looks a little out of place.. so i make it in square which looks great in
>> itunes..
>> >
>> > Since ARR Music is the most prized collection in my library, i want it
>> to be with perfect album art, without any website watermark or logo..
>> >
>> > so for all the ARR fans, here is the album art for the unreleased movie
>> : BLUE
>> >
>> > you can save these and when the audio released.. then can use it..
>> >
>> > here is the link..
>> > http://img14. imageshack. us/img14/ 4852/bluealbumar 
>> > t.jpg
>> >
>> > ENJOY guys..
>> >
>> > ARR Rulez..
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans

[Roshan]

mad graphics skills, you have ! thanks for sharing. looks fantastic.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:01 PM, K. Kumar  wrote:

>
>
> omg!!! its fantastic its looks so original its so great that it can be
> the original album cover
>
> HARDCORE RAHMANIAC TILL DA VERY END!!!
>
> --- On *Fri, 21/8/09, nivensamy * wrote:
>
>
> From: nivensamy 
> Subject: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 12:38 PM
>
>
>
> Very Creative album art. I know how tedious it is to come with this
> result... Hats off man ;-)
>
> Niven (MRU)
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. 
> com,
> "raj_d_kumar"  wrote:
> >
> > hello guys..
> >
> > well i know all ARR fans have itunes and will a large collection of ARR
> songs.. most probably all the songs.. and as arr fans, we love to use the
> album art ..
> >
> > SInce i know design and photoshop very... so i create my own album art
> for all the ARR songs by combining, cutting/pasting .. pictures from
> internet.. most of them are in CD size i mean not exactly square.. so it
> looks a little out of place.. so i make it in square which looks great in
> itunes..
> >
> > Since ARR Music is the most prized collection in my library, i want it to
> be with perfect album art, without any website watermark or logo..
> >
> > so for all the ARR fans, here is the album art for the unreleased movie :
> BLUE
> >
> > you can save these and when the audio released.. then can use it..
> >
> > here is the link..
> > http://img14. imageshack. us/img14/ 4852/bluealbumar 
> > t.jpg
> >
> > ENJOY guys..
> >
> > ARR Rulez..
> >
>
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Re: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans

[Mehroof ! Mohamed !!]

One word : it's superb... but one small suggestion - pls include AR pic in all 
future once.
Thanks
Mehroof ! Mohamed !!


--- On Fri, 21/8/09, arr_nagaraj  wrote:


From: arr_nagaraj 
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 8:43 PM


  




Wonderful effort..looks like a proper professional CD cover to me..

--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "nivensamy"  wrote:
>
> Very Creative album art. I know how tedious it is to come with this result... 
> Hats off man ;-)
> 
> Niven (MRU)
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "raj_d_kumar"  wrote:
> >
> > hello guys.. 
> > 
> > well i know all ARR fans have itunes and will a large collection of ARR 
> > songs.. most probably all the songs.. and as arr fans, we love to use the 
> > album art .. 
> > 
> > SInce i know design and photoshop very... so i create my own album art for 
> > all the ARR songs by combining, cutting/pasting .. pictures from internet.. 
> > most of them are in CD size i mean not exactly square.. so it looks a 
> > little out of place.. so i make it in square which looks great in itunes.. 
> > 
> > Since ARR Music is the most prized collection in my library, i want it to 
> > be with perfect album art, without any website watermark or logo.. 
> > 
> > so for all the ARR fans, here is the album art for the unreleased movie : 
> > BLUE
> > 
> > you can save these and when the audio released.. then can use it.. 
> > 
> > here is the link..
> > http://img14. imageshack. us/img14/ 4852/bluealbumar t.jpg
> > 
> > ENJOY guys.. 
> > 
> > ARR Rulez..
> >
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Re: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans

[K. Kumar]

omg!!! its fantastic its looks so original its so great that it can be the 
original album cover

HARDCORE RAHMANIAC TILL DA VERY END!!!

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, nivensamy  wrote:

From: nivensamy 
Subject: [arr] Re: Blue - Album Art for itunes : for all ARR Fans
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 12:38 PM












 
 





  Very Creative album art. I know how tedious it is to come 
with this result... Hats off man ;-)



Niven (MRU)



--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "raj_d_kumar"  wrote:

>

> hello guys.. 

> 

> well i know all ARR fans have itunes and will a large collection of ARR 
> songs.. most probably all the songs.. and as arr fans, we love to use the 
> album art .. 

> 

> SInce i know design and photoshop very... so i create my own album art for 
> all the ARR songs by combining, cutting/pasting .. pictures from internet.. 
> most of them are in CD size i mean not exactly square.. so it looks a little 
> out of place.. so i make it in square which looks great in itunes.. 

> 

> Since ARR Music is the most prized collection in my library, i want it to be 
> with perfect album art, without any website watermark or logo.. 

> 

> so for all the ARR fans, here is the album art for the unreleased movie : BLUE

> 

> you can save these and when the audio released.. then can use it.. 

> 

> here is the link..

> http://img14. imageshack. us/img14/ 4852/bluealbumar t.jpg

> 

> ENJOY guys.. 

> 

> ARR Rulez..

>




 

  




 






















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