Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Hi Tom,
Thanks.  Its set up to allow user control. If the user doesn't align things it 
will continue from where they slide to.
To center after misalign, select the same category. It will go to the beginning 
of the slide, 
but you can then use the arrows to navigate that whole slide. Kind of a either 
or situation right now.

I haven't figured out how to get the slides inside a slide to snap position yet.
When I do, I will try to set it up so that whatever slide is closest to the 
window edge gets centered,
but not have each image snap into place like the main page does. That would be 
a little cumbersome
for someone who just wanted to slide to an image near the end and show it off. 
Like my friend showing off his flyer.

Last thing I need to hear is "Dude.. it takes for ever to scroll to my flyer. 
It stops at every image before it." lol

Thank you all for your helpful comments and opinions. 
Whether  you were contributing or learning.

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com




On Mar 27, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Tom Livingston  wrote:

> I still have issue with this...
> 
> http://www.tomliv.com/img/drumm.png
> 
> If I use the arrows, the images stay in this placement, as opposed to 
> centering in the screen. Along with the load time as mentioned.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, March 27, 2016, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:
> So your main issue is the load time?
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> Sent from losPhone
> 
> > On Mar 27, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Philip Taylor  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for your opinion Philip. What is this radical overhaul and 
> >> simplification you see necessary? After all, it's just a portfolio website.
> >
> > Anything that would dramatically reduce the load time, Karl.
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Tom Livingston]

I still have issue with this...

http://www.tomliv.com/img/drumm.png

If I use the arrows, the images stay in this placement, as opposed to
centering in the screen. Along with the load time as mentioned.


On Sunday, March 27, 2016, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:

> So your main issue is the load time?
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
> Sent from losPhone
>
> > On Mar 27, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Philip Taylor  > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for your opinion Philip. What is this radical overhaul and
> simplification you see necessary? After all, it's just a portfolio website.
> >
> > Anything that would dramatically reduce the load time, Karl.
> > ** Phil.
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Re: [css-d] New website

[John Andrews]

You might clear your cache and then run the site.  That way everything has
to load fresh.

I read them all, rarely comment. Learning.

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Karl DeSaulniers 
wrote:

> Thanks for your opinion Philip. What is this radical overhaul and
> simplification you see necessary? After all, it's just a portfolio website.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
> Sent from losPhone
>
> > On Mar 27, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Philip Taylor  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I sent another message with that in it.
> >> Must not have posted. Here you go.
> >> Thanks for asking. :)
> >>
> >> http://designdrumm.com
> >
> > Sorry, Karl, I would never /ever/ have the patience to wait for such a
> > site to load.  "Minifying" (etc.,) may help, but a radical overhaul and
> > massive simplification is really needed, IMHO.
> >
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Philip Taylor]

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

> So your main issue is the load time?

Yes (I thought that was clear from my original message. [1]); I would in
addition suggest that once something such as "Social media" is allowed
to partially overlay "Design Drum" the latter be faded out completely
(seeing a part of it is just annoying), but the load time is far and
above anything else that needs attention, IMHO.

** Phil.

[1]
> Sorry, Karl, I would never /ever/ have the patience to wait for such a
> site to load.  "Minifying" (etc.,) may help, but a radical overhaul and
> massive simplification is really needed, IMHO.

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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

So your main issue is the load time?

Best,
Karl

Sent from losPhone

> On Mar 27, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Philip Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your opinion Philip. What is this radical overhaul and 
>> simplification you see necessary? After all, it's just a portfolio website.
> 
> Anything that would dramatically reduce the load time, Karl.
> ** Phil.
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Philip Taylor]

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

> Thanks for your opinion Philip. What is this radical overhaul and 
> simplification you see necessary? After all, it's just a portfolio website. 

Anything that would dramatically reduce the load time, Karl.
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Thanks for your opinion Philip. What is this radical overhaul and 
simplification you see necessary? After all, it's just a portfolio website. 

Best,
Karl

Sent from losPhone

> On Mar 27, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Philip Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I sent another message with that in it.
>> Must not have posted. Here you go. 
>> Thanks for asking. :)
>> 
>> http://designdrumm.com
> 
> Sorry, Karl, I would never /ever/ have the patience to wait for such a
> site to load.  "Minifying" (etc.,) may help, but a radical overhaul and
> massive simplification is really needed, IMHO.
> 
> Philip Taylor
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Philip Taylor]

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

> Yes, I sent another message with that in it.
> Must not have posted. Here you go. 
> Thanks for asking. :)
> 
> http://designdrumm.com

Sorry, Karl, I would never /ever/ have the patience to wait for such a
site to load.  "Minifying" (etc.,) may help, but a radical overhaul and
massive simplification is really needed, IMHO.

Philip Taylor
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Geoff Lane  wrote:

> On Saturday, March 12, 2016, 11:09:31 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff,
>> If you had looked anywhere around 1:15am central time, I know why.
>> I was moving my script folder and had forgotten to put it back.
>> If so, could I get you to look again? Much thanks!
> 
> It's now rendering. However, it's slow to load (and I'm on 70+ Mbps
> fibre).
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Geoff

Awesome! Except the slow load, but I haven't had a chance to minify just yet.
Still working out the kinks with the scrolling and css. Contact form looking a
little squirrelly on some smaller screens.

Thanks for the reply!

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com

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Re: [css-d] New website

[Geoff Lane]

On Saturday, March 12, 2016, 11:09:31 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
> If you had looked anywhere around 1:15am central time, I know why.
> I was moving my script folder and had forgotten to put it back.
> If so, could I get you to look again? Much thanks!

It's now rendering. However, it's slow to load (and I'm on 70+ Mbps
fibre).

HTH,

Geoff


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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

On Mar 12, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Geoff Lane  wrote:

> On Friday, March 11, 2016, 12:16:32 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> 
>> Hello again Everyone,
>> I made edits to my site that I "believe" will fix most if not all
>> of the issues people had with viewing my new website.
> 
> Sorry about this, but the site failed to render on my machine (Windows
> 7 x64 SP1 with Firefox 44.0.2. I got a few background artefacts -- but
> that was it.
> 
> -- 
> Geoff
> 


Hi Geoff,
If you had looked anywhere around 1:15am central time, I know why.
I was moving my script folder and had forgotten to put it back.
If so, could I get you to look again? Much thanks!

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Geoff Lane]

On Friday, March 11, 2016, 12:16:32 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

> Hello again Everyone,
> I made edits to my site that I "believe" will fix most if not all
> of the issues people had with viewing my new website.

Sorry about this, but the site failed to render on my machine (Windows
7 x64 SP1 with Firefox 44.0.2. I got a few background artefacts -- but
that was it.

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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Would love to build a website that way, but I haven't been able to wrap my head 
around how css animations work in the environments I create. 
Maybe one day. Do all browsers support them now? 

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com



On Mar 12, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:

>> This is all CSS animation? (Didn’t look)

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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

On Mar 11, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Mi B  wrote:

> 
>> mars 11 2016 01:16 Karl DeSaulniers :
>> 
>> http://designdrumm.com 
> 
> Much better, but the animation can be toned down even more. It should tempt 
> the visitor, not turn them away. Because of other animations in other sites, 
> tolerances for unrequested animations that make you aware of that it is an 
> animation are very low. Go for more subliminal and natural ones where the 
> movement conveys meaning relevant to the visitor. Just my view on this.
> 
> This is all CSS animation? (Didn’t look)

Well that is better than it being worse.. :)

The animation is via jQuery/TweenLite and it is only on the logo, drums, intro 
splash and fading of the page. 
The scrolling is via scrollLeft and scrollTop with javascript/jquery. Pretty 
natural movements for a presentation.
Which is what my site really is under the hood. A slide presentation in html. :)

I want the main areas to slide in and out, it's just proven to be too difficult 
to get it to do such without the previews speeding by.
Well, too difficult to implement right now. I need the site up to look for 
work. Old site was not cutting the cake.

Thank you for your response!

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Mi B]

> mars 11 2016 01:16 Karl DeSaulniers :
> 
> http://designdrumm.com 

Much better, but the animation can be toned down even more. It should tempt the 
visitor, not turn them away. Because of other animations in other sites, 
tolerances for unrequested animations that make you aware of that it is an 
animation are very low. Go for more subliminal and natural ones where the 
movement conveys meaning relevant to the visitor. Just my view on this.

This is all CSS animation? (Didn’t look)
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Hello again Everyone,
I made edits to my site that I "believe" will fix most if not all of the issues 
people had with viewing my new website.
If I could ask you to take another look and let me know if that is the case, I 
would greatly appreciate it.

I think I have ironed out about 95-98% of the issues. Haven't made things 
conventional per se,
but it should be a little less confusing now.

http://designdrumm.com

TIA,

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Hi All, 
Thank you for taking the time to look and comment. 
Opinions are what I am seeking. :)

Truthfully this is an experimental website. Something I wanted to see if I 
could pull off.
Definitely not your standard website or navigation for that matter.
I agree the images need to snap as well. Something that I wanted to implement,
just hadn't yet. So I will definitely look into that.

Also looking into hiding the previews when scrolling to and fro to eliminate 
confusion there. 
May also eliminate the side nav buttons on small screens and incorporate them 
into 
a pop-up nav on the footer, but haven't decided yet.

I fixed the logo issue and sizing of screen in my edits, just haven't posted 
yet.

Thank you again to all who looked and/or commented. I know you didn't have to 
so it means a lot to me.
Sorry for any grimace face. :P

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Mi B]

> feb. 29 2016 23:32 Karl DeSaulniers :
> 
> Got another website. This time it's my own portfolio website. It is an 
> infinite loop horizontal scrolling responsive website. 

How’s these flickering images responsive? Instant page closer and bye bye. You 
should count on that.
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Greg Gamble]

Very confusing navigation.  I clicked on a bottom link and all kinds of stuff 
flashed by very fast, and It took me a while to figure out how to get to them. 
On a Windows Phone 8.1 and IE the popup? is left aligned and covers the entire 
page so only the Graphic-Web-Media links are shown.  
The popup will shimmy left and right at random times, then settle down. 

Color and contrast look good to be.  Page is huge at 14.9 MB.  
Tools.pingdom.com shows over 160 page requests, with a third of those having an 
error connecting.
And for what it's worth ... if I see a countdown timer for a page load, I 
usually just leave. Not because it's a flash page, but because it's dead time 
that I can't do anything.


Lots of potential, just needs some tweaking ... 

Greg


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Yes, I sent another message with that in it.
Must not have posted. Here you go. 
Thanks for asking. :)

http://designdrumm.com

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
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On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Chris Williams <ch...@clwill.com> wrote:

> Link?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/29/16, 2:32 PM, "css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org on behalf of Karl 
> DeSaulniers" <css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org on behalf of 
> k...@designdrumm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> Got another website. This time it's my own portfolio website. It is an 
>> infinite loop horizontal scrolling responsive website. 
>> 
>> If you all don't mind taking a look at it and let me know if it 
>> breaks for you, I would really appreciate any feedback. Good or bad. 
>> Hopefully all good. (: ))
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Tom Livingston]

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Karl DeSaulniers 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> Got another website. This time it's my own portfolio website. It is an
> infinite loop horizontal scrolling responsive website.
>
> If you all don't mind taking a look at it and let me know if it breaks for
> you, I would really appreciate any feedback. Good or bad. Hopefully all
> good. (: ))
>
> Best,
> Karl



Interesting navigation. I'm not a fan, but that's just opinion.

Nav is confusing on phone. A little "too much". Movements are awkward on my
iPhone 5s. Scrolling is, IMHO, non-standard. I expected "scroll-snapping"
between images, so I could use a natural, typical flick to go between
images and have the images "snap" to center. Currently, it is a bit
laborious and if I manually scroll and an image is off-center, using the
nav arrows after that brings the next image to that same off-center
location as opposed to centered.


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Re: [css-d] New website

[John Andrews]

Problems with my HTC Android phone. Will give details later. Busy now.
On Feb 29, 2016 4:22 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers"  wrote:

> Yes, I sent another message with that in it.
> Must not have posted. Here you go.
> Thanks for asking. :)
>
> http://designdrumm.com
>
> Best,
>
> Karl DeSaulniers
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> http://designdrumm.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Chris Williams  wrote:
>
> > Link?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/29/16, 2:32 PM, "css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org on behalf of
> Karl DeSaulniers"  k...@designdrumm.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >> Got another website. This time it's my own portfolio website. It is an
> infinite loop horizontal scrolling responsive website.
> >>
> >> If you all don't mind taking a look at it and let me know if it breaks
> for you, I would really appreciate any feedback. Good or bad. Hopefully all
> good. (: ))
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Yes, I sent another message with that in it.
Must not have posted. Here you go. 
Thanks for asking. :)

http://designdrumm.com

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> Link?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/29/16, 2:32 PM, "css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org on behalf of Karl 
> DeSaulniers"  k...@designdrumm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> Got another website. This time it's my own portfolio website. It is an 
>> infinite loop horizontal scrolling responsive website. 
>> 
>> If you all don't mind taking a look at it and let me know if it breaks for 
>> you, I would really appreciate any feedback. Good or bad. Hopefully all 
>> good. (: ))
>> 
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Chris Williams]

Link?




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DeSaulniers"  wrote:

>Hello all,
>Got another website. This time it's my own portfolio website. It is an 
>infinite loop horizontal scrolling responsive website. 
>
>If you all don't mind taking a look at it and let me know if it breaks for 
>you, I would really appreciate any feedback. Good or bad. Hopefully all good. 
>(: ))
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Philip Taylor]

I don't have any "small" devices but it behaves perfectly at all window
sizes and all zoom levels [1] on a conventional browser platform.

Philip Taylor

[1] Except that the upward-pointing chevron indicating "Go to top of
page" is a non-analytic graphic that therefore does not zoom without
obvious pixelation.

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> Hi All,
> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I 
> just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work 
> on old IEs as well.
> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if 
> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on 
> assisted devices, hoping it does.
> 
> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if 
> you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
> TIA
> 
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Perfect! 
Except the chevron. 
Thanks Philip..

Best,
Karl

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> On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:06 AM, Philip Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I don't have any "small" devices but it behaves perfectly at all window
> sizes and all zoom levels [1] on a conventional browser platform.
> 
> Philip Taylor
> 
> [1] Except that the upward-pointing chevron indicating "Go to top of
> page" is a non-analytic graphic that therefore does not zoom without
> obvious pixelation.
> 
> Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I 
>> just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work 
>> on old IEs as well.
>> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if 
>> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on 
>> assisted devices, hoping it does.
>> 
>> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if 
>> you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
>> TIA
>> 
>> http://tpsautoshippers.com
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Mi B]

> 30 jan. 2016 kl. 18:42 skrev D'Arcy J.M. Cain :
> 
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:33:56 +0100
> MiB  wrote:
>> 30 jan 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev D'Arcy J.M. Cain :
>> 
>>> Have you considered checking your database access?  WP sites
>>> basically get all their content from a MySQL database.If the
>>> database is slow that will slow down your site.
>> 
>> Well, this shouldn’t be true for server cached URL’s, would it? With
> 
> Not sure why not.  As far as the server is concerned the pages are
> dynamic.  How would it know whether anything changed?  It's only static
> pages that can be cached.

I’m glad you asked. This is not how a well made server cache works. The 
fundamental idea behind a server cache is to render pages and update the cached 
page in question only when you make changes to the source. A web app that  
can’t keep track of this isn’t a web app, it’s a hack. 

Read up: 

"caches the pages of your WordPress blog and delivers them without accessing 
the database…
WP Super Cache gets around that. When it is installed, html files are generated 
and they are served without ever invoking a single line of PHP."
http://z9.io/wp-super-cache/

"How to cache Wordpress DB so it doesn't Query MySql?"
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15622440/how-to-cache-wordpress-db-so-it-doesnt-query-mysql


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Re: [css-d] New website

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> On 4 Feb 2016, at 9:10 AM, Mi B  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 30 jan. 2016 kl. 18:42 skrev D'Arcy J.M. Cain :
>> 
>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:33:56 +0100
>> MiB  wrote:
 30 jan 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev D'Arcy J.M. Cain :
 
 Have you considered checking your database access?  WP sites
 basically get all their content from a MySQL database.If the
 database is slow that will slow down your site.
>>> 
>>> Well, this shouldn’t be true for server cached URL’s, would it? With
>> 
>> Not sure why not.  As far as the server is concerned the pages are
>> dynamic.  How would it know whether anything changed?  It's only static
>> pages that can be cached.
> 
> I’m glad you asked. This is not how a well made server cache works. The 
> fundamental idea behind a server cache is to render pages and update the 
> cached page in question only when you make changes to the source. A web app 
> that  can’t keep track of this isn’t a web app, it’s a hack. 
> 
> Read up: 
> 
> "caches the pages of your WordPress blog and delivers them without accessing 
> the database…
> WP Super Cache gets around that. When it is installed, html files are 
> generated and they are served without ever invoking a single line of PHP."
> http://z9.io/wp-super-cache/
> 
> "How to cache Wordpress DB so it doesn't Query MySql?"
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15622440/how-to-cache-wordpress-db-so-it-doesnt-query-mysql
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Tom Livingston]

I believe you can at least use their website. They have Mac apps. Not sure
about other OSes.

On Saturday, January 30, 2016, Karl DeSaulniers 
wrote:

> Thanks Tom,
> Did not know about JPEGmini. Is it Mac platform?
>
> Best,
>
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> Design Drumm
> http://designdrumm.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Tom Livingston  > wrote:
>
> > I use both imageoptim and JPEGmini. Combined they do a good job.
> >
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Re: [css-d] New website

[MiB]

30 jan 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev D'Arcy J.M. Cain :

> Have you considered checking your database access?  WP sites basically
> get all their content from a MySQL database.If the database is slow
> that will slow down your site.

Well, this shouldn’t be true for server cached URL’s, would it? With a proper 
working cache, there should only be html, CSS, JS and media files to serve up. 
DB requests should only happen after an update or a cache rebuild.

That said, I’ve been just handed a dreadful Wordpress site, with a typical 
response time of 11 seconds and that have some in-page executing JS, that makes 
 total render time about 80 seconds (!). Compare that to my java driven site 
that responds in 0.2 seconds and renders in 2. Also in my own site performance 
per visitor increases or stay the same after initial load. In this WP site it 
gets worse and worse.

Also, the cache in this site seem to not be able to improve response times.

I’ll definitely minify the Style sheets and use gzip once I’ve installed and 
configured a new cache function. Thanks for those suggestions and reminder on 
Google insight, Philippe. Thanks Mike for the tip on gtmetrix.com and to 
everyone else sharing.

I find it very hard to get peer input in the world of Wordpress. You ask a 
simple question and get a response 1-2 years later. I could build a new site in 
another language in that time (and learn it from scratch). Where do you ask WP 
questions and get a response? Maybe there are good email discussion groups for 
WP?


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Re: [css-d] New website

[D'Arcy J.M. Cain]

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:33:56 +0100
MiB  wrote:
> 30 jan 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev D'Arcy J.M. Cain :
> 
> > Have you considered checking your database access?  WP sites
> > basically get all their content from a MySQL database.If the
> > database is slow that will slow down your site.
> 
> Well, this shouldn’t be true for server cached URL’s, would it? With

Not sure why not.  As far as the server is concerned the pages are
dynamic.  How would it know whether anything changed?  It's only static
pages that can be cached.

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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Ok good to know. Thanks!

Best,
Karl

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> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Tom Livingston  wrote:
> 
> I believe you can at least use their website. They have Mac apps. Not sure 
> about other OSes. 
> 
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2016, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:
>> Thanks Tom,
>> Did not know about JPEGmini. Is it Mac platform?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Karl DeSaulniers
>> Design Drumm
>> http://designdrumm.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Tom Livingston  wrote:
>> 
>> > I use both imageoptim and JPEGmini. Combined they do a good job.
>> >
>> > Tom Livingston | Senior Front End Developer | Media Logic |
>> > ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | medialogic.com
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Thanks Tom,
Did not know about JPEGmini. Is it Mac platform?

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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> I use both imageoptim and JPEGmini. Combined they do a good job. 
> 
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

https://developer.wordpress.org

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On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:33 AM, MiB  wrote:

> Where do you ask WP questions and get a response? Maybe there are good email 
> discussion groups for WP?

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Re: [css-d] New website

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:00:35 -0600
Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:
> I have ImageOptim and did crunch them. I will do again.
> As far as the Gzip, I agree, however I was told to split 
> the css files up so there was less code to load and less load time.
> Mind you when the Gzip is in place it make more of a difference.
> Was I told wrong?? Thank you for your feedback.

Have you considered checking your database access?  WP sites basically
get all their content from a MySQL database.If the database is slow
that will slow down your site.

Personally I would never build a site with WP.  Here are a few reasons.
 - Everything is in the database which is slower than static files.
 - It uses PHP - the worst language on the planet.
 - No matter how much you customize it still smells like a WP site.
 - It's not the cleanest use of style sheets.

I like to write everything using server side includes (SSI) and create
a header and footer file to define the design which I include into
every page.  If I need any dynamic content I write a script that does
nothing but generate that part of the page and include that with exec.
There is no style in any of those files.  All of that is in the style
sheet which gets downloaded once by the browser and then cached.

For scripting I use Python, a much better language than PHP.  Ruby
looks good too.  Even shell scripting will work.

I also eschew Javascript but it does have its uses as long as the site
is still functional with JS turned off.  I find that I can do
everything I need with CSS.

Have I started enough religious wars for today.  :-)

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Re: [css-d] New website

[Tom Livingston]

I use both imageoptim and JPEGmini. Combined they do a good job.

On Friday, January 29, 2016, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:

> Interesting. Thanks for the feedback.
> I am going to see what Gzipping the files and images is going to take.
> Right now I just replace the theme images with a fresh crunch and things
> are loading much quicker.
> Now I have to download all the images in the uploads folder and do the
> same.
> Thanks for the tips and feedback everyone!
>
> Best,
>
> Karl DeSaulniers
> Design Drumm
> http://designdrumm.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:15 PM, Mike O'Toole  > wrote:
>
> > Karl,
> >
> > I used a different speed test that gives a LOT of tips on each aspect of
> the time to completion. There is a wealth of insight in the tips, in a few
> cases they fizzle out (tips) but this list is awesome with feedback! In my
> 1st test page load speed was 5.1 seconds, a second one 4.9 seconds.
> >
> > https://gtmetrix.com/reports/tpsautoshippers.com/5MxjYmgX
> >
> > The biggest takeaway in that was the first file took 1.2 seconds to be
> requested and delivered. One site I have on shared hosting (about 1,500
> sites total) loads the first file in 111 milliseconds, about 10 times
> faster. I would try to get that below a 1/2 second, preferably 1/4 second
> (250 milliseconds).
> >
> > I have target page load times of: non-profit (1.5 seconds or less); for
> profit 1.2 seconds (usually have lots more trinkets, scripts and graphics).
> >
> > On that test site a B minus grade on both tests (PageSpeed & YSlow) is
> readily achievable with MOST themes PROVIDED your host allows GZIP for all
> files AND has a caching firewall between the server and the Internet.
> >
> > As to some of their 'advanced' score categories - few shared hosts allow
> setting header expiration headers nor enitity tags. so don't swaet trying
> for A minus or above, especially if you have multiple scripts and css files
> loading.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On 01/29/2016 10:35 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> >> Looks like its a varying degree. My test was a little quicker.
> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_ED_5MQ/
> >> I guess I can look into gzipping the transfer. That's something I don't
> think I've done.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Karl DeSaulniers
> >> Design Drumm
> >> http://designdrumm.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell  > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Karl,
> >>>
> >>> I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine.
> What really stands out to me is the slow performance:
> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly.
> >>>
> >>> I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo.
> >>>
> >>> I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers"  > wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress
> website I just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all
> screens and work on old IEs as well.
> >>> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send
> off-list if you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it
> works on assisted devices, hoping it does.
> >>>
> >>> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me
> know if you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
> >>> TIA
> >>>
> >>> http://tpsautoshippers.com
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Karl DeSaulniers
> >>> Design Drumm
> >>> http://designdrumm.com
> >>>
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Thanks Philippe,
I have ImageOptim and did crunch them. I will do again.
As far as the Gzip, I agree, however I was told to split 
the css files up so there was less code to load and less load time.
Mind you when the Gzip is in place it make more of a difference.
Was I told wrong?? Thank you for your feedback.

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com



On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh  wrote:
> 
> You really should look into the network performance. The site loaded quite 
> slowly here (Japan, on a 1Gps pipe, Safari 9.0). Crunch your images with 
> Imageoptim [1]. Gzip your stylesheets [2]. Merge you stylesheets.
> 
> I didn’t run into particular issues otherwise.
> 
> Listen — with the proverbial big grain of salt — to  Google Page speed 
> insights
> https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftpsautoshippers.com
> 
> [1] I took this image: 
> http://tpsautoshippers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DomesticDelivery_slide2-1600x569.jpg?1454124914409,
>  and ImageOptim crunched it from 214Kb to 199Kb (that is 7%).
> 
> [2] example: 
> http://www.whatsmyip.org/http-compression-test/?url=aHR0cDovL3Rwc2F1dG9zaGlwcGVycy5jb20vd3AtY29udGVudC90aGVtZXMvR2FyYWdlL3N0eWxlLmNzcw==
> 
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Sorry Philippe, 
The css you get to see was done by someone else. 
Most of my css "from scratch" is in the admin area.
I did modifications to that css. You might be able to see the difference in 
style of writing.
I cuddle my braces.

So your saying put all the css for all users in on css file then minify?
This is a WordPress theme that allows the user to select different types of css 
or add their own I might mention.
I don't know how putting all the css together would work in this scenario.

Where can I minify if I am not using node.js? 
I will do my own google search too, just wondering of any gold links out there 
people have sworn by.
TIA

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
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On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh  wrote:
> 
> Oh, no, I don’t think so, particularly as you load all stylesheets for 
> everybody.
> 
> You could eventually split them up based on media queries, but otherwise 
> there is little or no benefit.
> e.g. 
> 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Media_Queries/Using_media_queries
> 
> Something more you can do: minify your stylesheet(s). The browser/end user 
> doesn’t need all your comments… And it does make a difference. I have a 
> project under development, the stylesheet is about 135Kb; minified it is 
> reduced to 75Kb, and then Gzip will bring it down to something like 40Kb. 
> That applies to JS feels as well, btw.
> 
> I use https://github.com/jakubpawlowicz/clean-css for that.
> There is an online version here:  http://gpbmike.github.io/refresh-sf/
> 
> Philippe
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Looks like its a varying degree. My test was a little quicker.  
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_ED_5MQ/
I guess I can look into gzipping the transfer. That's something I don't think 
I've done. 

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell  wrote:

> Hi Karl,
> 
> I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine.  What 
> really stands out to me is the slow performance: 
> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly.
> 
> I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo.
> 
> I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers"  wrote:
> Hi All,
> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I 
> just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work 
> on old IEs as well.
> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if 
> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on 
> assisted devices, hoping it does.
> 
> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if 
> you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
> TIA
> 
> http://tpsautoshippers.com
> 
> Best,
> 
> Karl DeSaulniers
> Design Drumm
> http://designdrumm.com
> 
> 
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 13:00, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:
> 
>  however I was told to split 
> the css files up so there was less code to load and less load time.

Oh, no, I don’t think so, particularly as you load all stylesheets for 
everybody.

You could eventually split them up based on media queries, but otherwise there 
is little or no benefit.
e.g. 

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Media_Queries/Using_media_queries

Something more you can do: minify your stylesheet(s). The browser/end user 
doesn’t need all your comments… And it does make a difference. I have a project 
under development, the stylesheet is about 135Kb; minified it is reduced to 
75Kb, and then Gzip will bring it down to something like 40Kb. That applies to 
JS feels as well, btw.

I use https://github.com/jakubpawlowicz/clean-css for that.
There is an online version here:  http://gpbmike.github.io/refresh-sf/

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Re: [css-d] New website

[Mike O'Toole]

Karl,

I used a different speed test that gives a LOT of tips on each aspect of 
the time to completion. There is a wealth of insight in the tips, in a 
few cases they fizzle out (tips) but this list is awesome with feedback! 
In my 1st test page load speed was 5.1 seconds, a second one 4.9 seconds.


https://gtmetrix.com/reports/tpsautoshippers.com/5MxjYmgX

The biggest takeaway in that was the first file took 1.2 seconds to be 
requested and delivered. One site I have on shared hosting (about 1,500 
sites total) loads the first file in 111 milliseconds, about 10 times 
faster. I would try to get that below a 1/2 second, preferably 1/4 
second (250 milliseconds).


I have target page load times of: non-profit (1.5 seconds or less); for 
profit 1.2 seconds (usually have lots more trinkets, scripts and graphics).


On that test site a B minus grade on both tests (PageSpeed & YSlow) is 
readily achievable with MOST themes PROVIDED your host allows GZIP for 
all files AND has a caching firewall between the server and the Internet.


As to some of their 'advanced' score categories - few shared hosts allow 
setting header expiration headers nor enitity tags. so don't swaet 
trying for A minus or above, especially if you have multiple scripts and 
css files loading.


Mike

On 01/29/2016 10:35 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

Looks like its a varying degree. My test was a little quicker.  
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_ED_5MQ/
I guess I can look into gzipping the transfer. That's something I don't think 
I've done.

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com



On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell  wrote:


Hi Karl,

I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine.  What 
really stands out to me is the slow performance: 
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly.

I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo.

I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader.

Chris

On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers"  wrote:
Hi All,
I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I just 
finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work on old 
IEs as well.
Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if you 
feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on assisted 
devices, hoping it does.

I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if 
you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
TIA

http://tpsautoshippers.com

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Chris Rockwell]

Hi Karl,

I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine.  What
really stands out to me is the slow performance:
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly.

I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo.

I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader.

Chris
On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers"  wrote:

> Hi All,
> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website
> I just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and
> work on old IEs as well.
> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if
> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on
> assisted devices, hoping it does.
>
> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know
> if you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
> TIA
>
> http://tpsautoshippers.com
>
> Best,
>
> Karl DeSaulniers
> Design Drumm
> http://designdrumm.com
>
>
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Interesting. Thanks for the feedback.
I am going to see what Gzipping the files and images is going to take.
Right now I just replace the theme images with a fresh crunch and things are 
loading much quicker.
Now I have to download all the images in the uploads folder and do the same.
Thanks for the tips and feedback everyone!

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com



On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:15 PM, Mike O'Toole  wrote:

> Karl,
> 
> I used a different speed test that gives a LOT of tips on each aspect of the 
> time to completion. There is a wealth of insight in the tips, in a few cases 
> they fizzle out (tips) but this list is awesome with feedback! In my 1st test 
> page load speed was 5.1 seconds, a second one 4.9 seconds.
> 
> https://gtmetrix.com/reports/tpsautoshippers.com/5MxjYmgX
> 
> The biggest takeaway in that was the first file took 1.2 seconds to be 
> requested and delivered. One site I have on shared hosting (about 1,500 sites 
> total) loads the first file in 111 milliseconds, about 10 times faster. I 
> would try to get that below a 1/2 second, preferably 1/4 second (250 
> milliseconds).
> 
> I have target page load times of: non-profit (1.5 seconds or less); for 
> profit 1.2 seconds (usually have lots more trinkets, scripts and graphics).
> 
> On that test site a B minus grade on both tests (PageSpeed & YSlow) is 
> readily achievable with MOST themes PROVIDED your host allows GZIP for all 
> files AND has a caching firewall between the server and the Internet.
> 
> As to some of their 'advanced' score categories - few shared hosts allow 
> setting header expiration headers nor enitity tags. so don't swaet trying for 
> A minus or above, especially if you have multiple scripts and css files 
> loading.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 01/29/2016 10:35 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
>> Looks like its a varying degree. My test was a little quicker.  
>> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_ED_5MQ/
>> I guess I can look into gzipping the transfer. That's something I don't 
>> think I've done.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Karl DeSaulniers
>> Design Drumm
>> http://designdrumm.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Karl,
>>> 
>>> I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine.  What 
>>> really stands out to me is the slow performance: 
>>> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly.
>>> 
>>> I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo.
>>> 
>>> I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers"  wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website 
>>> I just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and 
>>> work on old IEs as well.
>>> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if 
>>> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on 
>>> assisted devices, hoping it does.
>>> 
>>> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know 
>>> if you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
>>> TIA
>>> 
>>> http://tpsautoshippers.com
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Karl DeSaulniers
>>> Design Drumm
>>> http://designdrumm.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Ah, thanks Chris,
I guess I should mention this is a purchased WordPress theme that has been 
updated and modified by me.
So some of the loading and excess scrolling and imagery was pre-built. 

I tried crunching my PNGs and  JPEGs, but I admit there are a lot.
Not sure what to do more than that. Any tips?

Thanks for the feedback!

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell  wrote:

> Hi Karl,
> 
> I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine.  What 
> really stands out to me is the slow performance: 
> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly.
> 
> I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo.
> 
> I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers"  wrote:
> Hi All,
> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I 
> just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work 
> on old IEs as well.
> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if 
> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on 
> assisted devices, hoping it does.
> 
> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if 
> you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
> TIA
> 
> http://tpsautoshippers.com
> 
> Best,
> 
> Karl DeSaulniers
> Design Drumm
> http://designdrumm.com
> 
> 
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:49, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:
> 
> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I 
> just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work 
> on old IEs as well.
> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if 
> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on 
> assisted devices, hoping it does.
> 
> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if 
> you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :)
> TIA
> 
> http://tpsautoshippers.com

You really should look into the network performance. The site loaded quite 
slowly here (Japan, on a 1Gps pipe, Safari 9.0). Crunch your images with 
Imageoptim [1]. Gzip your stylesheets [2]. Merge you stylesheets.

I didn’t run into particular issues otherwise.

Listen — with the proverbial big grain of salt — to  Google Page speed insights
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftpsautoshippers.com

[1] I took this image: 
http://tpsautoshippers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DomesticDelivery_slide2-1600x569.jpg?1454124914409,
 and ImageOptim crunched it from 214Kb to 199Kb (that is 7%).

[2] example: 
http://www.whatsmyip.org/http-compression-test/?url=aHR0cDovL3Rwc2F1dG9zaGlwcGVycy5jb20vd3AtY29udGVudC90aGVtZXMvR2FyYWdlL3N0eWxlLmNzcw==

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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[tomo jacobson]

thanks a lot for all the tips!
it's very useful.

love from
Tomo

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On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Duncan Hill dun...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:09:33 +0100, tomo jacobson tomojacob...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 2. i used TABLE and ALIGN attribute and TARGET attribute... TABLE and
 ALIGN appears in the footer.
 the footer is pretty crazy codewise, but i couldn't get it any other
 way...
 TARGET is my choice, i really would like to open links in a new window.

 Tomo

 I've done a quick remake of your footer if you want to get rid of the table.
 It works down to around 815px wide and then it begins to wrap and so is
 partially hidden because of the fixed footer size.
 Two possible solutions to that, a) use an @media statement to change the
 footer parameters for a narrower viewport. b) as you are using html scaling
 of your images, dropping the size in the code to 'height=35 will allow a
 comfortable 800px viewport.
 http://redlemonarts.com/dev/strona/news.htm
 and the css file is
 http://redlemonarts.com/dev/strona/style.css
 there are no modifications to your existing css code, and the added rules
 are marked.
 HTML changes involve a couple of extra div's but that is still lighter
 weight than your table.

 Duncan

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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Chris Blake]

mac, safari 5 - it's all good. I think it's really cool and unique!



On 22/07/2010, at 9:09 PM, tomo jacobson wrote:

 hi,

 i'm an amateur. i haven't done any website since early high-school...

 anyway this is what i achieved (can't post the link, sorry...):

 tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/


 there're some things i don't feel good about:

 1. footer... when u shrink the window and scroll right/left, text in
 the content gets over a sidebar menu. also the footer doesn't scroll
 right/left when u shrink the window.
 (maybe it doesn't matter cause nobody will shrink the window to  
 820px?)

 2. i used TABLE and ALIGN attribute and TARGET attribute... TABLE and
 ALIGN appears in the footer.
 the footer is pretty crazy codewise, but i couldn't get it any other  
 way...
 TARGET is my choice, i really would like to open links in a new  
 window.

 3. i used help from IE7 script (i'll never do fixed header, footer and
 a sidebar menu at one page again! - damn ie...). i'm affraid that some
 people might have javascript disabled... but maybe nowdays it's almost
 nobody who does it?

 4. i'd like to add RSS, but don't know how yet...

 i guess that's all.
 i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.

 regards,
 
 Tomo
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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[David Laakso]

tomo jacobson wrote:

 tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/



 i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.

 regards,

   







As already mentioned earlier this morning, below is a suggestion rather 
than a criticism [ I never tire of repeating myself although I am aware 
others find it rather obnoxious... :-) ].


body {
font/*-family*/: 100% Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif;
/*font-size: 105%;*/
/*text-align: justify;*/
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
background: url(images/kratka.jpg) repeat left bottom fixed;
}


#menu {
position: fixed;
width: 150px;
margin-top: 95px;
/*font-size: 130%;*/
}





Best,
Jan Tschichold



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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Climis, Tim]

  i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.

It'd be nice if there was some kind of clue that there are links on the first 
page.  I don't know that most people will discover that a few random letters 
produce hover effects.

---Tim
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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Chris Blake]

On 22/07/2010, at 10:40 PM, Climis, Tim wrote:

 i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.

 It'd be nice if there was some kind of clue that there are links on  
 the first page.  I don't know that most people will discover that a  
 few random letters produce hover effects.


I heard something interesting the other day - as i have a new friend  
that has done loads of crazy flash things for some pretty massive  
brands. it went something along the lines of..
the big brands are corporate weazels but in bid to keep face they will  
execute something that is hard to navigate, kinda weird and so on. the  
theory, cos it has to be money after all they re corporate scum, is  
that the rich will look at this quirky thing - think that they 'get  
it' because they are that brand. but do they really know what the  
artist is doing - does it really serve a purpose?

anyhow, the page is humble and intriguing. I found it easy enough and  
although i remember the first time not being too impressed once ur in  
and u see the rest of the quirkiness then it works - if u have  
ventured this far then u are the right kind of person to be viewing.  
if not u wouldnt have even bothered looking. I think it's kid of cool  
- exclusive in a way. it is something i am battling with designing my  
own.

there are peple, clients that aren't scared of the new, my dig my  
style, might even oay me to spend time dreaming and being an artist  
once more but then there is always the majority looking for functiona  
nd surely there is a template that makes them say 'OK'.

it's toss up - but in a way presenting my cirporate work on an  
slightly quirky, original site shows that iam capable - but left to my  
own devices (is that the word?) I wouldn't bother - unless I was  
learning something new in the process.

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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Bobby Jack]

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, tomo jacobson tomojacob...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,
 
 i'm an amateur. i haven't done any website since early
 high-school...
 
 anyway this is what i achieved (can't post the link,
 sorry...):
 
 tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/

I think there are three interweaving factors that /can/ (and often do) compete, 
that need to be taken into account during any design:

1. Pragmatism - are you interested in delivering your message to every single 
last member of your potential audience, or are you happy to serve the majority?

2. Creativity - how much are you looking for the visuals to be a feature of the 
site in their own right, as opposed to merely being a pretty wrapping for the 
content? How much is the site an expression of who you are, as well as a tool 
for communicating information?

3. Morality - how happy are you to enforce certain limitations, bearing in mind 
(partly) how you would feel if it were you on the receiving end?

Most of your issues can be evaluated according to those factors. For example, 
take the issue of the front-page navigation:

1. Pragmatism. Not everyone will 'get' this'. It's certainly not very 
keyboard-friendly. And, I imagine, it's not very touch-friendly, either. Those 
3 points will each diminish your potential audience to some extent, and to 
different degrees.

2. Creativity. This is a nice, attractive effect, which certainly isn't 
commonplace. It's a look at me kind of feature, and it offers a brief amount 
of enjoyment for the visitor as they sweep their mouse across the letters and 
discover what's underneath. It also adds a nice dash of colour, and is friendly 
and playful.

3. Morality. Does it matter to you that some people won't be able to use this 
interface, and may feel aggrieved or even angered? Are there improvements you 
could make for keyboard users (clue: it may be as simple as adding :focus where 
you currently have :hover in your CSS)?

That's just one example - your screen width issue is also ripe for this kind of 
evaluation.

I'm not trying to answer these questions for you; these are your decisions to 
make. But I think it's worth thinking about the design in these terms, and also 
bearing in mind that, whilst these factors compete to some extent, they can 
also be made to work together, keeping compromise to a minimum. Some of what I 
consider to be the 'best' websites nowadays do exactly that.

BTW, I think that, overall, your site is attractive, funny (in a good way!), 
and fulfils its purpose very well. Good luck in your venture.

- Bobby
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Re: [css-d] New website

[David Laakso]

Dipesh Parmar wrote:
 Hello everyone, if anyone is interested i've created phase 1 of the latest 
 site i'm working on. Any thoughts and criticism's gratefully received, as a 
 newbie to web design feedback is essential! 

 http://rspca-brighton.co.uk

 Dipesh 

   






It seems to do well cross-browser -- a little deep in IE/6 -- but that's no big 
deal as that browser is on death-row unless you want to take the time to 
correct it [1].

A couple of minor markup errors here and there that you may want to attend to...

Brutal stress testing at extreme + and - font settings, and other such stress 
test methods, may bring up some issues... but in general, I think you have done 
a good job.

Best, and good luck.

~d


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Re: [css-d] New website

[Lauren O'Donovan]

Hello,

I think you've done a good job overall to the site, which is for an
excellent cause, and best of luck with future improvements.

I noticed that you have text in several images, but this text is not
provided in the alt attribute of the img tag. Having text in images is bad
for a few reasons (even if you do give an alt=):


   1. People can't highlight it and copy and paste
   2. Blind computer users will not know there is text in the image unless
   you provide this text in the alt attribute of the img tag
   3. Visually impaired computer users (or those who like big text) will not
   be able to increase the text size of text in images using controls on their
   browser


Instead of putting the text in the images, you can position the text over
the image with CSS and it will be much more accessible.

I'm thinking that you knew all this already, but were working with the older
stuff that existed on the website, but just thought I'd reply in case it's
useful!




On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:55 PM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com
 wrote:

 Dipesh Parmar wrote:
  Hello everyone, if anyone is interested i've created phase 1 of the
 latest site i'm working on. Any thoughts and criticism's gratefully
 received, as a newbie to web design feedback is essential!
 
  http://rspca-brighton.co.uk
 
  Dipesh
 
 






 It seems to do well cross-browser -- a little deep in IE/6 -- but that's no
 big deal as that browser is on death-row unless you want to take the time
 to correct it [1].

 A couple of minor markup errors here and there that you may want to attend
 to...

 Brutal stress testing at extreme + and - font settings, and other such
 stress test methods, may bring up some issues... but in general, I think you
 have done a good job.

 Best, and good luck.

 ~d


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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Duncan Hill]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:09:33 +0100, tomo jacobson tomojacob...@gmail.com  
wrote:


 2. i used TABLE and ALIGN attribute and TARGET attribute... TABLE and
 ALIGN appears in the footer.
 the footer is pretty crazy codewise, but i couldn't get it any other  
 way...
 TARGET is my choice, i really would like to open links in a new window.

 Tomo

I've done a quick remake of your footer if you want to get rid of the  
table.
It works down to around 815px wide and then it begins to wrap and so is  
partially hidden because of the fixed footer size.
Two possible solutions to that, a) use an @media statement to change the  
footer parameters for a narrower viewport. b) as you are using html  
scaling of your images, dropping the size in the code to 'height=35 will  
allow a comfortable 800px viewport.
http://redlemonarts.com/dev/strona/news.htm
and the css file is
http://redlemonarts.com/dev/strona/style.css
there are no modifications to your existing css code, and the added rules  
are marked.
HTML changes involve a couple of extra div's but that is still lighter  
weight than your table.

Duncan
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Duncan Hill]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:54:45 +0100, Dipesh Parmar  
dipesh.par...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 Hello everyone, if anyone is interested i've created phase 1 of the  
 latest site i'm working on. Any thoughts and criticism's gratefully  
 received, as a newbie to web design feedback is essential!

 http://rspca-brighton.co.uk

 Its my biggest project to date, and luckily, i've been given a free  
 reign over where to take the site. Phase 1 was to clean up the old site,  
 which was horrendous, especially the navigational which was atrocious!  
 Anyway, i've spent the last 3 weeks cleaning it up and making it as  
 user-friendly as possible. The sites not going to win any awards but  
 hopefully it 'does the job'. Phase 2 concerns areas which will be new to  
 me, such as creating a CMS platform, spending more time on the graphical  
 side of it (of most interest to me as i'm an artist), making the site  
 more interactive, more content etc. Theres plenty of scope for  
 experimentation i hope.

 regards,

 Dipesh

Hi Dipesh, nice site for a great cause.

One problem I noticed was a flickering on your menu when hovering close to  
the right side of it.
It seems that you have two different widths set for the link
ul.leftmenu li a is set at 136px wide,
ul.leftmenu li a:hover is set at 116px wide

you have a relatively trivial validation error with some of the images  
having 'Alt' attributes instead of 'alt'.

Duncan
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