Re: 2 simple questions

2001-02-16 Thread Anthony Fox
Brad Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 other question may be a little more complicated.  I am using gdm to
 login and I normaly run Enlightenment but I wanted to try out Gnome
 but when I selecect it from the gdm menu it starts gnome and kde
 together. I have replaced the /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome script with
 one that just has exec /usr/bin/gnome-session but that didn't help,
 if I start kde it works fine and it is a script that just has exec
 /usr/bin/startkde, any ideas on this one?

Enlightenment is a window manager that runs on top of gnome.  Gnome
does not have its own window manager.  KDE on the other hand is both
the desktop environment and the window manager.

So you can't really run gnome without a window manager.  You need
enlightenment or sawfish or some wm.

I am not sure what you mean when you say kde and gnome start
together.  I don't see how this is possible.  I think gnome and kde
have support modes for each other, but you wouldn't, say, get both the
gnome panel and the kde panel.

HTH,
Anthony



Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Martin_Tanzer



As far as I know you only might want to reboot if you change the hostname and
want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might be usefull.

For the deamons the startscripts redide in /etc/init.d (SuSE/sbin/init.d/) and
all accept start, stop, sometimes status, reload, restart. Try it by typing them
without an argument.
When you edit /etc/inittab, which is a little dangerous for newbes, you reload
with init q.

If you are not sure wich deamons you have to restart, change the runlevel. init
1 brings you to the singleuser mode without network I think, init 2 i.e. brings
you to runlevel 2 and starts whatever you've defined in /etc/init.d/rc2.d. I
allways use that if I change the IP-Address, because I am to lazy to restart the
network and the routing ;-)

The Linuxcommunity is proud of their uptimes, so we never reboot...

martin





SamBozo Debian User [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 16.02.2001 15:37:06

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Thema:  Rebooting is foolish 




Hello to the group,
 Recently there were comments made as to the foolishness of rebooting
just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys
that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for
different config files? SHUP something? blabla stop/start/restart
 It's a wonderful thing to already know all this... how about sharing?
And if the standard RTFM reply is to be used ... please specify which
freaking manual we are refering to reading.
 Any hostility you may percieve is directed at my newbie ignorance and
the joys? of the learning curve ... gurrr!

TIA,
Sam Morgan

http://www.wcc.net/~peacemkr


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Re: upgrade to xfree 4.0.x

2001-02-16 Thread peter
Am Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 14:44 schrieb Nils Crefeld:
 Hello,

 i'm running potato r2 with xfree 3.3.6. now i would like to upgrade to
 xfree 4.0.x. I tried to put a line for the woody release into my
 sources.list, but then dselect wants to update all newer packages. i just
 want to upgrade the xserver (and maybe some other packages x depends on)
 and not everything. is there a way to do this?

 Nils

hi ...

try to use apt-get

with apt-get update you receive the package informations (provided by 
/etc/apt/sources.list)...
with apt-get install packagename you get the wanted packages...
but it's usefull (when dealing with woody) to use apt-get -s install 
packagename,
then apt-get only shows what it would do...

i hope i could help you a bit, cos im a newbie either...

greets peter



Re: upgrade to xfree 4.0.x

2001-02-16 Thread Ray Percival
That would be the way you should be able to do it. I was never 

able to get it to work. Too many things that broke other things 

etc. I just ended up going to testing and have been *very* happy 

with it so far. With a couple of minor exceptions nothing has 

broken and it is in terms of performance just as stable as Potato, 

IMHO.
-- Original Message --
From: peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:05:42 +0100

Am Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 14:44 schrieb Nils Crefeld:
 Hello,

 i'm running potato r2 with xfree 3.3.6. now i would like to 

upgrade to
 xfree 4.0.x. I tried to put a line for the woody release into 

my
 sources.list, but then dselect wants to update all newer 

packages. i just
 want to upgrade the xserver (and maybe some other packages x 

depends on)
 and not everything. is there a way to do this?

 Nils

hi ...

try to use apt-get

with apt-get update you receive the package informations 

(provided by 
/etc/apt/sources.list)...
with apt-get install packagename you get the wanted 

packages...
but it's usefull (when dealing with woody) to use apt-get -s 

install 
packagename,
then apt-get only shows what it would do...

i hope i could help you a bit, cos im a newbie either...

greets peter


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Re: upgrade to xfree 4.0.x

2001-02-16 Thread Ray Percival
That would be the way you should be able to do it. I was never 
able to get it to work. Too many things that broke other things 
etc. I just ended up going to testing and have been *very* happy 
with it so far. With a couple of minor exceptions nothing has 
broken and it is in terms of performance just as stable as Potato, 
IMHO.
-- Original Message --
From: peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:05:42 +0100

Am Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 14:44 schrieb Nils Crefeld:
 Hello,

 i'm running potato r2 with xfree 3.3.6. now i would like to 

upgrade to
 xfree 4.0.x. I tried to put a line for the woody release into 

my
 sources.list, but then dselect wants to update all newer 

packages. i just
 want to upgrade the xserver (and maybe some other packages x 

depends on)
 and not everything. is there a way to do this?

 Nils

hi ...

try to use apt-get

with apt-get update you receive the package informations 

(provided by 
/etc/apt/sources.list)...
with apt-get install packagename you get the wanted 

packages...
but it's usefull (when dealing with woody) to use apt-get -s 

install 
packagename,
then apt-get only shows what it would do...

i hope i could help you a bit, cos im a newbie either...

greets peter


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why does Apache depend on MySQL libs?

2001-02-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would like to install Apache without any MySQL libs. Why does Apache
depend on MySQL in the first place? Seems like if it depended on any DB it
should be Postgres. :-)

-Ian



Re: how to remove Xfree?

2001-02-16 Thread USM Bish
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:58:34AM -0500, seg wrote:
 
  I know I could probably find this info in HOWTOs or whatnots, but I am
 pretty it's quite simple and one of you nice fellows won't mind spending a
 few lines of text to explain:) I basicly want to boot up in the DOS like
 interface, no fancy stuff (just running firewall). Thx
 
---end quoted text---

   In Debian if X is installed, by default, boots into xdm
   gdm etc. depending upon your window manager installation. 
   To avoid this, use [update-rc.d] program,  meant for chang-
   ing init parameters in Sys-V init process.   
   
   Read man for this.
   
   #update-rc.d -f xdm remove
   
   The things that are done by the script include removal of
   all system startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm ... i.e.

   /etc/rc0.d/K01xdm
   /etc/rc1.d/K01xdm
   /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc3.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc4.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc5.d/S99xdm
   /etc/rc6.d/K01xdm

   You will boot into tty mode therafter, and would have to
   use startx subsequently to get into X.

   USM Bish





eth0 gone

2001-02-16 Thread Chris Gray
I'm running the unstable dist and a recent upgrade seems to have destroyed
information needed for my network interfaces.  Running ifconfig displays
the proper details for eth0 and lo but running ifup gives a Bad file
descriptor error.  The /etc/network/interfaces file is intact but under
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ there is only all and default and no eth0 or lo
anymore.

How do I regenerate these?  What is the source of this problem?  Can I
keep it from happening again?

adTHANKSvance,
Chris



apt-get via firewall

2001-02-16 Thread hanasaki
Is there a way to run apt-get through a ftp/http firewall?

Thank you



re discombobulated mirrors

2001-02-16 Thread Heitzso
this morning the de ftp debian unstable
mirror is trashed in that the list of avail
packages doesn't match what's actually
available (offending packages are perl
and tk) while the us ftp debian unstable
mirror miraculously got its act together
after umpteen days of package list not
matching avail packages

this is just an fyi for those of you 
using the de mirror that you may want
to point to the us mirror for awhile


Heitzso



Re: Slow SSH responses from server

2001-02-16 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 08:18:14PM -0800, Forrest English wrote:
 i think it's because your server isn't generating enough entropy.   enter
 random commands at the keyboard somtime.   do ls -lahR /that should
 get you enough randomness to last for awhile.

Any suggestions for keeping the entropy pool full on a headless box that
mostly just serves files and web pages?  Or will the nfs/http accesses
replenish it without requring console interaction?

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Re: why does Apache depend on MySQL libs?

2001-02-16 Thread brian moore
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 09:42:08AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would like to install Apache without any MySQL libs. Why does Apache
 depend on MySQL in the first place? Seems like if it depended on any DB it
 should be Postgres. :-)

Um, apache doesn't depend on MySQL.

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Serial ports - how to get them to coexist peacefully...

2001-02-16 Thread hogan
P133, 48MB RAM, Debian Testing/Unstable (some bits from unstable) 2.2.17 (move
to 2.4.1 on hold for time being whilst I read Rusty's howtos on netfilter etc.
:) ).

Have two onboard ports - ttyS0 and ttyS1 (IRQ 43 respectively)
Have an ISA IO card (everything disabled on card save ttyS3 and lpt3 [dunno
linux equiv] - reason for ISA - only have half slot, full and VLB IO cards in
stockpile :) )

Have modem on ttyS0
Switch between mouse and Wyse60 terminal on ttyS1
Want mouse on ttyS3 but IRQ conflict ttyS1+ttyS3

Can I make the onboard and oncard ttyS's play nice on same IRQ?
... or should I play musical jumpers until they're on separate IRQs?

Read something in 2.4.1 kernel config about making serial ports nice to one
another when on same IRQ.. anything similar in 2.2.x? Should I go to 2.2.18 in
interim? Will I need a custom compile? ... Will Danger Mouse save Penfold in
time? :)



RE: Serial ports - how to get them to coexist peacefully...

2001-02-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
 
 Can I make the onboard and oncard ttyS's play nice on same IRQ?
 ... or should I play musical jumpers until they're on separate IRQs?
 

I would change the jumpers.  Hoping the software ca multiplex is a recipe for
disaster.

 Read something in 2.4.1 kernel config about making serial ports nice to one
 another when on same IRQ.. anything similar in 2.2.x? Should I go to 2.2.18
 in
 interim? Will I need a custom compile? ... Will Danger Mouse save Penfold in
 time? :)
 
 
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Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote:
 
 Hello to the group,
 Recently there were comments made as to the foolishness of rebooting
 just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys

try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with
rebooting
not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to
move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding
it.

fucking seagate hd. fucking sun!# argh.

lesson learned: in 5 years seagate still doesn't make hard disks that
are
worth a shit.(that was the last time i risked using them) in another 
system with seagate cheetahs on raid5, we had a drive die within a week
of the system going into production. quite sad.

nate

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Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Hall Stevenson
 try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad
 experience with rebooting not too long ago. a sun
 ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to move
 a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20
 hours rebuilding it.

Similar experience here at work with a Sun Sparc we had... moved from
one building to another and for whatever reason didn't hook the machine
back up right away (maybe the user wasn't here, it was a weekend, etc,
etc). When we did hook it up, we discovered we had a sticktion problem
! ;-)

One suggestion we had was to drop the case as we powered it up !!

Back to what you're talking about though, that's not the same as
rebooting. To me, rebooting is a warm restart. Shutting down entirely,
as in yours and my examples, are different.

Hall



Re: A debian-based distro for the New

2001-02-16 Thread Chris Gray
Anyone have any experience with DemoLinux?

Version 2.0 is based on Debian.  Its unique feature is that it runs a
complete Linux with KDE or Gnome or Enlightenment straight off of the CD
without installing to your hard drive at all.  If you like it you can
install it to your hard drive.  I ordered the CD in the hopes it would be
something easy to give to curious friends.  My copy should arrive in
today's or Monday's mail.

Homepage: http://www.demolinux.org/

Cheers,
Chris


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 I want them to use a debian based Linux. I love using debian 2.2
 and I am pretty new my-self(1.5 year). I think it might be a little to 
 overwelming for them. I beleive there are three to chose from Corel, Storm
 and Libranet.
 
 I have tried the first two but Libranet I have not tried yet. Anyone tried 
 Libranet? Are there any reasons not to use the others? I wouldn't want the 
 users to try Linux and despise it.
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Re: backing up a complete linux system

2001-02-16 Thread Krzys Majewski
Mike Egglestone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi all.
 I trying to do a backup of my system and I think I might have the
 backup part rightcorrect me if I'm wrong
 I could use this command
 
 tar -cvzf hda2.tar.gz /
 ( I don't need to add this ... --exclude hda2.tar.gz do I ??) 

Yeah you probably  do. You might want to exclude  other stuff to, like
/proc, /mnt, /tmp, and possibly /dev.  Normally device files are created with
/dev/MAKEDEV. 

I back up my machine to 4 100MB ZIP disks, using tar via a script that
sets up  all the options, prompts for  the disks, etc. I  can mail you
the  script  if you  want.  I don't  back  up  everything either.  For
example,  the   only  thing  under   /usr  that  gets  backed   up  is
/usr/local. The  theory being  that I can  re-create the  debian stuff
with   the  appropriate   apt-get   commands,  given   the  stuff   in
/var/cache/apt and so  on. I've never had to  restore the whole system
though, so there might be some bugs to iron out ;)

 anyway... the part where I'm stuck... 
 I have no idea how to restore this tarred file on to a totally new
 drive
 my guess.
 add the other drive partition similar to hda  (swap and such)
 mount the partition say..mount /dev/hdc2 /mnt
 then untar the file  hda2.tar.gz into /mnt..
 now I should have 2 file systems ... one at /
 and the other at   /mnt
 so what do I do now?
 Just put  the hdc drive in  place of the hda drive...  redo lilo and
 presto? 

I'd probably first leave the two drives where they are, reboot to the LILO
prompt, pass a kernel parameter  like root=/dev/hdc2, and see if the
new filesystem does the right  thing (ie boots). I've never replaced a
drive, but you might run into problems  e.g. if the new drive is a lot
bigger and  LILO gets confused, in  which case you might  have to read
the LILO docs and/or upgrade your LILO. 

-chris





Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
On Friday 16 February 2001 17:27, Nate Amsden wrote:
 try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with
 rebooting
 not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to
 move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding
 it.

 fucking seagate hd. fucking sun!# argh.

 lesson learned: in 5 years seagate still doesn't make hard disks that
 are
 worth a shit.(that was the last time i risked using them) in another
 system with seagate cheetahs on raid5, we had a drive die within a week
 of the system going into production. quite sad.

heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob 
with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm 
guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as 
someone already said installing a new kernel.. but otherwise..

urgh, however.. i still have to use Windows for Dreamweaver, any suggestions 
anyone? 

it needs to be a WYSIWYG-editor (till i finally cleanup the generated code) 
that handles nested tables well.. and yes i know they shouldnt be used too 
much, and i wouldnt if i had a server to run apache and a DB



Re: Wake Up on LAN

2001-02-16 Thread Krzys Majewski
I use /usr/sbin/arp. 
There  are  programs that  build  WOL packets  out  there  - look  for
ether-wake.c, for example,
-chris


c-3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 For WOL you need to know the node adress of the network card in 
 the computer you want to wake up. Under Windows you can easily 
 get it by winipcfg. But can someone tell me how to get it under 
 linux?
 
 Christian
 
  
  On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:56:10PM +0100, Barthazi Andras wrote:
  | Hi!
  | 
  | I should have to write a Backup system at my
  | company, and I need a program can wake up
  | the workstations. I know that I have to send
  | the the Magic code, do you know a program
  | can solve it for me? And is it true, that
  | I can just wake up a machine that suspended
  | before (not a machine turned off -- with a
  | motherboard under power)?
  | 
 
 
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Re: necesito información sobre Hurd

2001-02-16 Thread D-Man
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 01:24:58AM +0100, wolfman wrote:
| 
|La cuestión es donde puedo encontrar el kernel para bajarmelo???
|

I don't understand much Spanish (no hablo mucho espanol), but maybe
this will help :

http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/

-D



Re: eth0 gone

2001-02-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Chris Gray wrote:

 I'm running the unstable dist and a recent upgrade seems to have destroyed
 information needed for my network interfaces.  Running ifconfig displays
 the proper details for eth0 and lo but running ifup gives a Bad file
 descriptor error.  The /etc/network/interfaces file is intact but under
 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ there is only all and default and no eth0 or lo
 anymore.

 How do I regenerate these?  What is the source of this problem?  Can I

net-tools version 1.58-1 was broken

Install net-tools != 1.58-1

 keep it from happening again?

Don't run unstable - it's normal that unstable sometimes breaks.

 adTHANKSvance,
 Chris

cu,
Adrian

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Re: apt-get via firewall

2001-02-16 Thread Moritz Schulte
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 Is there a way to run apt-get through a ftp/http firewall?

ftp/http firewall?
If you're doing packet filtering, allow those packets. Or set up a
ftp/http proxy.

hth,
moritz
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Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread SamBozo Debian User
Nate Amsden wrote:

 try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with
 rebooting
 not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to
 move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding
 it. 
 nate

I Have had a simular experience (admitedly as a newbie, so wasn't adapt
at saving the install) I had a box up for a month ... made many changes.
Everything was fine.  Had to shutdown for a thunderstorm. On reboot
install was dorked ... which one of the 100's of changes I made killed
it ???
 
Lesson learned:
Newbie responce ... 
even if it is linux ... 
reboot so you know which change/upgrade killed it ... 
ie better chance to fix it. 

I KNOW THIS is NOT the proper way to do things with Linux ... 
but how else do you know?
Please tell me?
I'll change my evil ways...  

Sam



kde ignores /etc/profile

2001-02-16 Thread Tibor D.

Hi,
what am I doing wrong? I changed the PATH-line in /etc/profile 
(including now /usr/local/xyz/bin), at the end there is also an export 
PATH-line, but when I login via kdm (as user) into kde (version 2 and 
2.1beta), there's still the old PATH set (even after rebooting!). So I 
logged in to another windowmanager, but there it works. Any ideas how to 
correct kde's behaviour?




Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote:

 heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob
 with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm
 guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as
 someone already said installing a new kernel.. but otherwise..

back in 1995(last time that i used seagate) i had 2 conner 420MB drives
and 1 seagate 540 (and now they are the same company *shudder*) fail
within
3 months of using them because of the powersaving auto spindown. ever
since
i have not used that feature unless its on a laptop. and i've only had
1 drive die since(maxtor) in 1998 ..

 
 urgh, however.. i still have to use Windows for Dreamweaver, any suggestions
 anyone?
 
 it needs to be a WYSIWYG-editor (till i finally cleanup the generated code)
 that handles nested tables well.. and yes i know they shouldnt be used too
 much, and i wouldnt if i had a server to run apache and a DB

use vmware..win4lin or something.. i use vmware and it works good. needs
a lot
of ram.. but with 256MB sticks going for under $95 these days ...doesn't
hurt to get 512MB :)

ive been using vmware since the very earliest betas..works great on 
win9x/nt/2k and freebsd4 slackware/debian/redhat/corel/caldera even
solaris 7 x86. rock solid program, never had it crash on me.

doesn't work for games and stuff..but should be fine for dreamweaver if
thats
what you wanna use.

nate

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Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote:

 I KNOW THIS is NOT the proper way to do things with Linux ...
 but how else do you know?
 Please tell me?
 I'll change my evil ways...

if it comes to it you can always go to runlevel 1 (init 1), when it
prompts for
the root password hit CTRL-D to come back to runlevel 2. that will
effectivly
restart all programs on the system except (i think) init, and of course
the 
kernel.

restarting programs really depends on the program, some have scripts to
restart them, others respond to the  -HUP kill signal, but not all. init
1
is the next best thing to rebooting without actually having to reboot.

nate

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Re: 2 simple questions

2001-02-16 Thread Tom Pfeifer
To change the login prompt message, you can edit the file /etc/issue.
You will probably have to restart the login on each console for the
change to take effect. For example you could log in, and then log out,
and you will see the new message.

Tom

Brad Cramer wrote:
 
 I am not really new to linux (used Redhat for 3 years) but I am a recent
 Debian convert and I have a coulpe of simple questions. I am running Debian
 Woody and everything is up to date but I want to know how to change the type
 of system or version of Debian that shows up on a console login screen.
 Right now it says testing/unstable I looked at /etc/debian_version and it
 said the same thing there and I changed it to Woody but that didn't make any
 difference, any ideas? The other question may be a little more complicated.
 I am using gdm to login and I normaly run Enlightenment but I wanted to try
 out Gnome but when I selecect it from the gdm menu it starts gnome and kde
 together. I have replaced the /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome script with one that
 just has exec /usr/bin/gnome-session but that didn't help, if I start kde it
 works fine and it is a script that just has exec /usr/bin/startkde, any
 ideas on this one?
 Thanks
 Brad Cramer




Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
 back in 1995(last time that i used seagate) i had 2 conner 420MB drives
 and 1 seagate 540 (and now they are the same company *shudder*) fail
 within
 3 months of using them because of the powersaving auto spindown. ever
 since
 i have not used that feature unless its on a laptop. and i've only had
 1 drive die since(maxtor) in 1998 ..

..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe, 
but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something 
about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM 
maybe?

 use vmware..win4lin or something.. i use vmware and it works good. needs
 a lot of ram.. but with 256MB sticks going for under $95 these days 
...doesn't hurt to get 512MB :)

mmm, i'll give it a try. Just hope someone will come along with a good 
WYSIWYS-editor for linux (GPL-ed.. ofcourse, unlike Bluefish) some time.


William



annoying modules.dep message

2001-02-16 Thread Dave Bresson


Hi,

Just a quick question that shouldn't be too hard to answer.  Since rolling
my own 2.4.1 kernel, I'm getting this annoying message during bootup that
i can't get to go away:

modprobe:  Note:  /etc/modules.conf is more recent than 
/lib/modules/2.4.1/modules.dep


i tried doing a 'depmod -a' to redo the modules.dep file, and then reboot,
however i still got this message.  Somewhere during the bootup process
something must be doing a touch on modules.conf or something to cause
this.  Perhaps it's the modprobe call in /etc/init.d/modutils ?  I looked
at that script, but couldn't figure it out.  Could anyone tell me how to
fix this?


thanks,


dave



Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote:

 ..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe,
 but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something
 about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM
 maybe?

IBM is all i use now.. i'd buy a maxtor if i wanted a 80GB drive..but i
haven't
tried em yet. but for reliability and running cooler i use ibm.
performance
isn't most important for me. quantum is ok too but they seem to need
more
cooling fans:) last year i had 2 quantums overheat in my desktop even
though i had about 9 fans in the system..they run ok now..added 6 more
fans.

nate


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Re: eth0 gone

2001-02-16 Thread Chris Gray
Thanks, Adrian,

That did the trick.

I know the risks of running unstable and I'm willing to take them to get
the more up-to-date packages.  Actually, I run the stable dist on a
somewhat more mission critical machine.

Chris


On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Adrian Bunk wrote:

 On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Chris Gray wrote:
 
  I'm running the unstable dist and a recent upgrade seems to have destroyed
  information needed for my network interfaces.  Running ifconfig displays
  the proper details for eth0 and lo but running ifup gives a Bad file
  descriptor error.  The /etc/network/interfaces file is intact but under
  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ there is only all and default and no eth0 or lo
  anymore.
 
  How do I regenerate these?  What is the source of this problem?  Can I
 
 net-tools version 1.58-1 was broken
 
 Install net-tools != 1.58-1
 
  keep it from happening again?
 
 Don't run unstable - it's normal that unstable sometimes breaks.
 
  adTHANKSvance,
  Chris
 
 cu,
 Adrian
 
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Re: how to remove auto start to X

2001-02-16 Thread Robin Rowe
If you prefer a simpler method simply use dselect to uninstall xdm or
whatever X login you are using. When you come up in a console mode launch X
using startx.

Cheers,

Robin

- Original Message -
From: USM Bish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: seg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: how to remove Xfree?


 On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:58:34AM -0500, seg wrote:
 
   I know I could probably find this info in HOWTOs or whatnots, but I am
  pretty it's quite simple and one of you nice fellows won't mind spending
a
  few lines of text to explain:) I basicly want to boot up in the DOS like
  interface, no fancy stuff (just running firewall). Thx
 
 ---end quoted text---

In Debian if X is installed, by default, boots into xdm
gdm etc. depending upon your window manager installation.
To avoid this, use [update-rc.d] program,  meant for chang-
ing init parameters in Sys-V init process.

Read man for this.

#update-rc.d -f xdm remove

The things that are done by the script include removal of
all system startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm ... i.e.

/etc/rc0.d/K01xdm
/etc/rc1.d/K01xdm
/etc/rc2.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc3.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc4.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc5.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc6.d/K01xdm

You will boot into tty mode therafter, and would have to
use startx subsequently to get into X.

USM Bish




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Re: A debian-based distro for the New

2001-02-16 Thread Juergen Fiedler
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   Try Stormix. Its Debian with a easy installer and a great gui
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 woody). The installer will also set up X window for you.
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Any truth to the rumor that they have declared bancrupcy(sp?)?
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] automatic perl module building from CPAN

2001-02-16 Thread will trillich
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:47:39AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
 -- 
 see shy jo, who is ready to throttle CPAN for its insessient
 There's a new CPAN.pm version (v1.59) available!

hear hear!

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xwd (GIMP) screen cap error

2001-02-16 Thread Robin Rowe
Hi. I get an error sometimes when attempting a screen capture:

xwd: Warning. Error in XWD-color-structure (flag)
xwd: EOF encountered on reading
xwd: load_image (xwd): XWD-file /root/.gimp/tmp/gimp_temp.277523.xwd has
format 2, depth 24
and bits per pixel 24.
Currently this is not supported.

What's this trying to tell me?

Strangely, sometimes screen capture has a problem and sometimes it doesn't.
If Netscape is up on the screen then screen caps tend to work better. Why
would this be? I'm trying to capture screens containing different video
players (so I can show what the players look like). I can capture (with
difficulty) everything but Xtheater.

Please pardon if this is the wrong place to ask this. I'm guessing it is a
system configuration error, not really an xwd or GIMP problem. I'm running
Potato and XFree 3.3.x. If there is a better place to ask let me know.

Thanks,

Robin



Re: 2 simple questions

2001-02-16 Thread Brad Cramer
Thanks that ddid the trick
- Original Message -
From: Tom Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-users debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: 2 simple questions


 To change the login prompt message, you can edit the file /etc/issue.
 You will probably have to restart the login on each console for the
 change to take effect. For example you could log in, and then log out,
 and you will see the new message.

 Tom

 Brad Cramer wrote:
 
  I am not really new to linux (used Redhat for 3 years) but I am a recent
  Debian convert and I have a coulpe of simple questions. I am running
Debian
  Woody and everything is up to date but I want to know how to change the
type
  of system or version of Debian that shows up on a console login screen.
  Right now it says testing/unstable I looked at /etc/debian_version and
it
  said the same thing there and I changed it to Woody but that didn't make
any
  difference, any ideas? The other question may be a little more
complicated.
  I am using gdm to login and I normaly run Enlightenment but I wanted to
try
  out Gnome but when I selecect it from the gdm menu it starts gnome and
kde
  together. I have replaced the /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome script with one
that
  just has exec /usr/bin/gnome-session but that didn't help, if I start
kde it
  works fine and it is a script that just has exec /usr/bin/startkde, any
  ideas on this one?
  Thanks
  Brad Cramer
 


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Fetchmail Sendmail

2001-02-16 Thread Rob Hudson
I'm using the fetchmail-procmail-sendmail combo to get mail off of a
mailserver, filter it, and read it locally.  I'm using that same mail
server to pass sent mail to.

In this case, I don't know if sendmail is overkill and if I should be
using something different.

What I'd like to fix is this...

When fetchmail gets mail, I think it passes it to sendmail which
checks to make sure the domain exists.  Today, my DNS servers listed
in /etc/resolv.conf were down, and all the mail I fetched got bounced
and lost.  I'd like for this not to happen and get any and all mail
that is in my box no matter if it's spam and has an unresolvable
domain or not.  How can I set this up?

Thanks,
Rob



XFree86Config bpp depth confusion

2001-02-16 Thread Robin Rowe
Hi. I have a little confusion with XFree86Config. What is the difference
between bpp and color depth?

With the DefaultColorDepth set to 24 my screen rate was 115 hz, but at 32 it
is just 85 (max 86). What does choosing 32 or 24 signify? Isn't 24 bits as
much as there actually is?

At 85 hz I can almost (but not quite) get the screen to fit to the edges of
my monitor. Using 85 hz in Win2k/NT/98 booting on the same machine works
fine. In XFree86 3.3.x Potato there is a half inch of black left at the
bottom edge I can't get rid of. Why can't I get the screen to fit using
xvidtune?

Thanks! Relevant sections of XFree86Config below.

Cheers,

Robin

Section Monitor
Identifier  Primary Monitor
VendorName  ViewSonic
ModelName   E790
HorizSync   30-95
VertRefresh 50-200
# DefaultColorDepth 24:
#   Modeline  1024x768  115.50 1024 1104 1296 1440 768 771 781
802 -hsync -vsync
#   Modeline  1024x768  115.50 1024 1088 1280 1300 768 768 806
814 -hsync -vsync
# DefaultColorDepth 32:
#   Modeline  1024x768  85.00 1024 1104 1296 1440 768 771 781
802 -hsync -vsync
Modeline  1024x768 85.00   1024 1100 1292 1328768  771  781
794 -hsync -vsync
EndSection

Section Device
   Identifier  Primary Card
   VendorName  Unknown
   BoardName   Hercules Terminator 128 2X/i AGP
   VideoRam8192
#Option no_accel
#Option sw_cursor
#Option hw_cursor
#Option sgram
#Option sdram
EndSection

Section Screen
   Driver  SVGA
   Device  Primary Card
   Monitor Primary Monitor
   DefaultColorDepth 32
   SubSection Display
  Depth8
  Modes1024x768
   EndSubSection
   SubSection Display
  Depth15
  Modes1024x768
   EndSubSection
   SubSection Display
  Depth16
  Modes1024x768
   EndSubSection
   SubSection Display
  Depth24
  Modes1024x768
   EndSubSection
   SubSection Display
  Depth32
  Modes1024x768
   EndSubSection
EndSection






Re: wav -- audio cd

2001-02-16 Thread Neilen Marais
Hi all

I find that for audio CDs, cdrdao works the best for met.  Cdrecord forces
a 2 second pause between each track.  Cdrdao can make an exact copy of a
cd, that will even cause the correct CDDA entry to be loaded.

Furthmore, it has an automagic copy command, where you just feed it the
original, followed by a blank, and Presto!

Cheers
Neilen



Re: Fetchmail Sendmail

2001-02-16 Thread Matthew Sackman
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:46:10AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
 I'm using the fetchmail-procmail-sendmail combo to get mail off of a
 mailserver, filter it, and read it locally.  I'm using that same mail
 server to pass sent mail to.
 
 In this case, I don't know if sendmail is overkill and if I should be
 using something different.
 
 What I'd like to fix is this...
 
 When fetchmail gets mail, I think it passes it to sendmail which
 checks to make sure the domain exists.

AFAIK, it is actually trying to work out where to deliver email: it is
using the DNS servers to try to work out the final destination for the email.
This behaviour is likely to be because of the usage of sendmail as a mail
gateway, though of course you yourself are not using it as such.

All you need to do (I think) is to make sure that in your /etc/nsswitch.conf
file you have the hosts line as dns first and then files. Hence:

hosts:  dns files
networks:   files

Thus if your dns servers are down then your computer will fall back on the 
files, in which case all you probably need is an entry or two in /etc/hosts
with a localhost entry and your hostname entry.

Personally I use postfix but the configuration is very similar to sendmail.

I could of course be very wrong here!

Matthew

  Today, my DNS servers listed
 in /etc/resolv.conf were down, and all the mail I fetched got bounced
 and lost.  I'd like for this not to happen and get any and all mail
 that is in my box no matter if it's spam and has an unresolvable
 domain or not.  How can I set this up?
 
 Thanks,
 Rob
 
 
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XFree86 agpgart.o

2001-02-16 Thread peter
hi there !!

im recently trying to run an xserver on a fuckin (sorry) i810 intel board...
all those on-board stuff sucks... but anyways...

im running potato with a new 2.4.1 kernel ( i also got the new modutils and 
stuff and all works fine )...
on the xfree site they say to run the server with the i810 chipset i would
need a agpgart.o - module that comes with the server !?!
i cant find it anywhere... i got one compiled with the kernel and modprobe
loads it, but still the server wont start...

heres what it said =

XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: keymap: xfree86(de) (overrides other XKB settings)
(**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/psaux, buttons: 3
(**) Mouse: 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms)
(**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: i810
(**) SVGA: Monitor ID: My Monitor
(--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1024x768 needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1152x864 needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1152x864 needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1024x768 needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1152x864 needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1800X1440 needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
(--) SVGA: Mode 1800X1440 needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted.
(**) FontPath set to 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
(--) SVGA: PCI: Intel Unknown chipset (0x7121) rev 3, Memory @ 0xd800, 
0xdc10
(--) SVGA: error doing ioctl(GARTIOCINFO): Invalid argument
 
Fatal server error:
Aborting
 
When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
the full server output, not just the last messages
 
XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0
  after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

anyone got an idea ??

thx a lot...

peter



No incoming mail

2001-02-16 Thread Lars Jensen
Recently I installed my Debian 2.2 system, and I'm having a problem with
incoming mail. Outgoing mail works fine, but I don't get any main  from
the outside (local incoming mail works OK too). Any ideas how to fix
this? I've re-run eximconfig, but it doesn't help. My machine is 
permanently on the internet, so I made all the default choices when
running eximconfig. 

Lars.

%%%
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Linux Professional Institute

2001-02-16 Thread Ray Ferrari
On behalf of the Linux Professional Institute, I invite anyone
interested to participate in our current survey of Linux professionals.
We are in the process of developing our next level of tests for our
certification process. We need the help of Linux professionals and
system adminins to develop a strict standard for testing. Based on the
feedback in the study, a polymetrician will develop the tests to be
taken worldwide.

Furthermore, we could use the experience and professionalism of many
Debian developers to develop the next series which will deal with
hacking the kernel and much more advanced techniques. Please explore the

LPI web site, and see if there isn't someway your organization can help
us out. We truly would like your participation in this endeavor.

Also, we would like to spread the word to all your lists, that we are
certifying individuals who have passed our first series of exams. The
LPIC-1 is currently being issued after passing two exams costing a total

of $200.00.
The tests are available worldwide through VUE.

We look forward to your participation. Visit the web site at
www.lpi.org for more information on the survey and getting involved. We
appreciate your assistance in this matter. Thank you.

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P.S.: This is not spam mail. I have also written to Wichert and Joey
Hess to help us with this. I have participated in Debian mailing lists,
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Re: Serial ports - how to get them to coexist peacefully...

2001-02-16 Thread idalton
On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:16:44AM +1100, hogan wrote:
 P133, 48MB RAM, Debian Testing/Unstable (some bits from unstable) 2.2.17 (move
 to 2.4.1 on hold for time being whilst I read Rusty's howtos on netfilter etc.
 :) ).
 
 Have two onboard ports - ttyS0 and ttyS1 (IRQ 43 respectively)
 Have an ISA IO card (everything disabled on card save ttyS3 and lpt3 [dunno
 linux equiv] - reason for ISA - only have half slot, full and VLB IO cards in
 stockpile :) )
 
 Have modem on ttyS0
 Switch between mouse and Wyse60 terminal on ttyS1
 Want mouse on ttyS3 but IRQ conflict ttyS1+ttyS3
 
 Can I make the onboard and oncard ttyS's play nice on same IRQ?
 ... or should I play musical jumpers until they're on separate IRQs?

Making onboard serial ports share interrupts is vudu. Basically the
serial port 'hardware' can either hold the interrupt line or let it
'float' when it isn't signalling an interrupt. If it holds the line,
that means the other port can't signal properly, and then more often
then not neither port will work until reset.

All you can really do is try it out to see if it works or not.

 Read something in 2.4.1 kernel config about making serial ports nice to one
 another when on same IRQ.. anything similar in 2.2.x? Should I go to 2.2.18 in
 interim? Will I need a custom compile? ... Will Danger Mouse save Penfold in
 time? :)

You do need to enable sharing serial interrupts.

-- Ferret



Re: No incoming mail

2001-02-16 Thread Glyn Millington

Lars, I think we need more help to help you - what programme are you
using to bring mail down?   Fetchmail?  Something else?  Can you put
up that information, maybe the last lines of any log you have from
fetchmail and exim?  

Glyn M


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Re: New Install of Debian: How do i create boot disks???

2001-02-16 Thread Patrick Ouellette
You can also create boot floppies off the Debian CD.  There should
be a directory on the cd called disks-i386.  It contains the boot
floppy image files.  You will also need the utility rawrite2 from
the dosutils directory (or somewhere on the net like 
ftp.us.debian.org).  

Pat

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 01:58:31PM -0800, Robert Cymbala wrote:
 
 Hi ~
 Here's a method that installs Debian from floppy disks and
 then from a parallel port CD-ROM device (microSolutions bantam
 backpack).
 
   Debian GNU/Linux on Toshiba T4700ct Notebook
   http://www.lafn.org/~cymbala/Debian/t4700ct.html
 
   

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Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As far as I know you only might want to reboot if you change the
 hostname and want it active. If you change the partitiontable it might
 be usefull.

You don't need to reboot to change the hostname, either.  The command is
'hostname'.

You need to reboot to change the partition table of a disk with mounted
filesystems, and you need to reboot to recompile the kernel, and you need
to reboot for hardware upgrades.  That's about it, really...

 The Linuxcommunity is proud of their uptimes, so we never reboot...

That is the real reason :}



Help. Odd install problems.

2001-02-16 Thread robhr
I tried posting this question a while ago, but I received no reponses.
I looked in the mailing list archives and it doesn't appear there
either, which is probably why I got no responses.  Anyway, here's my
problem.

I'm trying to install Debian 2.2 on an old PS/2 386.  It was running
Debian 2.0 without any problems, but the HD crashed and I figured I'd
get a slightly bigger HD and install 2.2 on it.  I haven't been able
to get 2.2 to install and I can't find 2.0 install disks anymore (no
CD-Rom drive).  I'd like to get 2.2 on this if possible.

Basically I get through the install process with no problems, but when
it tries to run lilo it fails.  The entire kernel is below the sector
limit for old bioses.  Even so, the install program warns me that I'm
not installing it on the first device on the chain even though the
device is /dev/eda.  I don't know enough ESDI drives to know if they
have a master/slave setting, but the kernel finding it as /dev/eda
should mean it's the first drive on the chain right?  I've tried
installing it on /dev/eda and /dev/eda1 and both produce the same
results.  I tried dropping to the console and running lilo manually,
but it doesn't appear to recognize the drive as being mounted.  It
says to mount the target drive under /target, but it's already
mounted.  I even tried unounting it and remounting it, but lilo
doesn't seem to see it.  This completely baffles me.

So then I created a boot diskette and tried to boot the kernel
installed on the HD, but that doesn't work either.  Just after it
recognizes the ESDI HD, I get an error like this:

unable to exec: /usr/sbin/modprobe -t -u binfmt-

The - options are probably wrong, but that's the gist of the error
message.  This message repeats forever and the system won't boot.
I've tried the newest set of install floppies, but this still happens.
Does anyone have any idea what is causing these problems or how to fix
them/get around them so I can install the system?  Why would 2.0 work
and not 2.2?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob



LPI:Survey

2001-02-16 Thread Ray Ferrari
This is the site for the survey: http://www.lpi.org/cgi-bin/jass.py


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Re: backing up a complete linux system

2001-02-16 Thread William T Wilson
On 16 Feb 2001, Krzys Majewski wrote:

  tar -cvzf hda2.tar.gz /
  ( I don't need to add this ... --exclude hda2.tar.gz do I ??) 
 
 Yeah you probably do. You might want to exclude other stuff to, like
 /proc, /mnt, /tmp, and possibly /dev.  Normally device files are
 created with /dev/MAKEDEV.

With recent GNU tar you don't need to exclude the tarfile explicitly.  
Other versions of tar you sometimes do.

The simplest thing to do is to simply make individual backups of each
filesystem (the l option).  This way you can take backups frequently of
filesystems that change a lot (/home), less frequently for those that
don't change much (/usr) and never for others (/tmp, /proc)

  anyway... the part where I'm stuck... 
  I have no idea how to restore this tarred file on to a totally new
  drive

You just untar it.  Make sure that the filesystems are large enough for
containing the data, and untar it.  You can make of course a whole
filesystem tree under /mnt (or wherever).

 I'd probably first leave the two drives where they are, reboot to the
 LILO prompt, pass a kernel parameter like root=/dev/hdc2, and see if
 the new filesystem does the right thing (ie boots). I've never

It should.  However, there are a few caveats.  Some systems can't boot off
of hdc or hdd and require the kernel to be on hda or hdb.  Other systems
can boot hdc/hdd but can't do LBA on them, meaning the kernel has to be on
the first 500MB of the disk.  This refers only to the location of the
kernel, the root filesystem can be anywhere.

Note that you'll have to change your /etc/fstab to reflect the new layout.



How to get rid of warnings in ldconfig?

2001-02-16 Thread robhr
I've been running the same system since, oh Debian 2.1 I believe.  I
recently went and cleaned out all the libc5 stuff because nothing I
have installed requires it.  However, now when I run ldconfig it warns
that libg++2.7.2.so, libstdc++2.7.2.so, and libntdll.so are missing
(well, those names are pretty close anyway).  ld.so.conf file just has
three dirs in it, so where are these warnings coming from?  Those
files don't exist on my system, but how does ldconfig know if they
should be there?  I must be missing something here.  How would I get
rid of these warnings short of reinstalling those libc5 packages?

Rob



Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, William Leese wrote:

 ..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate
 maybe, but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've
 heard something about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes
 reliable HDs, anyone? IBM maybe?

IBM drives are quite good.  I've had good luck with Western Digital and,
surprisingly, Fujitsu.  (There seem to be two kinds of Fujitsu drives,
those that die immediately and those that last forever).

There's also Quantum, are they owned by someone else now?



OffTopic - What's the proper way to...

2001-02-16 Thread William Jensen
I've got a web site that has some protected data.  On some of the pages
I have javascript that does some calculations.  Right now I have it so
if they click on the link to that page it auto asks for username/password,
however, what I would like to do is let them see the page and only
ask for username/password once they click the calculate button.  Is this
type of thing done thru the use of cgi scripts or what.  There is probably
more than one way to do it but I'd be interested in some opinions in 
a good way to accomplish this.

Wm



Tool to measure network/connection speed

2001-02-16 Thread Richard Black
Hi all,

can anyone recommend a tool that will estimate network/connection
speed?  In particular I want to estimate my upload/download times over
my cable DSL...

thanks

Richard
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Re: IMPS/2 problems after kernel 2.4.1 update

2001-02-16 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Dave Bresson [EMAIL PROTECTED],
# On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, David B. Harris wrote:
# Yeah, sorry about that...my babbling doesn't translate well to
paragraphs.
# Ah well...

:)

#  First of all, if your mouse isn't initialized as an IntelliMouse, it
#  pretends it's a regular PS/2 mouse.
# 
# Right.  What do you mean by 'initialized'?  You mean initialized as in
# what gpm.conf and XF86Config-4 have it set as?  Or something else?

Well, it depends on what gets to the mouse first. If X gets to the mouse
first, then it'll be initialized as whatever XF86Config-4 has it set to.
If gpm gets to it first, it'll be initialized to whatever gpm.conf
thinks it is.

Anyways, I'm sure this is all very confusing, and it took me nearly a
month to figure out what was going on :) Basically, you *have* to make
sure that whatever gets to the mouse first initializes it to the highest
degree possible. The means using the protocol that most closely matches
what the mouse actually uses.

#  Third, it sounds like both GPM and X are trying to use /dev/psaux.
Check
#  to see what /dev/mouse is linked to. Since you're using GPM and X,
#  specify explicitly in XF86Config[-4] that the mouse device is
#  /dev/gpmdata, not /dev/mouse .
# 
# 
# Well, since X wants to use /dev/mouse , i made it a sym link to
# /dev/gpmdata (since that is what gpm is set to repeat to)  I guess i
# probably shoulda stated that it was just a link in my previous email.

I had thought this ... but since 'gpm' and X were conflicting, I wasn't
sure. Are you using devfs with devfsd? Double-check the /dev/mouse is a
symlink to /dev/gpmdata. Using devfsd, changes arn't always kept over a
reboot.

#  Now, try rebooting, after making sure all those config options are
set
#  properly. If it still doesn't work, set X to use /dev/psaux, type
#  ImPS/2, 'rm /etc/rc2.d/*gpm' to stop 'gpm' from being started on
boot,
#  and then re-boot. Hopefully that will work. If it doesn't, you have
#  problems that arn't caused by X or gpm.
# 
# Okay, i had tried this before, however it was without the reboot, so i
# tried it again.  As it turned out, this fixed it.  Pointing X straight
to
# /dev/psaux, and not starting gpm at all did it.  Which leads me to
believe
# that gpm doesn't work with the new kernel 2.4.1 i set up, since the
old
# configuration worked just fine with 2.2.18...very strange.  Any ideas
on
# why this might be?

Yup, I figured a reboot would fix it. :) It's that bloody initialization
thing. I don't think it's a problem with gpm and 2.4.x. I'm running
2.4.1-ac15, with devfs, but without devfsd and it works fine. I think
that if gpm.conf is set to use the imps2 protocol, it should work. Just
to humour me, try explicitly stating in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 that X
should use /dev/gpmdata. Make sure 'gpm' starts at boot time, and
re-boot. If that doesn't work, feel free to contact me for more help :)

David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay
Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)



perl

2001-02-16 Thread Yuriy Turbovets
When I update my packages with apt-get i have problem with perl. Then
some packages don't wan't to install. And then apt-get , when i type
apt-get install package , after download  apt-get:  Compilaton failed
...perl .. etc.
And I can't use apt-get




Re: Tool to measure network/connection speed

2001-02-16 Thread Wil Reichert
Various online speed tests available at

http://www.dslreports.com/stest/0

Done via browser applet, hence not OS specific.

Wil

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To: Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: Tool to measure network/connection speed


 Hi all,
 
 can anyone recommend a tool that will estimate network/connection
 speed?  In particular I want to estimate my upload/download times
over
 my cable DSL...
 
 thanks
 
 Richard
 


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Re: kde ignores /etc/profile

2001-02-16 Thread Alan Chandler
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:16:16 +0100, you wrote:

Hi,
what am I doing wrong? I changed the PATH-line in /etc/profile 
(including now /usr/local/xyz/bin), at the end there is also an export 
PATH-line, but when I login via kdm (as user) into kde (version 2 and 
2.1beta), there's still the old PATH set (even after rebooting!). So I 
logged in to another windowmanager, but there it works. Any ideas how to 
correct kde's behaviour?

/etc/profile is a file read by BASH when it is started by after a
logon.

~/.bash_profile is your local equivalent

~/.bashrc is what happens when bash gets started regardless of whether
it is a login shell.

Since you are starting bits of kde, then bash doesn't run and doesn't
change the path (I think, but I am not sure, from default set by
init??).

I am not sure where the prefered place is in that case, I would
suspect you should look at /etc/X11/Xsession script (this just runs
all the scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d after setting up a few
parameters)

You do of course start bash when you call up konsole (or an xterm for
that matter) but not as as a login (unless you set the options on
xterm to tell it to treat it like one), so only ~/.bashrc gets run.
You could put PATH statements in there.



Alan

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Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread David B . Harris
To quote William T Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED],
# On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
# You don't need to reboot to change the hostname, either.  The command
is
# 'hostname'.
# 
# You need to reboot to change the partition table of a disk with
mounted
# filesystems, and you need to reboot to recompile the kernel, and you
need
# to reboot for hardware upgrades.  That's about it, really...

You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See the
recent thread on XFree 4.0.2 and an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse.

David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay
Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)



What is going on with the digest?

2001-02-16 Thread bryan
Greetings,
I apologize if this has been hashed over already, but I haven't been
getting the debian-user-digest for the past week or so.  Don't know what is
going on, they just quit coming.  I tried subscribing again today in the
chance that I had been unsubscribed and so I tried resubscribing, both by
the Debian mailing list web page, and by sending an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but I never got a response.  Has
the digest been removed?  Like I said, I haven't received a digest in over a
week (and I was subscribed).

Thanks for any info anyone may have.

-Bryan



ssh and devices

2001-02-16 Thread Rick Rezinas
Hi,

I'm using testing
I was having an issue (think I saw a post regarding this recently),
where a regular user couldn't use ssh due to ' no controlling tty'

I found that the issue was an inability for nonroot to write to /dev/tty
and changed o+w for /dev/tty

Now all seems happy, but I was curious if this is actually a good fix or 
creates a security issue...and why this would've been changed.  Also, what
packages are in charge of which devices...is there a debian standard for this
or do package maintainers just create and modify devices as they see fit?

thanks
rick



Promise SuperTrak 100 RAID

2001-02-16 Thread David Priban
Dear fellow Debian users,
Did anybody get succesfully Promise SuperTrak100 RAID5 controller
working? Kernel 2.4.1 seems to recogize the PDC20265 chip set, I2O
driver even tells me the controller is there, but I really don't know
how to talk to it nor where to mount the array. It is probably just my
ignorance but information on this type of hardware seems rather rare...

Thanks   David




Re: Special issues with X on a TFT screen?

2001-02-16 Thread Philipp Schulte
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 03:04:24PM +0100, Daniel de los Reyes wrote: 

 I am helping a friend set his X on a Laptop. The graphic chip is handled by 
 the SVGA server. I have configured the whole thing using XF86Setup and 
 Xconfigurator and after that manually tweaking the setup file.
 I get the X server up,(the gray screen) but when it tryes to switch, the 
 screen becomes black and there is no way to get it back.
 I suppose it is stepping out of the frecuencies allowed by the TFT screen.
 I am not very sure home a TFT screen works, it seems to me vertical frecuency 
 is fixed? I haven't been able to get any information from the vendor.

I think you should just pick the predefined monitors in XF86Setup. For
example I used the SVGA for my 800*600-TFT.
Phil



Re: Fetchmail Sendmail

2001-02-16 Thread D-Man
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:46:10AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
| I'm using the fetchmail-procmail-sendmail combo to get mail off of a
| mailserver, filter it, and read it locally.  I'm using that same mail
| server to pass sent mail to.
| 
| In this case, I don't know if sendmail is overkill and if I should be
| using something different.

For sending, ssmtp works (check the FAQ on www.mutt.org to find a
link).  ssmtp is like a sendmail replacement, but all it does is
forward the mail to a smpt server.  No local delivery, etc.
| 
| What I'd like to fix is this...
| 
| When fetchmail gets mail, I think it passes it to sendmail which
| checks to make sure the domain exists.  Today, my DNS servers listed
| in /etc/resolv.conf were down, and all the mail I fetched got bounced
| and lost.  I'd like for this not to happen and get any and all mail
| that is in my box no matter if it's spam and has an unresolvable
| domain or not.  How can I set this up?
| 

You might be able to tell fetchmail to hand the mail off to procmail
directly.  If not you can probably have fetchmail just dump the stuff
in your inbox, then use the bash script in the procmail man page to
filter the mail from the inbox.

HTH,
-D



Re: Tool to measure network/connection speed

2001-02-16 Thread Philipp Schulte
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 03:12:49PM -0500, Richard Black wrote: 

 can anyone recommend a tool that will estimate network/connection
 speed?  In particular I want to estimate my upload/download times over
 my cable DSL...

$apt-get install bing
Phil



Re: ssh and devices

2001-02-16 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Rick Rezinas [EMAIL PROTECTED],
# Hi,
# 
# I'm using testing
# I was having an issue (think I saw a post regarding this recently),
# where a regular user couldn't use ssh due to ' no controlling tty'
# 
# I found that the issue was an inability for nonroot to write to
/dev/tty
# and changed o+w for /dev/tty
# 
# Now all seems happy, but I was curious if this is actually a good fix
or 
# creates a security issue...and why this would've been changed.  Also,
what
# packages are in charge of which devices...is there a debian standard
for this
# or do package maintainers just create and modify devices as they see
fit?

I think the correct fix would be to change the group of all the tty*
devices to the tty group. Then, when you log in, it gets temporarily
changed to your own group ID. So, permissions should be rw-rw, with
tty as group, root as owner.

I think. :)

David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay
Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)



Re: ssh and devices

2001-02-16 Thread Lance Levsen

 where a regular user couldn't use ssh due to ' no controlling tty'

That would have been me. 

 I found that the issue was an inability for nonroot to write to /dev/tty
 and changed o+w for /dev/tty

No such luck on my end, /dev/tty is already 0666. 

Sorry, I can't answer your other questions.
 
 thanks
 rick





Re: Antwort: Rebooting is NOT foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Kenward Vaughan
Rebooting is _never_ foolish if it keeps peace in the family... :-)

Kenward
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doesn't really need a college education, for he can learn them from
books.  The value of an education in a liberal arts college is not the
learning of many facts but the training of the mind to thinking--something
that cannot be learned from books. Albert Einstein



general kernel question

2001-02-16 Thread c-3
Hi!

I just wondered why the kernel is always compressed. Couldn't you 
save boot time, if it's not???

Christian





Re: ssh and devices

2001-02-16 Thread Rick Rezinas
I actually have execute perms also...maybe that makes a difference?

I found the issue using strace:

strace ssh host

and it spews gibberish for a bit, then you see something like

open (/dev/tty),??? ENOACCESS(-1,)

(sorry, from memory...)

which indicated that my user couldn't access the device, since the error
appeared shortly (in gibberish terms) before exit.

The open was successful when the I ran ssh as root, which worked right anyway.

good luck
rick

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Lance Levsen wrote:

 
  where a regular user couldn't use ssh due to ' no controlling tty'
 
 That would have been me. 
 
  I found that the issue was an inability for nonroot to write to /dev/tty
  and changed o+w for /dev/tty
 
 No such luck on my end, /dev/tty is already 0666. 
 
 Sorry, I can't answer your other questions.
  
  thanks
  rick
 
 
 
 
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Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:06:03PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote:
...
 You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See the
 recent thread on XFree 4.0.2 and an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse.

I doubt it.  Any trouble I've had with PS2 mouses not being properly
initialized could be solved by /etc/init.d.gpm restart preceded by
the occasionally physical reconnecting of the mouse.  But YMMV:)

-- 
groetjes, carel



SIOCSIFADDR neighbour table overflow

2001-02-16 Thread Michael K. O'Brien
Hola~

I try to keep up with unstable (I run apt-get dist-upgrade about once a week).
Anyway, after a power failure, my machine is not in a happy state.

Trying to run ifconfig I receive:

% ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
SIOCSIFADDR: Bad file descriptor
lo: unknown interface: Bad file descriptor

Running ifconfig -a lists lo as a valid interface.

I'm using the 3c59x driver. Which, for loopback, I wouldn't think would
matter.

Anyway, has anyone having problems?

MO


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Re: OffTopic - What's the proper way to...

2001-02-16 Thread Erdmut Pfeifer
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:12:19PM -0600, William Jensen wrote:
 I've got a web site that has some protected data.  On some of the pages
 I have javascript that does some calculations.  Right now I have it so
 if they click on the link to that page it auto asks for username/password,
 however, what I would like to do is let them see the page and only
 ask for username/password once they click the calculate button.  Is this
 type of thing done thru the use of cgi scripts or what.  There is probably
 more than one way to do it but I'd be interested in some opinions in 
 a good way to accomplish this.

don't know what kind of calculations you offer and in what way the
javascript is involved, but if your requirements fit into the scheme
of having some kind of form into which the user fills in several
parameters before clicking calculate, then the classical CGI script
would probably be the best solution. In that case, everything you might
want to protect - data, algorithms, whatever - is on the server side,
and you can easily control at which point you require authentication/
authorization.
When doing it in javascript (client-side, I assume), keep in mind that
the code is delivered to the browser as is, so you have no real control
over what the user then does with it. If this code implements the
calculations you would like to protect, then this probably isn't the
best way of doing it (it only requires very little expert knowledge to
get that code executing outside of the context of your website, except
if you devise some clever challenge-response mechanism). However, these
concerns only apply if you are _not_ having some data on the server
side without which the javascript would be useless...

Maybe you could elaborate a little more on the details of your
intentions... (e.g. what you mean by let them see the page, etc.)

Cheers,
Erdmut


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Re: general kernel question

2001-02-16 Thread Erik van Roode

At 10:32 PM 2/16/01 +0100, c-3 wrote:


I just wondered why the kernel is always compressed. Couldn't you
save boot time, if it's not???


  Depends on the speed of the medium from which you read the kernel,
and the speed of the processor.

If the processor can decompress faster than the medium can read, it makes
sense to compress the image.

Erik




reconfiguring pcmcia nic when laptop resumes

2001-02-16 Thread John M. Flinchbaugh
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i seem to remember months ago, with the linux 2.4pre kernels and
debian unstable, dhclient would run anytime the laptop awoke and
reconfigured the nic.  this was quite convenient since it often
awakes on a new network.

somewhere along the line, it stopped doing that.  now i usually resort
to physically ejecting and reinserting the card to get it to reconfig
on a new network.

what's the best way to re-enable the old behavior?

thanks.

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Re: Problem building X 4.0.2 from debian source

2001-02-16 Thread Martin Albert
On Tuesday 13 February 2001 15:12, Frederik Vanrenterghem wrote:
 On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Martin Albert wrote:
  On Son, 11 Feb 2001, Frederik Vanrenterghem wrote:
   using 'make World'. The error only seems to show up when I use
   'debian/rules build', which is rather odd. Anyway, here is the

  debian/rules build
  applies patches found in debian/patches

 As you may have overlooked in my posting, I only get the error when I
 use 'debian/rules build' to build a debian package of X. If I execute
 'make World' (also after applying the debian patches), everything
 seems to be OK (I saw the same error messages, but they do not cause
 the build process to die).

 Any ideas what might be going on? Might it have something to do with
 different levels of optimization? If yes, can this be altered?

Well, not overlooked - but i might have guessed it  ;-)

So, you didn't clean the sourcetree after the last try with the debian 
setup, before doing make World? Then

make World
cd your_toplevel_that_includes_debian
touch debian/stampdir/build
debian/rules binary

martin



Re: Can't connect two debian boxes via PLIP

2001-02-16 Thread Dr. Aldo Medina
Matthew Dalton wrote:

  I've followed PLIP-Howto steps, but even when I already
  tried two cables (which work under Windows, I know this doesn't prove
  anything, but..)
 
 It proves that the cables are okay.
 
 , I still can't make this to work. I stop in the ping
  step. My potato says plip0: transmit timeout(1,87) and my woody stays
  forever waiting for an answer. This are my settings:
 
 What happens if you try to ping from the woody machine?

When I try to ping from the woody machine, it stays forever waiting for
an answer

  ¿any suggestion?
 
 Do you have any ipchains rules setup on either of the machines?
 Does one of the machines have a modem and is used to dial in to the
 internet? Maybe your firewall rules are stoping the packets getting
 through.

input (policy ACCEPT)
forward (policy DENY):
MASQall -  192.168.0.0/24  anywhere n/a
output (policy ACCEPT)

 Check the log files in /var/log for any denied packet log entries (you
 did use the 'log' switch with ipchains, didn't you?) or kernel error
 messages.

Nothing in the log

 You could also use 'traceroute' to see how far the packets are getting.

They don't go anywhere, just my box is listed.

 
 HTH
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Re: SIOCSIFADDR neighbour table overflow

2001-02-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 13:52:51 -0800, Michael K. O'Brien wrote:
 % ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
 SIOCSIFADDR: Bad file descriptor

Known problem. Downgrade to the net-tools package from Testing.

HTH,
Ray
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broken gnucash in unstable

2001-02-16 Thread John M. Flinchbaugh
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has anyone else managed to get gnucash deb installed in unstable i386?
when i try to add it, it immediately removes itself in conflict
resolution because it depends upon two packages which ultimately
conflict with each other.
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Re: broken gnucash in unstable

2001-02-16 Thread Glenn Becker

I have had this problem in testing ...

Glenn Becker
Online Producer, Community
SCIFI.COM

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 resolution because it depends upon two packages which ultimately
 conflict with each other.
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Problem binfmt module-Help define?

2001-02-16 Thread Jonathan Gift
Hi,

I'm posting about a recent error in my daemon log that occurs every
other day stating:

modprobe can't locate module binfmt-002 (these change)

What did I forget in my last kernel build. I build all modules. What is
going on?

Thanks,

Jonathan

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Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED],
# On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:06:03PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote:
# ...
#  You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See
the
#  recent thread on XFree 4.0.2 and an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse.
# 
# I doubt it.  Any trouble I've had with PS2 mouses not being properly
# initialized could be solved by /etc/init.d.gpm restart preceded by
# the occasionally physical reconnecting of the mouse.  But YMMV:)

Don't doubt it. I didn't just make it up to prove that a reboot *could*
be required to re-initialize hardware :)

David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay
Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)



boot-floppies mirroring problems

2001-02-16 Thread Matthew Sackman
Dear all.

I'm trying to get the boot-floppies generation to work because I
need to build a custom installation procedure for a machine I want
to install debian on (the default kernels do not have drivers for
the raid controller on this machine, and there is no ide hard disc,
so a special kernel must be used to allow installation onto the
raid array).

I've installed the boot-floppies package, ncftpd, and ftpgrab. I've
set ftpgrab up to copy
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/base
into /home/ftp/archive/debian

I've been through the scripts in the boot-floppies package, and
made a list of all the other packages that boot-floppies wants, and
have setup ftpgrab to get all of those aswell (and dump them in
/home/ftp/archive/debian). Thus everything is going into
/home/ftp/archive/debian.

Inside /usr/src/boot-floppies/config I have the following:

ftp_archive := /home/ftp/archive/debian

archive := $(ftp_archive)/

but this is not working as doing a make check seemingly lists every 
single package as being missing. What am I doing wrong here? Is
there a file heirarchy that I must follow? Do packages need to be
renamed? Can someone help please?

Frustratedly,

Matthew Sackman



Newbie

2001-02-16 Thread #KUNDAN KUMAR#
Greetings to all!
 I have just Installed Debian Potato. Delighted to see that it could be
done. I am extremely new to apt-get and the other debian package managaement
tools. Had heard a lot of apt-get and thus I came to debian. apt-get is
cool.
 I have a small dumb problem. How can I just upgrade to woody. I could not
figure out the exact command??
 apt-get distupgrade woody??
 thanks for help
Kundan



Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:30:11PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote:
 To quote Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 # On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:06:03PM -0500, David B . Harris wrote:
 # ...
 #  You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See
 the
 #  recent thread on XFree 4.0.2 and an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse.
 # 
 # I doubt it.  Any trouble I've had with PS2 mouses not being properly
 # initialized could be solved by /etc/init.d.gpm restart preceded by
 # the occasionally physical reconnecting of the mouse.  But YMMV:)
 
 Don't doubt it. I didn't just make it up to prove that a reboot *could*
 be required to re-initialize hardware :)

But I *do* doubt it:)
You see, unplugging the mouse and then replugging it resets the mouse,
restarting gpm redoes the initialisation, so what else could be necessery?
Ofcourse I could be overlooking something.  I've read that thread you
refered to, but I don't remember having seen that the really did the above,
i.e. unplug the mouse, reconnect the mouse, restart gpm.  If they did, and
the mouse still refused to work, please tell me and I admit you're right.

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Re: XFree86 agpgart.o

2001-02-16 Thread Dr. Aldo Medina
I used the i810gtt-0.2-4.src.rpm and xfcom_i810-1.2-3.i386.rpm files
from http://www.intel.com. Then I rpm -U i810gtt and alien xfcom_i810.
Going to /usr/src/redhat/SOURCE I rebuild agpgart.o for my running
kernel, insmod it, and then dpkg -i xfcom's deb I just alienated. I
maked sure /etc/X11/X pointed to /usr/X11/bin/XFCom_i810 and ran
xf86config to reconfigure my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. I reviewed the file,
and startx worked at last!

I don't know if this could work for you, but here it did. I can send you
the files if you like to. 

peter wrote:
 
 hi there !!
 
 im recently trying to run an xserver on a fuckin (sorry) i810 intel board...
 all those on-board stuff sucks... but anyways...
 
 im running potato with a new 2.4.1 kernel ( i also got the new modutils and
 stuff and all works fine )...
 on the xfree site they say to run the server with the i810 chipset i would
 need a agpgart.o - module that comes with the server !?!
 i cant find it anywhere... i got one compiled with the kernel and modprobe
 loads it, but still the server wont start...
 
 heres what it said =
 
 XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
 (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
 (**) XKB: keymap: xfree86(de) (overrides other XKB settings)
 (**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/psaux, buttons: 3
 (**) Mouse: 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms)
 (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: i810
 (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: My Monitor
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1024x768 needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1152x864 needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1152x864 needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1024x768 needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1152x864 needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1600x1200 needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1280x1024 needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1800X1440 needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
 (--) SVGA: Mode 1800X1440 needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted.
 (**) FontPath set to
 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
 /misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
 (--) SVGA: PCI: Intel Unknown chipset (0x7121) rev 3, Memory @ 0xd800,
 0xdc10
 (--) SVGA: error doing ioctl(GARTIOCINFO): Invalid argument
 
 Fatal server error:
 Aborting
 
 When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
 the full server output, not just the last messages
 
 XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0
   after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
 
 anyone got an idea ??
 
 thx a lot...
 
 peter

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Re: broken gnucash in unstable

2001-02-16 Thread Jonathan David Wheelhouse
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:08:19PM -0500, Glenn Becker wrote:
 
 I have had this problem in testing ...
 

  has anyone else managed to get gnucash deb installed in unstable i386?
  when i try to add it, it immediately removes itself in conflict
  resolution because it depends upon two packages which ultimately
  conflict with each other.
  - -- 

This has been going on for maybe a week; bugs are filed against the
package.  See
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnucasharchive=no;
bugs: 
#85652: Needs recompile against libguile9
#85966: dependencies conflicts
#86029: gnucash: gnucash depends on libguile6-slib but that package is
not available

I think the problem was caused by the guile maintainer stipulating
that libguile6 and libguile9 conflict with each other.

Jonathan



Re: What is going on with the digest?

2001-02-16 Thread Jeremiah H. Savage
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 03:03:44PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings,
   I apologize if this has been hashed over already, but I haven't been
 getting the debian-user-digest for the past week or so.  Don't know what is
 going on, they just quit coming.  I tried subscribing again today in the
 chance that I had been unsubscribed and so I tried resubscribing, both by
 the Debian mailing list web page, and by sending an email to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I never got a response.  Has
 the digest been removed?  Like I said, I haven't received a digest in over a
 week (and I was subscribed).

Also, the web archives haven't been updated since Tuesday...

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Re: Newbie

2001-02-16 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
First change all references to stable in your /etc/apt/sources.list to
woody. Then
type:

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

All this is to be done as root. You could also upgrade to unstable instead of
woody/testing by substituting unstable for woody above.

If you have any questions, write back to the list and if I can help I'll try to
do so.

- Jimmy Kaplowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 06:28:05AM +0800, #KUNDAN KUMAR# wrote:
 Greetings to all!
  I have just Installed Debian Potato. Delighted to see that it could be
 done. I am extremely new to apt-get and the other debian package managaement
 tools. Had heard a lot of apt-get and thus I came to debian. apt-get is
 cool.
  I have a small dumb problem. How can I just upgrade to woody. I could not
 figure out the exact command??
  apt-get distupgrade woody??
  thanks for help
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Putting computer on standby or sleep

2001-02-16 Thread Enrico Zini
Hello,

I would like to know if (and how) I can make my computer suspend so that
all (most of) is powered down but I can resume it and have it in the
same state it had before the suspend.  Something like portables do, but
with a workstation.

The system is a dual PII-450 on a Supermicro P6DGU 440GX motherboard on an
ATX power supply, and runs Debian unstable updated every night with kernel
release 2.4.1.  APM is disabled on multiprocessor systems, ACPI works.


Thanks in advance, Enrico

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Re: Putting computer on standby or sleep

2001-02-16 Thread Tyler Braun
I think xset dpms is what you're looking for. Do man xset for the full story,
but if I do:

xset dpms 0 0 3600

then my monitor powers down after an hour. The first two settings are for going
into a suspend state, where the monitor blanks out but doesn't actually shut
off. Setting them to 0 disables this part, as I want the monitor to go straight
to shutting off. 

To my understanding:

xset dpms 0 1800 3600

would blank the screen after a half hour, and then shut the monitor off
completely after an hour. Anyhow, read the man pages and see what it can do.

I've just recently switched to XFree86 4, and this doesn't seem to work
properly, so if you're using x4 you might encounter problems.

Ty

On Sat Feb 17/2001 @ 12:02:P +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I would like to know if (and how) I can make my computer suspend so that
 all (most of) is powered down but I can resume it and have it in the
 same state it had before the suspend.  Something like portables do, but
 with a workstation.
 
 The system is a dual PII-450 on a Supermicro P6DGU 440GX motherboard on an
 ATX power supply, and runs Debian unstable updated every night with kernel
 release 2.4.1.  APM is disabled on multiprocessor systems, ACPI works.
 
 
 Thanks in advance, Enrico
 
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Latest Kernel

2001-02-16 Thread eileen

Hi,

I was looking around debian.org for the latest kernel.  Am correct that it 
is currently 2.2.17?  I thought there was a new kernel out?


Thanks


Eileen Orbell
Software  Internet Applications
Capitol College
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/proc/devices lists '188 usb/ttys/%d', choking MAKEDEV

2001-02-16 Thread David M. Anderson
I am running Debian 2.2 (potato) with the exception of having compiled 
the 2.4.1 kernel.


MAKEDEV chokes, with the output:
/sbin/MAKEDEV: major_usbtts%d=188: command not found

I believe the problem is with line 150 of the script, and due to the 
fact that in /proc/devices, under Character Devices, is the line:

188 usb/tts/%d

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Dave



Re: Newbie

2001-02-16 Thread D-Man
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:51:29PM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
| First change all references to stable in your /etc/apt/sources.list to
| woody. Then

Shouldn't that be testing ?

-D



Re: Latest Kernel

2001-02-16 Thread Martin Fluch
 I was looking around debian.org for the latest kernel.  Am correct that it 
 is currently 2.2.17?  I thought there was a new kernel out?

2.2.18 and 2.2.19pre.xx in unstable at least...

Martin



Re: Latest Kernel

2001-02-16 Thread Tyler Braun
2.2.18 is the latest in the 2.2 series, but there's also the 2.4 series now, and
the latest there is 2.4.1.

See http://www.kernel.org instead of the Debian site if you're looking for a
kernel.

Ty

On Fri Feb 16/2001 @  6:02:P -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I was looking around debian.org for the latest kernel.  Am correct that it 
 is currently 2.2.17?  I thought there was a new kernel out?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 Eileen Orbell
 Software  Internet Applications
 Capitol College
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RE: /proc/devices lists '188 usb/ttys/%d', choking MAKEDEV

2001-02-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 16-Feb-2001 David M. Anderson wrote:
 I am running Debian 2.2 (potato) with the exception of having compiled 
 the 2.4.1 kernel.
 
 MAKEDEV chokes, with the output:
 /sbin/MAKEDEV: major_usbtts%d=188: command not found
 
 I believe the problem is with line 150 of the script, and due to the 
 fact that in /proc/devices, under Character Devices, is the line:
 188 usb/tts/%d
 
 Can anyone help?
 

do
device=`echo $device | sed 's#/.*##'`
case $major in
Character|Block|'')
;; 
*)
eval major_$device=$major
devices=$devices $device
;;
esac
done

is what mine looks like, and 'usb/tts/%d' gets munged to 'usb'.  My MAKEDEV
came from the package 'makedev'.  Mine is version 2.3.1-51.




Invalid partition table?

2001-02-16 Thread Fu-Dong Chiou
Hi,

I am having a problem booting to a Compaq LTE5200 laptop.  It has
been runnning linux for almost two years until yesterday when I decided
to try to upgrade it using a bootable CD.  Since it did not seem to boot 
from the CD, I thought I might make it happen by modifying /etc/lilo.conf.

Here's what I have

/dev/hda1   400+M   ext2/opt
/dev/hda2   1.6+G   Extented
/dev/hda5   80M swap
/dev/hda6   1.6+G   ext2/   *bootdisk

/dev/hda1 used to have Windows98, but was reformatted to accommondate more
linux applications, and is not bootable.  (This was done more than one
month ago.)  But /etc/lilo.conf still has this windows information up
until yesterday, so I thought I'd modify it and try to add /dev/hdb
and see if that makes CDROM a bootable device.

After reboot, the first message displays reads

120 MHz Pentium Processor
External Cache: 256K Enabled
Invalid partition table

I tried to boot from a rootless diskette (floppy module and CDROM module
share the same drive bay), and run lilo from there, but there an error
message returning that said:

# lilo -C /mnt/etc/lilo.conf -b /dev/hda6 -i /mnt/boot.boot.b

Ignoring entry 'root'
Ignoring entry 'install'
First boot sector doesn't have a valid LILO signature

The /etc/lilo.conf looks like this:

boot = /dev/hda
compact
timeout = 1
prompt
  vga = normal
  read-only
map = /boot/map
install = /boot/boot.p
image = /boot/vmlinuz
  lable = linux
  root = /dev/hda6

I am at my wit's end.  As far as I can tell, everything looks fine.  
Mounting /dev/hda6 after booting from tomsrbt diskette shows that 
evrerything is still there.  However, when I use Windows98 bootdisk to 
boot, and run fdisk from dos prompt, it shows that /dev/hda2 is not a 
bootable device, and there is no /dev/hda5 or /dev/hda6.  I am not sure 
how the whole thing happened.  Would appreciate any suggestion. Thanks!

Best wishes,  
Chip




Re: DSL NT

2001-02-16 Thread Nick
As soon as I read MS Proxy, I thought eck, very sticky.
I don't know and easy way possible,
except for what was mentioned.
Want proxy, use squid, but ipchains is a
darn good fire-wall, cheap too!
look into firestarter for newbie's

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From: Hanno Böttcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Debian User List debian-user@lists.debian.org; Erich Baur
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: DSL  NT


 The simple way would be to make a linux mashine the router and simply
 masquerade.what about that?`

 bOhA
 - Original Message -
 From: Erich Baur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:43 PM
 Subject: DSL  NT


  Hi *,
 
  Since some days I'm able to access the internet through a MS Proxy
Server
  (MS Proxy Server 2.0 runs on a NT machine in a network). I just had
  to change to Browser/Proxy settings to the right values.
  But how is it possible to bring programms like fetchmail, micq, ftp etc.
 to
  work? Under MS Windows I need to install MS Proxy Client for such
things,
  but under Debian?
 
  Please help, I don't have any ideas (I'm a newcomer).
 
  Thanks in advance
 
  Erich
 
  PS: Would you please cc your replies to my email-address? At the moment
 I'm
  not subscribed to the list because of some problems with my mail
programm.
  Thanks.
 
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