[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I checked it up in Norway. TMO has no Trademark on Transcendental > Meditation - and will not have it in the Future, because > Transcendental is a description of a state of consciousness and is > universal. I do not know about other countries, maybe it would be > wise to check out. The more people using Transcendental Meditation in > their marketing outside the TMO, the more difficult it will be to get > it as Trademark > Ingegerd > Thankyou Ingegerd - I appreciate the infomation - I'll have to see if I can find out more about the issue here in the US. JohnY > > > > I guess I'll just either have to teach quietly or wait for the > > > > lawsuits and their resolution. I'm pretty sure that they will > > happen > > > > soon enough. > > > > > > I seriously doubt that there will be any lawsuits. > > > As Ingegerd has pointed out, the TMO is afraid to > > > bring any real intellectual property case to court > > > because their case is so weak. Also, if you read > > > between the lines of "recertification," especially > > > the part about having to do it over and over again > > > every few years, that's a lawyer thang. What I've > > > heard is that NONE of the agreements asked of > > > teachers along the way are now legally enforceable. > > > So the recert program is to create a whole new set > > > that will be legally enforceable. > > > > > > Unc > > > > One agreement certainly is enforceable: trademark. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Thursday - Meditation
Title: Template June 09, 2005 - Meditation Meditation is for many a foreign concept, somehow distant and foreboding, seemingly impossible to participate in. But another word for meditation is simply awareness. Meditation is awareness Meditation puts us into direct contact - which means direct experience - with more of who we are. Stephen Levine A Gradual Awakening Meditation isn't a process or practice. Meditation is the object of your attention. Carson's Commentary Bert and Christina Carson present The Doorway A workshop experience of "life without fear." Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Dear Bert and Christina: Thank you for the lovely pictures, but most of all the common sense of every day living. It is such a pleasure to see and read these every day. I like to send them on to my pastor and friends. With Gratitude Joan Parks Pennsauken, NJ. 08109 Please feel free to forward The Daily Inspiration to a friend - and... don't forget to check out our new web site http://www.your-inner-peace.com Bert & Christina Carson FuturePoint Communication 6868 Moores Mill Road Huntsville, Alabama 35811 USA 1-256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List - click here To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Giggles] Domash
I worked with Larry briefly during the physics conference, with Maharishi, and Brian Josephson, and the "Tao of Physics" guy, in 1975. Larry seemed too much like a regular guy to be involved with the politics, that took over the university, at the time Bevan, and others entered the picture. There was a complete psychological change in the movement after the defeat of the court case effecting TM, being taught in public schools. I remember Jerry Jarvis, really making an angry speech about it, and how stupid everyone was, and how they didn't know what they were doing. Things changed I guess around ' 77, ' 78, and seemed like a new crew was brought in to solidify power of the organization. Before then things seemed more in the main stream, so to speak, from about ' 75 to ' 77. If anyone has a better recollection, don't know for sure...markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > Why he left? I got the impression that he was demoted to 2nd string> > > physicist when Hagelin came along.> > > > ahhh, not Important enough...> > Or maybe he just did not agree with the prevaling policies anymore. > Does anyone know Larry well enough to know for sure?> > JohnYDon't know domash well at all but had some business connections withhim in late 80s. Re his departure, my impression was he didn't caremuch for sidhis, didn't believe in maharishi effect and feltsuperradiance studies were bogus, generally didn't like directionmov't was taking post-sidhis. There are other stories out there aboutbudgetary conflicts he had with the MIU board (wanting expensiveperks) and ego conflicts with bevan. He turned orthodox jewish in the80s. His leaving definitely had nothing to do with hagelin.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's precision! Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic entity) and spirit (soul) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/8/05 11:45 PM, mathatbrahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > And if the enlightened person says that in order to justify his behavior, > then fine. "Nobody" will mind if his body spends some time in jail. Nice. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No teachings of Guru Dev (formerly: Question for...)
Jim, that's not the problem, inclusion of colour photographs would not be a stumbling block. It's just that the Guru Dev book is to be a serious look at the guru and his teachings and it is difficult to see a place in it for photos taken on Himalayan jaunts. Before I put the snaps away, here is scanned a shot of view approaching Jyotir Math, the piitha 'redeemed' by Guru Dev, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. Actually, there are now two peeths, this one and one below in the large cave of one of Adi Shankara's disciples. The two peeths are run by different organisations (the lower piith being set up in the mid-1970's). http://www.paulmason.info/x/JyotirMath.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please do. It would add a level of richness to the overall > experience. (and being a published author, I'm sure you could get > your publisher to agree to the added cost...) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ingegard, it hadn't occured to me to use any photos I had taken in > a > > Guru Dev book. Might just do that, thanks! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
The Ego, Freud said, is primarily a "bodily" ego. After enlightenment the body is still there and other people's bodies are still not one's own.. in the relative the same rules still apply. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/8/05 11:45 PM, mathatbrahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > And if the enlightened person says that in order to justify his > behavior, > > then fine. "Nobody" will mind if his body spends some time in jail. > > Nice. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No teachings of Guru Dev (formerly: Question for...)
Thank you to those who have supported my research into Guru Dev's life and teachings. As I am framing another visit to India this year, if anyone has any useful contacts or hot tips, please let me know. Any useful information about Guru Dev or/and illustrations would be greatly appeciated. on my email [premanandpaulATyahooDOTcoDOTuk] As background research I am aquainting myself with all available published work on Gurudev and of course anything else that I can light upon. Yesterday I have finished typing an Itans copy of his Hindi biography and uploaded it to the Gurudev webpage. [Unfortunately, it lacks pages 10&11 which I cannot source at present.] Also I have created a pdf file of the same for those who wish to read the devnagari script. These can be accessed at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm#lifestory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- claudiouk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Ego, Freud said, is primarily a "bodily" ego. > After enlightenment > the body is still there and other people's bodies > are still not one's > own.. in the relative the same rules still apply. Ego arises out of identification. Consciousness identifies with the body and the mind to create a sense of individuality. When this identification is no longer occuring there is no "ownership" of anything. There is no "my" body or "your" body. This distinction in ignorance comes about because of the experience of the ego. This does not mean that there is no sensory distinction in enlightenment. Of course the sensory distinction is there (people in UC don't walk into walls!). But there is no longer "mine" and "yours". That is a distinction of ego. The ego, per its nature, includes and excludes. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 6/8/05 11:45 PM, mathatbrahman at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > And if the enlightened person says that in order > to justify his > > behavior, > > > then fine. "Nobody" will mind if his body spends > some time in jail. > > > > Nice. :-) > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: volunteer weekend at Livingston manor
Oh you are so bad Bob! --- bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/8/05 11:53 PM, bbrigante at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > Just got off the phone with Bevan's evil twin, > > > > > > Who's that? > > * > > http://www.millionaireplayboy.com/toys/fartingfb.php > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An unenlightened person looks at an enlightened > person > > and they appear to have desires. They talk, they > move, > > they eat food, they do this and that, they prefer > one > > thing over another. > > What is it that is actually driving the speach, > movements, eating? > And when there are preferences, why is one thing > preferred over > another? > > If an answer is Brahman then does Brahman have a > sense of "I"?. > > Rick Carlstrom In waking state there is a foundational confound between consciousness and the experiential sense of "I". This "I" is ego. Because consciousness is projected into and identified with body/mind there is a bound sense of self: individuality. This ego assumes ownership for action. Thus in waking state we assume that action occurs because "I" am intending it. But in enlightenment it becomes rather clear that there is no "I" to intend or not to intend anything. Action just occurs or not occurs. Thoughts just occur or not occur. Feelings just occur or not occur. There is no "I" that takes ownership. The "I" actually does not exist. But it appears to exist in waking state and is confused with consciousness. What drives the behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is what drives everything phenomenal: God/Nature/Mystery, whatever. This is actually driving people in waking state too, but they think that subjective sense of "I" is doing it. It's quite the delusion! > > > > > > > > In fact from the behavioral level > > there is no difference between the unenlightened > and > > the enlightened. But the enlightened person is not > > "there" in the way the unenlightened person > believes > > themselves to be. There is no sense of "I" or > "mine" > > in the enlightened person. There is no subjective > > "self" that sees itself as "me" or "I" . That just > > goes in enlightenment. The best an enlightened > person > > can say is that they are "nothing." They aren't > there > > in they way an unenlightened person believes they > are > > there. There is no personal identity or self in > > enlightenment. The mind can't understand this > because > > it confounds a sense of individual self with > > consciousness. The two have no relationship what > so > > ever. A personal self is a product of > consciousness > > projecting into mind and experiencing itself as > bound. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: volunteer weekend at livingston manor
--- bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George > DeForest > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > Received: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:16:30 AM PDT > > From: NYC Maharishi Vedic School <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: volunteer weekend at livingston manor > > > > Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, > > > > Big things are happening at the Parliament of > World Peace in > Livingston > > Manor > > * > > This 125 room rehab clearly seems designed to house > the ~100 ladies > of Mother Divine back in their old home, leaving a > few rooms > available for staff/residence course participants. > > Just got off the phone with Bevan's evil twin, who > suggested that all > the talk about the 200 pundits coming to Vedic City > are just to get > people thinking about the number 200, then the ole > switcheroo will > bring in the 200 gents on Purusha to the trailer > park... The managerial skills of the TMO never stop amazing me! > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/8/05 11:45 PM, mathatbrahman at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > ---Interesting theory, but the facts yell out re: > MMY ...he has "I, > > I, I...written all over him. Still, he's > Enlightened. (at least many > > believe. I believe he is). > > Take Adi Da (aka Franklin Jones). Haven't met him > personally but > > have read all of his books, talked with his > disciples, seen videos of > > him. No doubt, he's Enlightened. But WHAT an > EGO.!!! Nope, saying > > that Enlightned people are "different" and they > have their own rules > > definitely contradicts some very bizarre behavior > on their part, in > > some cases including immoral and even criminal > behavior. Standards > > have to apply to everyone. Saying there's nobody > "there" doesn't > > hold water, since the body is there and "it" is > doing the behavior. > > And if the enlightened person says that in order to > justify his behavior, > then fine. Only somebody in waking state with an ego would "justify" behavior by claiming that "nobody" is doing the behavior. What nonsense! "Nobody" will mind if his body spends > some time in jail Absolutely! . > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- mathatbrahman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ---Interesting theory, but the facts yell out re: > MMY ...he has "I, > I, I...written all over him. Still, he's > Enlightened. (at least many > believe. I believe he is). Of course MMY is enlightened. You see "I" written all over him. That is an attribute of "your" perception. > Take Adi Da (aka Franklin Jones). Haven't met him > personally but > have read all of his books, talked with his > disciples, seen videos of > him. No doubt, he's Enlightened. But WHAT an > EGO.!!! Love the guy's books. Again that is "your" perception. I don't know if he has an ego or not. I certainly do understand why you say this though. > Nope, saying > that Enlightned people are "different" They are diffent > and they have > their own rules "own rules"? What do you mean by that? > definitely contradicts some very bizarre behavior on > their part, in > some cases including immoral and even criminal > behavior. The enlightened are certainly capable of what is called, from a waking state perspective, "immoral and criminal behavior". > Standards > have to apply to everyone. Of course. We function in a complex social system. I assume here that what you mean by standards are social standards. > Saying there's nobody > "there" doesn't > hold water, since the body is there and "it" is > doing the behavior. The experiential reality of enlightenment is that there is no subjective "I" doing or not doing anything. The body is involved with action. > The question of Enlightenment only applies to > identification, not the > role of the body acting in the world. Agreed > As long as > there's a body, > desires must be present. You're understanding action of the body as always arising from desire. Desire is a "subjective" phenomenon that arises in waking state because of the intrinsic experience of lack because consciousness appears to be bound as an "I". Would you call the growth of a tree a "desire"? The tree desires to stretch out its leaves to the sunlight? I doubt it. This just occurs. It is the play of the three gunas/nature/God/mystery. Human behavior/thought/feeling also just occurs like a tree reacting to sunlight. It is that in waking state there is a false notion of an "I" that is created and thought to be the author of these things. > Relinquishing the notion of > a mental "doer": > (i.e. realizing the true nature of the Self and > seeing the nature of > Mind); doesn't change the fact that relative bodies > are performing > actions, exhibit desires, have programs, agendas; Agreed. > even selfish > desires which do harm to people. Of course. Just like a hurricaine can kill the body. > I suppose you would > say that it's > impossible for an Enlightened person to harm another > person? No, I wouldn't say that. But what do you mean by "harm" though? Damage to the body? Of course an enlightened person can harm or kill the body of another. (or, > are you one of those who maintain Enlightened people > are incapable of > making mistakes? It would be a mistake to believe > that notion. > Don't fall for it. Don't worry, I won't fall for that notion! But what is a "mistake" though? The term, "A mistake free life" is just a buzz term the TMO uses. > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An unenlightened person looks at an enlightened > person > > and they appear to have desires. They talk, they > move, > > they eat food, they do this and that, they prefer > one > > thing over another. In fact from the behavioral > level > > there is no difference between the unenlightened > and > > the enlightened. But the enlightened person is not > > "there" in the way the unenlightened person > believes > > themselves to be. There is no sense of "I" or > "mine" > > in the enlightened person. There is no subjective > > "self" that sees itself as "me" or "I" . That just > > goes in enlightenment. The best an enlightened > person > > can say is that they are "nothing." They aren't > there > > in they way an unenlightened person believes they > are > > there. There is no personal identity or self in > > enlightenment. The mind can't understand this > because > > it confounds a sense of individual self with > > consciousness. The two have no relationship what > so > > ever. A personal self is a product of > consciousness > > projecting into mind and experiencing itself as > bound. > > > > > > --- matrixmonitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I don't see how Enlightenment is in any way > > > connected with not having > > > desires, from a theoretical level (MMY never > said > > > that); or > > > experiential level...looking at various people > whom > > > I consider to be > > > Enlightened; for example. > > > 1. Various Buddhist teachers, and texts have > people > > > repeating the > > > Bodhisattva vow, which entails Enlightened > people > > > using some type of > > > subtle body to be us
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desires and Enlightenment
Matrixmonitor: First of all, it depends on how you define enlightenment. Secondly, at a certain stage many yogis will determine which karmas they want to maintain and which ones they want to eliminate. For example I may want to retain positive karmas right up to the dissolution of my physical body to assist in certain actions I want to perform. As long as you maintain a body this process is advantageous. As death approaches different styles of realizer will transition differently, some through a Mayic body, others through a Light body. The advantage of a Light body is one can divide ones bodies into tens of thousands of bodies to assist and teach in various dimensions. -V > 1. Various Buddhist teachers, and texts have people repeating the > Bodhisattva vow, which entails Enlightened people using some type of > subtle body to be used for the purpose of assisting others. For > example, p. 118 of "The Seven Chapter Prayer of the Great Teacher > Padmasambhava", p. 118, states part of the vow: > "I vow that having attained the level of Buddhahood, I shall bring > all beings to full Enlightenment, using whatever means are necessary > for whomsoever is to be tamed". > Therefore, this is definitely an avowed desire, requiring a body in > the context of useful and skillful means toward an end. > 2. The Dalai Lama definitely has desires: foremost on his is list is > his stated desire to help the Tibetan people. > 3. Terton Kansang Dechen Lingpa Rincoche, an Enlightened teacher from To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
Keep in mind there is a difference between the yogic conception of ego and the Freudian ego. SIgnificantly, some believe the ego isn't "real". Many (if not most) psycho-therapists subscribe to the illusion that the Freudian ego is a real entity. On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:35 AM, claudiouk wrote: > The Ego, Freud said, is primarily a "bodily" ego. After enlightenment > the body is still there and other people's bodies are still not one's > own.. in the relative the same rules still apply. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The "I" actually does not > exist. But it appears to exist in waking state ... What drives the > behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is what > drives everything phenomenal... > This is actually driving people in waking > state too, but they think that subjective sense of "I" > is doing it. I am glad stating such about those in waking state is no longer a "huge epistimological mistake!" Another sign of Sat Yuga. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
> > -Celibacy is also OCD.I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why anyone would go that route. Have you tried it?2 years when I was on purusha. When even trees and animals started looking sexy I was honest with myself and decided to go. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And if the enlightened person says that in order to > > justify his behavior, > > then fine. > > Only somebody in waking state with an ego would > "justify" behavior by claiming that "nobody" is doing > the behavior. What nonsense! > > > "Nobody" will mind if his body spends > > some time in jail > > Absolutely! But I bet you 5 to 1 that the incarcerated Peter body would bitch about it. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie's Chakras
> As a chef I have trained many people. Many of them have eatennothing but turkey necks their whole lives. Not a single negativethought ever arose in them about turkey necks either.I don't get it ? I was talking about negitive thoughts arising in mymind ... took about 2 days to notice it ...-My point was that people are not negative within a small mental framework. A couple years in the TMO and one can effectly shut out all contradictory valuations. But upon entering the foodservice world, people 'of the neck' had forced upon them the advantages of the thigh. The never could just gobble 'neks in grayv' again, without thinking of how much better a thing might be. This is a crappy example. My point is based on personal experience. That is, back when I was at MIU it took me a couple years but eventually all my critical and negative thoughts disappeared. Everything was beautiful and blissful, and ne'er a discordant thought. Internally. But I wasn't worth a shit to myself or anyone else. The discordant is the stuff within ourselves that shows us what we realy really need, not the peaceful snoozamatic thoughts. Also, you can't judge others by how they seem. Many murderers are seemingly perfect law abiders. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at Yale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> Jokes are mainly memorized and repeated. That's why everybody loves them. No arguing. People laugh. You come across as in control, and full of native wit. But all one has to do is speak their lines, and the punchline is coming. Sounds like his tenure as President.> try an experiment next time you watch the guy- correlate his facial expressions with his words, and then reflect back on the current state of that particular area of government or issue. He knows exactly what he is doing, clever little devil...-Any joker knows when he's telling a good joke. That's how one develops the punchline. With a little drama. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > And if the enlightened person says that in order > to > > > justify his behavior, > > > then fine. > > > > Only somebody in waking state with an ego would > > "justify" behavior by claiming that "nobody" is > doing > > the behavior. What nonsense! > > > > > > "Nobody" will mind if his body spends > > > some time in jail > > > > Absolutely! > > But I bet you 5 to 1 that the incarcerated Peter > body would bitch > about it. :) Of course! > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The "I" actually does not > > exist. But it appears to exist in waking state ... > What drives the > > behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is > what > > drives everything phenomenal... > > This is actually driving people in waking > > state too, but they think that subjective sense of > "I" > > is doing it. > > I am glad stating such about those in waking state > is no longer a > "huge epistimological mistake!" Another sign of Sat > Yuga. Nah, we're still in Kasli yuga because it is still a huge epistemological mistake. ;-) > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: volunteer weekend at livingston manor
Just got off the phone with Bevan's evil twin, who suggested that all the talk about the 200 pundits coming to Vedic City are just to get people thinking about the number 200, then the ole switcheroo will bring in the 200 gents on Purusha to the trailer park...---They are pundits, no? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In Message 1935 of 2016 at [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MMY answers questions about Guru Dev. > [...] > ...And I was never interested who was given what mantra. I was > interested in myself. [laughter and giggling]... > [...] > ... Out of that fullness I started to teach. [MMY pauses, slight > audience laughter] At least by practice people could rise and raise > themselves up. Thank you, Paul, for posting this. I read it a couple of days ago and have been turning it over in my mind. At first, I felt some irritation, a kind of "I knew it", Maharishi is only interested in himself! But I continued to reflect and began to consider that there was something more to this. All the interest, dedication, commitment to others is a good thing, of course. But without interest, dedication, commitment to one's own spiritual development (fully humanizing oneself before setting out to help others), which I hope is what Maharishi is saying, nothing really useful is going to be achieved. The more I thought about this and other things Maharishi said over the years, things he said to me personally and to others around him, the more I have felt a release from the rather too obvious nuttiness of the TMO and a now paranoid dependent old man who no longer is or can ever again be my teacher. "I was interested in myself" and "Out of that fullness" seems to me to be the key teaching, the summation of what Maharishi was doing all those years: setting an example (never quite a good one with respect to the cultural milieu I knew, but the best example he could come up with, nonetheless). *Find what is right for you, penetrate it as deeply as you possibly can and then, once you have determined it is going to benefit you and, according to my cultural milieu, allow you to benefit others, "go for it"*. I abandoned Maharishi and his organized loonies a long time ago; but never quite saw through the mirage I had set up for myself about him until I pondered this lovely piece of very interesting insight or was it my own insight I was pondering. I don't know. Thank you, again, Paul. If you have other talks in which Maharishi talks about his time with Guru Dev, could you post them, or post a link to them? We all, I suppose, have the fantasy: wouldn't it have been great to have met Guru Dev, to have been his disciple. But I think, with respect to the material you have posted, it would be even greater to be a disciple of that inner guru, one's own citta, the citta itself from which flows all that can ever flow. G To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at Yale)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Jokes are mainly memorized and repeated. That's why everybody loves > them. No arguing. People laugh. You come across as in control, and > full of native wit. But all one has to do is speak their lines, and > the punchline is coming. Sounds like his tenure as President. > > > > You didn't see the video. > > It showed him sipping from a plastic cup full of clear liquid while > blasting the bride and groom for being strange and doing weird, > outlandish things like never drinking alcohol... ...pretty anarchic. Like his comment that most exports come from abroad. Have a quick glance at some of these remarks from the most powerful man in the world who just might, with the aid of his arsenal and some Tesla thinking, be able to split the world into two hemisphers like the trick with the apple. Uns. http://www.bushisms.com/NewQuotes.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Economist reports on Cold Fusion
"Physicists who meddle with cold fusion, like psychologists who dabble in the paranormal, are likely to be labelled quacks by their peers. This is due to an infamous incident in 1989 when Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann held a press conference to announce their discovery of nuclear fusion in what amounted to a test-tube full of water connected to a battery. In particular, they said that they were getting more energy out of the process than they put into it. Their result was instantly dubbed “cold fusion”, to contrast it with giant fusion-reactor experiments that attempt to reproduce the ultra-high temperatures found inside the sun. But when it failed to stand up to scrutiny, confusion—and eventually outrage—ensued. "In 2002, history repeated itself as farce with the announcement by a group at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee of fusion inside the bubbles that are produced by ultrasonic waves travelling through a liquid. This result passed the peer-review process, but was immediately attacked by another group—from the same laboratory—which claimed to find no such effect. There was a counterclaim by yet a third team last year, and a final verdict on 'bubble fusion' is still not in. But most people have lost interest in the debate, assuming that anyone claiming to have observed fusion in a desktop experiment is a crank or a fraud. This attitude, however, may yet turn out to be mistaken. Desk-top fusion may be possible after all, according to an article published in this week's Nature by three researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)." Full article at: http://economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3909490 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
Not that I know anything, but one previously used to interpret all their desires as coming from their own ego, but later one sees desires arising themselves from the universal. This is the difference. Previously desires were for limited and localized reasons but later the desires are spontaneous and universal. The desires or their fulfillment might look the same on the outside, but the desire arises with more certainty of being fulfilled. For instance, I had a job interview yesterday at 11:00 am. I had meditated and just felt like lying down and napping after. My sense of time was skewed and I awoke at 10:45 am, and I hadn't gotten ready. Right that second the job called and told me they needed to set the time back an hour. Sorry. So then I was bored and I decided to go to Walmart to get some gum. I bought some candy as well. While I was still wasting a few minutes I thought, just bring some into the interview and give it to them. A weird thought, but I did it anyway. So during the interview I put the candy on the table and they gobble it down. I had this thought that for a chef one wants people to eat from so that they salivate even when thinking your name. Normal people would never give the interviewers candy during their interview. Of course, it's different in Hollywood where giving a piece often equals getting a piece. - Original Message - From: claudiouk To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment The Ego, Freud said, is primarily a "bodily" ego. After enlightenment the body is still there and other people's bodies are still not one'sown.. in the relative the same rules still apply. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > on 6/8/05 11:45 PM, mathatbrahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > And if the enlightened person says that in order to justify his > behavior,> > then fine. "Nobody" will mind if his body spends some time in jail.> > Nice. :-)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie's Chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As a chef I have trained many people. Many of them have eaten > nothing but turkey necks their whole lives. Not a single negative > thought ever arose in them about turkey necks either. > > I don't get it ? I was talking about negitive thoughts arising in my > mind ... took about 2 days to notice it ... > > > -My point was that people are not negative within a small mental framework. A couple years in the TMO and one can effectly shut out all contradictory valuations. But upon entering the foodservice world, people 'of the neck' had forced upon them the advantages of the thigh. The never could just gobble 'neks in grayv' again, without thinking of how much better a thing might be. > > This is a crappy example. My point is based on personal experience. That is, back when I was at MIU it took me a couple years but eventually all my critical and negative thoughts disappeared. Everything was beautiful and blissful, and ne'er a discordant thought. Internally. But I wasn't worth a shit to myself or anyone else. > > The discordant is the stuff within ourselves that shows us what we realy really need, not the peaceful snoozamatic thoughts. Also, you can't judge others by how they seem. Many murderers are seemingly perfect law abiders. Roger! got it now ... it (around the healer) wasn't the same as the MIU/rounding/etc atmosphere. but I get your point. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desires and Enlightenment
I had a talk with Venerable Ontul Rinpoche where he discussed the 9 yanas or vehicles of Buddhism. What was interesting to me and seemed to point to me as regards certain memories of mine was that people may become enlightened from a self guided path (and they are called pratyekabuddhas), and yet they may then encounter the Bodhisattva Dharma and then decide to travel that path, instead of the path of personal liberation. That is, they may decide to follow the path of liberating others besides merely themselves. It seems to me sometimes to make all the difference in the world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desires and Enlightenment
"If your meditation is merely relaxing in the stillness of mind, you will not get beyond being side-tracked in the samadhi of the gods. Such a meditation will not be able to overcome your attachment or anger. It will not be able to put a stop to the flow of karmic formations. Nor will it be able to bring you the deep confidence of direct certainty." Patrul Rinpoche, "Hitting the Essence in Three Words" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie's Chakras
Roger! got it now ... it (around the healer) wasn't the same as theMIU/rounding/etc atmosphere. but I get your point.JohnY --I used to question why I had worked at 37 jobs in the last fifteen years. Then when I took Bodhisattva vows I realized that I had somewhere decided to make the connection with the most people possible so as to serve the most people possible. It doesn't matter whether we individuals think we're just some localized and ignorant people, because we're not. Those of us who have spent many years meditating and who are making the positive aspiration to liberate all others are in fact apostles. We might not act or seem like it just as the sun gets clouded over at times and it seems that the sun has ceased. But it's still there burning through, and when the waters are released then it shines perfectly again. It finally made sense to me that I was bringing MIU to the darkest South, within myself. My own ignorant actions were nothing but a reflection of ignorance in general. Of which at least my ignorance was a different ignorance than before. A more liberated and liberating ignorance. At least I knew I was ignorant the whole time. Later I started wearing super high powered rudraksha at my jobs. People seeing them would have a cause for liberation. I never preached at people and nobody ever knew I was a meditator or anything. It didn't really matter. I didn't want to sully any of the teachings through my own personal problems like drug abuse. But still the connection was there. And at times when I am meditating a person pops into my mind. Someone who may never have encountered any dharma, let alone the Buddhadharma, so another connection. It's all about connections and causes. And sometimes what seems like ignorance is a new connection, or a different cause than before. Often I wondered why someone like me who was so pure at certain times of my life and had such great experiences would also get totally overshadowed again through drugs or sex or some other addiction. Those drives are stronger than my own natural desires for a peaceful, lazy existance, and they pull me to new places. New connections, new causes for liberation. I used to have a friend and we would blast Sama Veda when driving on Hollywood Blvd. I now sometimes enter the ghetto to visit friends and I am wearing whole malas of 11,12,13,14 sided rudraksha. Another friend of mine and myself once meditated at the "Monsters of Rock" concert. I got busted on a fluke 15 year old speeding ticket and spent two days in prison. I meditated the whole time and some people saw and asked about it. Connections and causes for liberation. Am I better than others? Not so as to preach about it. Am I more liberated than others? Quite possibly. I would like to thank Maharishi for TM, My Lamas for the Buddhadharma, My wife the Dakini Plus, Neeta at Rudra Center, and Shiva Rudraksha, my main protector. May all be so lucky. May my life be an offering to the most suffering and unhappy that they may find a cause for happiness and freedom from suffering. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desires and Enlightenment
- Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Desires and Enlightenment "If your meditation is merely relaxing in the stillness of mind, you will not get beyond being side-tracked in the samadhi of the gods. Such a meditation will not be able to overcome your attachment or anger. It will not be able to put a stop to the flow of karmic formations. Nor will it be able to bring you the deep confidence of direct certainty."Patrul Rinpoche, "Hitting the Essence in Three Words" This is my experience. TM and action is great for those with few personality issues, but doesn't much change someone after the novelty of TM wears off. Then more formal mind training is still needed. I think the TM Marga would work if someone was truely rich. Three times a year of 14 day Ayurveda treatments, TM - 20x2, Yagyas, etc... one could possibly become enlightened. But if one doesn't have the money then what? They're fucked! A cheaper and more universal path is needed. Maharishi still is in service to the Bodhisattvas. Not the other way around. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "If your meditation is merely relaxing in the stillness of mind, you > will not get beyond being side-tracked in the samadhi of the gods. Such > a meditation will not be able to overcome your attachment or anger. It > will not be able to put a stop to the flow of karmic formations. Nor > will it be able to bring you the deep confidence of direct certainty." > > Patrul Rinpoche, "Hitting the Essence in Three Words" Are you saying that this directly addresses Transcendental Meditation? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > >if anyone has had any > > experience and/or > > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? It is the > > immediate > > precursor to the neurotransmitter, Serotonin, which > > the lack of > > availability at the synaptic gaps is addressed by > > Prozac, Zoloft and > > the other SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake > > inhibitors). > > > > Serotonin in the body is made slowly and the idea of > > regular > > supplement of its immediate precursor is thought to > > help obviate > > depression, etc. Anyone? Dr. Pete? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marek > > I'm not familiar with it. Any research at all? > **END** Not that I'm aware of (but I haven't checked either). Thought you might know. I take it everyday just to help keep the serotonin cupboard stocked. I have heard anecdotally that it helps with depression; depression, of course, linked with low serotonin levels. It is frequently taken by users of ecstacy (MDMA) to offset the serotonin depletion that accompanies that substance use. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Desires and Enlightenment
On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Llundrub wrote: This is my experience. TM and action is great for those with few personality issues, but doesn't much change someone after the novelty of TM wears off. Then more formal mind training is still needed. I think the TM Marga would work if someone was truely rich. Three times a year of 14 day Ayurveda treatments, TM - 20x2, Yagyas, etc... one could possibly become enlightened. But if one doesn't have the money then what? They're fucked! A cheaper and more universal path is needed. Maharishi still is in service to the Bodhisattvas. Not the other way around. And I believe this is what scientific research is showing. Mantra-yoga (and other forms stillness med.), in most people, after using it for 20-30 years will produce witnessing-style precursors to enlightenment--in some people less time, in others more. If they stop meditating, the witnessing mode will fade. The reason? It does not take you to the place where vasanas are obliterated (vasana-kshara, lit. "the collapse of vasanas").
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Rick wrote: > Are you saying that this directly addresses Transcendental Meditation? All forms of meditation which work at transcending thought, not just TM©. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
Said very well. Thanks. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In Message 1935 of 2016 at > [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Premanand Paul Mason" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MMY answers questions about Guru Dev. > > [...] > > ...And I was never interested who was given what mantra. I was > > interested in myself. [laughter and giggling]... > > [...] > > ... Out of that fullness I started to teach. [MMY pauses, slight > > audience laughter] At least by practice people could rise and raise > > themselves up. > > Thank you, Paul, for posting this. I read it a couple of days ago and > have been turning it over in my mind. At first, I felt some > irritation, a kind of "I knew it", Maharishi is only > interested in > himself! But I continued to reflect and began to consider that there > was something more to this. > > All the interest, dedication, commitment to others is a good thing, > of course. But without interest, dedication, commitment to one's > own > spiritual development (fully humanizing oneself before setting out to > help others), which I hope is what Maharishi is saying, nothing > really useful is going to be achieved. The more I thought about this > and other things Maharishi said over the years, things he said to me > personally and to others around him, the more I have felt a release > from the rather too obvious nuttiness of the TMO and a now paranoid > dependent old man who no longer is or can ever again be my teacher. > > "I was interested in myself" and "Out of that > fullness" seems to me > to be the key teaching, the summation of what Maharishi was doing all > those years: setting an example (never quite a good one with respect > to the cultural milieu I knew, but the best example he could come up > with, nonetheless). *Find what is right for you, penetrate it as > deeply as you possibly can and then, once you have determined it is > going to benefit you and, according to my cultural milieu, allow you > to benefit others, "go for it"*. > > I abandoned Maharishi and his organized loonies a long time ago; but > never quite saw through the mirage I had set up for myself about him > until I pondered this lovely piece of very interesting insight > or > was it my own insight I was pondering. I don't know. > > Thank you, again, Paul. If you have other talks in which Maharishi > talks about his time with Guru Dev, could you post them, or post a > link to them? We all, I suppose, have the fantasy: wouldn't > it have > been great to have met Guru Dev, to have been his disciple. But I > think, with respect to the material you have posted, it would be even > greater to be a disciple of that inner guru, one's own citta, the > citta itself from which flows all that can ever flow. > > G To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
You should look into Mucuna pruriens, which is a natural form of L. Dopamine which is a serotonin precursor. http://www.rain-tree.com/velvetbean.htm http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Garden&Number=2752717&Searchpage=1&Main=2727398&Words=l.dopa&topic=&Search=true#Post2752717 - Original Message - From: marekreavis To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:**SNIP**> >if anyone has had any> > experience and/or > > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? It is the> > immediate > > precursor to the neurotransmitter, Serotonin, which> > the lack of > > availability at the synaptic gaps is addressed by> > Prozac, Zoloft and > > the other SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake> > inhibitors).> > > > Serotonin in the body is made slowly and the idea of> > regular > > supplement of its immediate precursor is thought to> > help obviate > > depression, etc. Anyone? Dr. Pete?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Marek> > I'm not familiar with it. Any research at all?> **END**Not that I'm aware of (but I haven't checked either). Thought you might know. I take it everyday just to help keep the serotonin cupboard stocked. I have heard anecdotally that it helps with depression; depression, of course, linked with low serotonin levels.It is frequently taken by users of ecstacy (MDMA) to offset the serotonin depletion that accompanies that substance use.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie's Chakras
Comment (and thanks) below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > --I used to question why I had worked at 37 jobs in the last fifteen years. Then when I took Bodhisattva vows I realized that I had somewhere decided to make the connection with the most people possible so as to serve the most people possible. > > It doesn't matter whether we individuals think we're just some localized and ignorant people, because we're not. Those of us who have spent many years meditating and who are making the positive aspiration to liberate all others are in fact apostles. We might not act or seem like it just as the sun gets clouded over at times and it seems that the sun has ceased. But it's still there burning through, and when the waters are released then it shines perfectly again. > > It finally made sense to me that I was bringing MIU to the darkest South, within myself. My own ignorant actions were nothing but a reflection of ignorance in general. Of which at least my ignorance was a different ignorance than before. A more liberated and liberating ignorance. At least I knew I was ignorant the whole time. > > Later I started wearing super high powered rudraksha at my jobs. People seeing them would have a cause for liberation. > > I never preached at people and nobody ever knew I was a meditator or anything. It didn't really matter. I didn't want to sully any of the teachings through my own personal problems like drug abuse. But still the connection was there. And at times when I am meditating a person pops into my mind. Someone who may never have encountered any dharma, let alone the Buddhadharma, so another connection. > > It's all about connections and causes. > > And sometimes what seems like ignorance is a new connection, or a different cause than before. > > Often I wondered why someone like me who was so pure at certain times of my life and had such great experiences would also get totally overshadowed again through drugs or sex or some other addiction. > > Those drives are stronger than my own natural desires for a peaceful, lazy existance, and they pull me to new places. New connections, new causes for liberation. > > I used to have a friend and we would blast Sama Veda when driving on Hollywood Blvd. I now sometimes enter the ghetto to visit friends and I am wearing whole malas of 11,12,13,14 sided rudraksha. Another friend of mine and myself once meditated at the "Monsters of Rock" concert. I got busted on a fluke 15 year old speeding ticket and spent two days in prison. I meditated the whole time and some people saw and asked about it. > > Connections and causes for liberation. Am I better than others? Not so as to preach about it. Am I more liberated than others? Quite possibly. > > I would like to thank Maharishi for TM, My Lamas for the Buddhadharma, My wife the Dakini Plus, Neeta at Rudra Center, and Shiva Rudraksha, my main protector. May all be so lucky. May my life be an offering to the most suffering and unhappy that they may find a cause for happiness and freedom from suffering. **END** Llundrub, thanks for this post. Very sweet and true. For a lot of us, once our intitial involvement with the TMO and Maharishi had run its course, we dispersed into the world to live our lives with whatever degree of true spirituality we had imbibed available to everyone else whose paths we crossed. Just being who we are. I loved the rudraksha story. I have a 20+mm rudraksha kantha from Neeta and I wear that along with a 13mm crystal mala all the time. Not infrequently, when I'm in court I'll get up and walk around while I'm arguing or asking questions and I'll notice these puzzled looks on the faces of the judge or the court reporter or opposing counsel because they rattle and clack against each other as I move. They can't quite figure out what that noise is. No one has ever asked, though. Marek To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and > > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's precision! > > Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic entity) > and spirit (soul) right. me too. same vibration, same karma, just manifested differently. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > An unenlightened person looks at an enlightened > > person > > > and they appear to have desires. They talk, they > > move, > > > they eat food, they do this and that, they prefer > > one > > > thing over another. > > > > What is it that is actually driving the speach, > > movements, eating? > > And when there are preferences, why is one thing > > preferred over > > another? > > > > If an answer is Brahman then does Brahman have a > > sense of "I"?. > > > > Rick Carlstrom > > In waking state there is a foundational confound > between consciousness and the experiential sense of > "I". This "I" is ego. Because consciousness is > projected into and identified with body/mind there is > a bound sense of self: individuality. This ego assumes > ownership for action. Thus in waking state we assume > that action occurs because "I" am intending it. But in > enlightenment it becomes rather clear that there is no > "I" to intend or not to intend anything. Action just > occurs or not occurs. Thoughts just occur or not > occur. Feelings just occur or not occur. There is no > "I" that takes ownership. The "I" actually does not > exist. But it appears to exist in waking state and is > confused with consciousness. What drives the > behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is what > drives everything phenomenal: God/Nature/Mystery, > whatever. This is actually driving people in waking > state too, but they think that subjective sense of "I" > is doing it. It's quite the delusion! Dear Peter, You have done such a good job of explaining this "I" no "I" thing frontwards, backwards, sideways and inside out. Even though many are not experiencing this state of mind or no mind right now, I think that with a little quiet contemplation most can at least know abstractly what it is that you are talking about. The problem is that the idea of a driver of action is just kind of swept under the rug of God/Nature/Mystery which says to me that although there is a real shift of awareness being experienced there is some understanding that is missing. Until this understanding is opened up some I don't think that the questions of responsibility in action by "enlightened" individuals can be resolved to any statisfaction. This idea starts to sound like there is a great and powerful Oz making all things happen from behind the curtain and any attempts to understand it are just the mind trying to keep itself busy so you better just forget it. Is it possible that, the experience of there being no "I" to intend or not to intend is based on the recognition that ego as has always been identified with as "I" is actually not Self therefore "I" do not exist. Maybe a more accurate statement would be: therefore "I" is not the ego. Didn't you say in an earlier post that your teacher Ravi Shankar (spl?) mentioned something about this experience of no "I" being something that could occur in the process of growth towards realization. Did he elaborate on that at all? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Rick wrote: > > > Are you saying that this directly addresses Transcendental Meditation? > > All forms of meditation which work at transcending thought, not just > TM©. I agree, forms of meditation that work at transcending thought by their very nature bind one to thought. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No teachings of Guru Dev (formerly: Question for...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim, that's not the problem, inclusion of colour photographs would not > be a stumbling block. It's just that the Guru Dev book is to be a > serious look at the guru and his teachings and it is difficult to see a > place in it for photos taken on Himalayan jaunts. yeah, that was kind of a tongue in cheek comment of mine...Well I really love the pictures you have taken. They have a natural grandeur and mystery about them that I personally feel would be an excellent compliment to your book. However, as a fellow artist, albeit far less commercially successful, I wholly support whatever the final vision of your book on Guru Dev turns out to be. Can't wait to read it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No teachings of Guru Dev (formerly: Question for...)
Thanks for this Paul, what a treasure trove you are amassing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you to those who have supported my research into Guru Dev's > life and teachings. As I am framing another visit to India this year, > if anyone has any useful contacts or hot tips, please let me know. Any > useful information about Guru Dev or/and illustrations would be greatly > appeciated. on my email > [premanandpaulATyahooDOTcoDOTuk] > > As background research I am aquainting myself with all available > published work on Gurudev and of course anything else that I can > light upon. > > Yesterday I have finished typing an Itans copy of his Hindi biography > and uploaded it to the Gurudev webpage. [Unfortunately, it lacks pages > 10&11 which I cannot source at present.] Also I have created a pdf file > of the same for those who wish to read the devnagari script. These > can be accessed at > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm#lifestory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > -Celibacy is also OCD. > > I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why anyone would go that > route. Have you tried it? > > > 2 years when I was on purusha. When even trees and animals started looking sexy I was honest with myself and decided to go. yeah, the sex drive is too powerful to be willed away. I've wrestled with it often. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Economist reports on Cold Fusion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Physicists who meddle with cold fusion, like psychologists who dabble > in the paranormal, are likely to be labelled quacks by > their peers.. Desk-top fusion may be possible after all, > according to an article published in this week's Nature by > three researchers at the University of California, Los > Angeles (UCLA)." > Full article at: > http://economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3909490 Certain very large and very well known Japanese companies are quietly spending fortunes on this and other zpe projects like the Takahashi motor: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm This device seems to be validated by the threats coming in from the oil dependent Yakuza. An interesting aspect is the belief in safety through Open Source marketing a la Linux. Is anyone on the list an expert in quantum theory? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We all, I suppose, have the fantasy: wouldn't > it have > been great to have met Guru Dev, to have been his disciple. But I > think, with respect to the material you have posted, it would be even > greater to be a disciple of that inner guru, one's own citta, the > citta itself from which flows all that can ever flow. > actually if you want to feel a similar experience of being close to Guru Dev, look up Ramana Maharishi and read about him or check out his pic. Easy to find via Google. Very similar vibration to Guru Dev. Both are pure unmoving edifices of radiant Shiva energy. Peter said it better than I can. Then you won't have to long for a fantasy anymore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at Yale)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Jokes are mainly memorized and repeated. That's why everybody loves > > them. No arguing. People laugh. You come across as in control, and > > full of native wit. But all one has to do is speak their lines, and > > the punchline is coming. Sounds like his tenure as President. > > > > > > > You didn't see the video. > > > > It showed him sipping from a plastic cup full of clear liquid while > > blasting the bride and groom for being strange and doing weird, > > outlandish things like never drinking alcohol... > > ...pretty anarchic. Like his comment that most exports come > from abroad. Have a quick glance at some of these remarks > from the most powerful man in the world who just might, > with the aid of his arsenal and some Tesla thinking, be > able to split the world into two hemisphers like the trick > with the apple. > Uns. > http://www.bushisms.com/NewQuotes.html it is fun to laugh at him; keeps us off balance. Why do you think the democrats are such a weak mess right now? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
here's sincerely hoping that you get the job if you want it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For instance, I had a job interview yesterday at 11:00 am. I had meditated and just felt like lying down and napping after. My sense of time was skewed and I awoke at 10:45 am, and I hadn't gotten ready. Right that second the job called and told me they needed to set the time back an hour. Sorry. > > So then I was bored and I decided to go to Walmart to get some gum. I bought some candy as well. While I was still wasting a few minutes I thought, just bring some into the interview and give it to them. A weird thought, but I did it anyway. So during the interview I put the candy on the table and they gobble it down. I had this thought that for a chef one wants people to eat from so that they salivate even when thinking your name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "If your meditation is merely relaxing in the stillness of mind, you > will not get beyond being side-tracked in the samadhi of the gods. Such > a meditation will not be able to overcome your attachment or anger. It > will not be able to put a stop to the flow of karmic formations. Nor > will it be able to bring you the deep confidence of direct certainty." > > Patrul Rinpoche, "Hitting the Essence in Three Words" that makes sense intuitvely. I like the combo of stillness of the mind to guide normal activity, TM to continue expanding consciousness, and plain ol' mindfulness to take care of attachment or anger. triple decker cheese burger! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We all, I suppose, have the fantasy: wouldn't > > it have > > been great to have met Guru Dev, to have been his disciple. But I > > think, with respect to the material you have posted, it would be > even > > greater to be a disciple of that inner guru, one's own citta, the > > citta itself from which flows all that can ever flow. > > > > actually if you want to feel a similar experience of being close to > Guru Dev, look up Ramana Maharishi and read about him or check out his > pic. Easy to find via Google. Very similar vibration to Guru Dev. Both > are pure unmoving edifices of radiant Shiva energy. Peter said it > better than I can. Then you won't have to long for a fantasy anymore. **END** And/Or, you could do puja to Guru Dev. Marek To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
a fun experiment to try: close your eyes, and one by one eliminate the motion of the mind; no projection right, left, up, down, backwards, forwards. Just bring it to a quiet stop, no thought. Allow the senses to continue to operate, just don't interact with their objects. Then, where is I? no idea. If you attempt on the other hand to think your way into an understanding of enlightenment, you will get some reasonable approximate understanding, but the trick then is to use that as a spur for the heart to thirst more for enlightenment, and not allow the ego instead to pursue this idealized concept of enlightenment, (leading to more musing and thinking). Stupid ego. It always sounds so complicated when it is thought about. Works a lot better to just not think about it. Then you will find it, and all of your answers will come quickly and effortlessly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have done such a good job of explaining this "I" no "I" > thing frontwards, backwards, sideways and inside out. Even though > many are not experiencing this state of mind or no mind right now, I > think that with a little quiet contemplation most can at least know > abstractly what it is that you are talking about. The problem is > that the idea of a driver of action is just kind of swept under the > rug of God/Nature/Mystery which says to me that although there is a > real shift of awareness being experienced there is some > understanding that is missing. Until this understanding is opened up > some I don't think that the questions of responsibility in action > by "enlightened" individuals can be resolved to any statisfaction. > > This idea starts to sound like there is a great and powerful Oz > making all things happen from behind the curtain and any attempts to > understand it are just the mind trying to keep itself busy so you > better just forget it. > > Is it possible that, the experience of there being no "I" to intend > or not to intend is based on the recognition that ego as has always > been identified with as "I" is actually not Self therefore "I" do > not exist. Maybe a more accurate statement would be: therefore "I" > is not the ego. > > Didn't you say in an earlier post that your teacher Ravi Shankar > (spl?) mentioned something about this experience of no "I" being > something that could occur in the process of growth towards > realization. Did he elaborate on that at all? > > Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And/Or, you could do puja to Guru Dev. > > Marek that sounds great! I never learned how, but it sounds really nice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sem victim's family has an attorney
I have personally spoken with members of the Admissions Office at MUM who interacted with Sem before he became a student. His insanity was not at all obvious at that time. My speculation is that, after stopping his meds, the deterioration in his mental state was cumulative, so it was possible that he did not appear to be psychotic right away. Dr. Pete, does that make sense clinically? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OR that MUM was so desperate for students that they simply let him in. > > Sal > > On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:15 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: > > > You know that when you are interviewed to start TM, one of the > > questions is regarding any treatment by psychiatrists. If you are > > being treated regularly, then you cannot be initiated. It does make > > you think that he lied on the application form. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Rick wrote: > > > > > Are you saying that this directly addresses > Transcendental > Meditation? > > > > All forms of meditation which work at transcending > thought, not just > > TM©. > > I agree, forms of meditation that work at > transcending thought by > their very nature bind one to thought. Can you say more about this? I don't understand. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- marekreavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Comment below: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We all, I suppose, have the fantasy: wouldn't > > > it have > > > been great to have met Guru Dev, to have been > his disciple. But I > > > think, with respect to the material you have > posted, it would be > > even > > > greater to be a disciple of that inner guru, > one's own citta, the > > > citta itself from which flows all that can ever > flow. > > > > > > > actually if you want to feel a similar experience > of being close to > > Guru Dev, look up Ramana Maharishi and read about > him or check out > his > > pic. Easy to find via Google. Very similar > vibration to Guru Dev. > Both > > are pure unmoving edifices of radiant Shiva > energy. Peter said it > > better than I can. Then you won't have to long for > a fantasy anymore. > > **END** > > And/Or, you could do puja to Guru Dev. > > Marek Before you meditate imagine Guru Dev and bow to him. Imagine MMY and bow to him. Imagine every single spiritual teacher that you have learned anything from and bow to them. Imagine the entirity of creation and bow to it. Imagine God and bow to Him/Her. No close your eyes and let go. Do nothing. Rest in the deepest gratitude and authentic respect and just be present. Rest in absolute nothingness.it will swallow "you". > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sem victim's family has an attorney
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have personally spoken with members of the > Admissions Office at MUM > who interacted with Sem before he became a student. > His insanity was > not at all obvious at that time. My speculation is > that, after > stopping his meds, the deterioration in his mental > state was > cumulative, so it was possible that he did not > appear to be psychotic > right away. Dr. Pete, does that make sense > clinically? Well, I'm biased here having worked with many schizophrenics. It is possible that the schizophrenia was in remission, but if you interact for any amount of time even with someone with schizophrenia in remission, there is always something you detect. But you have to have dealt with schizophrenics clinically to see this. But why wasn't a medical history taken? Would that be on a college application? Nine to 12 psychiatric admissions is incredible. The parents seem to be remise here. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > OR that MUM was so desperate for students that > they simply let him > in. > > > > Sal > > > > On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:15 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: > > > > > You know that when you are interviewed to start > TM, one of the > > > questions is regarding any treatment by > psychiatrists. If you are > > > being treated regularly, then you cannot be > initiated. It does > make > > > you think that he lied on the application form. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Llundrub wrote: > > > This is my experience. TM and action is great for those with few > > personality issues, but doesn't much change someone after the novelty > > of TM wears off. Then more formal mind training is still needed. > > > > I think the TM Marga would work if someone was truely rich. Three > > times a year of 14 day Ayurveda treatments, TM - 20x2, Yagyas, etc... > > one could possibly become enlightened. But if one doesn't have the > > money then what? They're fucked! > > > > A cheaper and more universal path is needed. Maharishi still is in > > service to the Bodhisattvas. Not the other way around. > > > > And I believe this is what scientific research is showing. Mantra- yoga > (and other forms stillness med.), in most people, after using it for > 20-30 years will produce witnessing-style precursors to > enlightenment--in some people less time, in others more. If they stop > meditating, the witnessing mode will fade. The reason? It does not take > you to the place where vasanas are obliterated (vasana-kshara, lit. > "the collapse of vasanas"). There may be a "place" where vasanas are obliterated but unless they are no longer attractive then the obliteration is only temporary. It is the desire for objects that is the root cause for vasanas in the first place. Until that basic outward desire is remedied there will be no end to the development of vasanas. This is why transcending is so important, it demostrates in an experiential manner the difference between witnessing and thinking. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > -Celibacy is also OCD. > > > > I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why > anyone would go > that > > route. Have you tried it? > > > > > > 2 years when I was on purusha. When even > trees and animals > started looking sexy I was honest with myself and > decided to go. > > yeah, the sex drive is too powerful to be willed > away. I've wrestled > with it often. I was on Purusha when it first started. We moved to MIU and during the springtime I was assigned to go around and work on thermostats in all the dorms and pods. One fine Spring day I turned the corner around a pod and there before my eye lay three beautiful topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little alcove. Oh my God! My kundalini roared to life in my second chakra. I just couldn't get the image of that sea of undulating breats and firm flesh from my mind. I left Purusha soon afterward a got a girlfriend for the first time in about ten years and screwed my brains out. Never felt better in my life! > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > Before you meditate imagine Guru Dev and bow to him. > Imagine MMY and bow to him. Imagine every single > spiritual teacher that you have learned anything from > and bow to them. Imagine the entirity of creation and > bow to it. Imagine God and bow to Him/Her. No close > your eyes and let go. Do nothing. Rest in the deepest > gratitude and authentic respect and just be present. > Rest in absolute nothingness.it will swallow > "you". > **END** Yes. Set up some place in your home where you meditate and fill it with the pictures of those saints and heroes in your life who inspire you. Surround yourself with the "arrows" in your life that point you towards who you really are. So then, everywhere you look, there's a great being who's directly pointing at your heart. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sem victim's family has an attorney
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I'm biased here having worked with many > schizophrenics. It is possible that the schizophrenia > was in remission, but if you interact for any amount > of time even with someone with schizophrenia in > remission, there is always something you detect. But > you have to have dealt with schizophrenics clinically > to see this. *** I'm speaking as an outsider here. So my information may be only so good. But here goes: There's no reason to believe that Admissions officers would have worked with schizophrenics. But the point about deterioration that I was making was this - after Sem became a student, students who lived around him did think he was getting to be a bit strange. So there seems to have been a change between the time he initially visited the campus and the time that the murder took place. But why wasn't a medical history taken? > Would that be on a college application? *** >From what I've been told, it is illegal for a college to inquire into a prospective student's prior mental health history. I thought we went through all of this when the murder took place. My understanding is that MUM has made some changes so that, once people come to MUM to be students, it is more likely that the odd behavior Sem was exhibiting would be noticed and acted upon earlier. Nine to 12 > psychiatric admissions is incredible. The parents seem > to be remise here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a fun experiment to try: close your eyes, and one by one eliminate > the motion of the mind; no projection right, left, up, down, > backwards, forwards. Just bring it to a quiet stop, no thought. > Allow the senses to continue to operate, just don't interact with > their objects. > > Then, where is I? no idea. > > If you attempt on the other hand to think your way into an > understanding of enlightenment, you will get some reasonable > approximate understanding, but the trick then is to use that as a > spur for the heart to thirst more for enlightenment, and not allow > the ego instead to pursue this idealized concept of enlightenment, > (leading to more musing and thinking). Stupid ego. > > It always sounds so complicated when it is thought about. Works a > lot better to just not think about it. Then you will find it, and > all of your answers will come quickly and effortlessly. "It's a lot better just to not think about it", well there's a discussion stopper. It just makes me feel sorry for all those great minds over the centuries that spent their entire lives trying to express abstract spiritual truths on paper. Think of all the effort they could have saved by instructing everyone to just not think about it. Uh oh, two "thinks" in one sentence, way too much thinking going on.OSF* *obligatory smiley face (first instituted by LBS) Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was on Purusha when it first started. We moved to > MIU and during the springtime I was assigned to go > around and work on thermostats in all the dorms and > pods. One fine Spring day I turned the corner around a > pod and there before my eye lay three beautiful > topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little > alcove. Oh my God! My kundalini roared to life in my > second chakra. I just couldn't get the image of that > sea of undulating breats and firm flesh from my mind. > I left Purusha soon afterward a got a girlfriend for > the first time in about ten years and screwed my > brains out. Never felt better in my life! > talk about wish fulfillment- great story! Thanks for sharing- ha-ha- ha! > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip > > Dear Peter, > > You have done such a good job of explaining > this "I" no "I" > thing frontwards, backwards, sideways and inside > out. Even though > many are not experiencing this state of mind or no > mind right now, I > think that with a little quiet contemplation most > can at least know > abstractly what it is that you are talking about. > The problem is > that the idea of a driver of action is just kind of > swept under the > rug of God/Nature/Mystery which says to me that > although there is a > real shift of awareness being experienced there is > some > understanding that is missing. Until this > understanding is opened up > some I don't think that the questions of > responsibility in action > by "enlightened" individuals can be resolved to any > statisfaction. Agreed > > This idea starts to sound like there is a great and > powerful Oz > making all things happen from behind the curtain and > any attempts to > understand it are just the mind trying to keep > itself busy so you > better just forget it. I'm not trying to imply that. > > Is it possible that, the experience of there being > no "I" to intend > or not to intend is based on the recognition that > ego as has always > been identified with as "I" is actually not Self > therefore "I" do > not exist. Maybe a more accurate statement would be: > therefore "I" > is not the ego. No. "I" and the ego are one and the same. Rick, let me ask you a question. Why this powerful protest about the "I" disappearing? I contend that it is because of the the "I"/consciousness confound. But why do you stuggle with it? > > Didn't you say in an earlier post that your teacher > Ravi Shankar > (spl?) mentioned something about this experience of > no "I" being > something that could occur in the process of growth > towards > realization. Did he elaborate on that at all? No, he did not elaborate. I started thinking about the ego identifying with everything and therefore having no separation and did not follow-up with anymore questions. > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Rick wrote: > There may be a "place" where vasanas are obliterated but unless they > are no longer attractive then the obliteration is only temporary. One would have to repeat the same "cause" that created he vasana and then "seal" it--otherwise it will not recur. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was on Purusha when it first started. We moved > to > > MIU and during the springtime I was assigned to go > > around and work on thermostats in all the dorms > and > > pods. One fine Spring day I turned the corner > around a > > pod and there before my eye lay three beautiful > > topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little > > alcove. Oh my God! My kundalini roared to life in > my > > second chakra. I just couldn't get the image of > that > > sea of undulating breats and firm flesh from my > mind. > > I left Purusha soon afterward a got a girlfriend > for > > the first time in about ten years and screwed my > > brains out. Never felt better in my life! > > > talk about wish fulfillment- great story! Thanks for > sharing- ha-ha- > ha! Even now I still laugh about it. It was like getting hit by a nuclear lust bomb. I just exploded with lust. Pure lust roaring through every cell in my body. Aching screaming lust. I just wanted to UKKK!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail > SpamGuard. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes. Set up some place in your home where you meditate and fill it > with the pictures of those saints and heroes in your life who > inspire you. Surround yourself with the "arrows" in your life that > point you towards who you really are. So then, everywhere you look, > there's a great being who's directly pointing at your heart. this is a much more powerful technique than I first realized. I have done this from time to time, yet it has overwhelmed me also, sometimes simultaneously creating a presence of the saints, and a gulf between them (the saints) and me that is unresolvable. Very, very powerful! I am currently in a phase where I have taken down my makeshift altar. Will probably put it up again sometime. Using the 'television channel' instead. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Rick wrote: > > > > > > > Are you saying that this directly addresses > > Transcendental > > Meditation? > > > > > > All forms of meditation which work at transcending > > thought, not just > > > TM©. > > > > I agree, forms of meditation that work at > > transcending thought by > > their very nature bind one to thought. > > Can you say more about this? I don't understand. , It just goes to the basic TM premise that it is an effortless process. Contrary to how some feel, I personally feel that my TM practice is effortless and that I have no goal while engaged in it. Any meditation that has some thought of what should be happening, such as "clear your mind of thoughts", is bound to thought no matter how subtle the thought. This includes TM if it is done with a goal in mind. Transcending the intellect can occur by accident under many conditions and through many practices but consistency is effective. I think the key word is "work"; "forms of meditation that work at transcending thought by their very nature bind one to thought". Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "It's a lot better just to not think about it", well there's a > discussion stopper. It just makes me feel sorry for all those great > minds over the centuries that spent their entire lives trying to > express abstract spiritual truths on paper. Think of all the effort > they could have saved by instructing everyone to just not think > about it. Uh oh, two "thinks" in one sentence, way too much thinking > going on.OSF* > > *obligatory smiley face (first instituted by LBS) > > Rick Carlstrom yeah I understand the paradox. I was speaking more to me about the impossibility of actually describing the state of no 'I'. Also noting that at some point we have to just do it. All I can say is that God must laugh his ass off over this quandry we all face- how to describe the path leading to Him. You must admit it is pretty comical! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even now I still laugh about it. It was like getting > hit by a nuclear lust bomb. I just exploded with lust. > Pure lust roaring through every cell in my body. > Aching screaming lust. I just wanted to > UKKK!! > yeah, went through something similar (though wasn't 'trying' to be celibate- just ended up that way). oops, better be careful or Kirk's gonna get started... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
http://www.paulmason.info/x/MMYonGD.mp3 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the key word is "work"; "forms of meditation that work at > transcending thought by their very nature bind one to thought". aspirin, please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie's Chakras
I loved the rudraksha story. I have a 20+mm rudraksha kantha from Neeta and I wear that along with a 13mm crystal mala all the time. Not infrequently, when I'm in court I'll get up and walk around while I'm arguing or asking questions and I'll notice these puzzled looks on the faces of the judge or the court reporter or opposing counsel because they rattle and clack against each other as I move. They can't quite figure out what that noise is. No one has ever asked, though.Marek-It's the sound of Shiva's damaru. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
Work in the context I used it was meant to be "to accomplish, achieve; to cause, produce" NOT "To produce or cause by continued application of physical [or mental] force". Why was that not obvious? Am I being unclear? If so, I apologize. Therefore "achieve transcendence of thought" would be a way to say what was intended--although I'm sure there's a way to semantically twist that if that's the game you wish to play! On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Rick wrote: > I think the key word is "work"; "forms of meditation that work at > transcending thought by their very nature bind one to thought". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
I agree, forms of meditation that work at transcending thought by their very nature bind one to thought.Honestly, I never understood the transcending thought thing. Since the beginning for me there has been consciousness, thought and mantra all at the same time. The mantra has never changed or gotten finer, the thoughts have never gotten more subtle, and the consciousness has never gotten different. But each thing has grown more aware in terms of itself. If that makes sense. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at Yale)
it is fun to laugh at him; keeps us off balance. Why do you think the democrats are such a weak mess right now?-Fuck Democrats. Fuck Republicans. It's all over for the US. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
And/Or, you could do puja to Guru Dev.Marek---And/or you could do a puja to Shiva. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snip) > > > > Is it possible that, the experience of there being > > no "I" to intend > > or not to intend is based on the recognition that > > ego as has always > > been identified with as "I" is actually not Self > > therefore "I" do > > not exist. Maybe a more accurate statement would be: > > therefore "I" > > is not the ego. > > No. "I" and the ego are one and the same. Rick, let me > ask you a question. Why this powerful protest about > the "I" disappearing? I contend that it is because of > the the "I"/consciousness confound. But why do you > stuggle with it? Of course it could be just my fear of an "I" disappearing, I am not so stupid as to deny the possibility that I may not know all that there is to know, but, this discussion may also be about a greater understanding of the dissolution of ego and how that relates to the broader sense of I that is often hinted at in the Vedas and such. Things like "Curving back upon myself I create again and again" indicate a sense of consciousness knowing itself. Consciousness is conscious. When people say "hey, its not me, things are just happening", I wonder, what is noticing that? We end up back in duality, there is a witnessing of action and then there is some God/Nature/Mystery that is responsible for this action. "Why do you struggle with it?" I am reminded of the invasion of the body snatchers where the holdouts are encouraged to just go to sleep, everything will be okay. OSF Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
Oh thanks. We'll see. Turns out it wouldn't be for another 4-6 weeks. They're just building the place now. Not sure I really care to be honest. They didn't know what the hell they were doing and I'm not sure they would understand the process if someone who knew came to work for them. I am working right now part time at B- K- (Mardi-Gras Place) doing cooking demos on weekends. It pays better than any other job I ever had, except it's part time. Until I find something that's as relaxing and pays just as well I'm not going to worry about it. That or until the wife boxes my ears, whichever comes first. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment here's sincerely hoping that you get the job if you want it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree, forms of meditation that work at transcending thought by > their very nature bind one to thought. > > > > > Honestly, I never understood the transcending thought thing. Since the beginning for me there has been consciousness, thought and mantra all at the same time. The mantra has never changed or gotten finer, the thoughts have never gotten more subtle, and the consciousness has never gotten different. But each thing has grown more aware in terms of itself. If that makes sense. yeah I've had the same experience. More overall awareness, but as you say, evrything else has stayed the same To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Rick wrote: > > > There may be a "place" where vasanas are obliterated but unless they > > are no longer attractive then the obliteration is only temporary. > > One would have to repeat the same "cause" that created he vasana and > then "seal" it--otherwise it will not recur. Exactly. The question is if the vasana is obliterated through technique does that ensure that the same vasana will never again be able to be created? Does the technique cause a fundamental change in the one that created the vasana in the first place or does it just erase the vasana? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course it could be just my fear of an "I" disappearing, yeah it is. No big deal. When I do a stillness of the mind meditation, sometimes my heart goes nuts briefly at first, silly panic and distress, ha-ha!!. Just the stupid ego trying to reassert itself as a result of lifetimes of habit. Then the mind stops thinking and the game is over. Oh, and of course: "The information and materials contained in these pages - and the terms, conditions, and descriptions that appear - are subject to change. Not all products and services are available in all geographic areas. Your eligibility for particular products and services is subject to final determination and acceptance by the entity providing such products or services." -- part of a Citicorp warranty statement, which applies pretty well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
I have this figured out for myself. Maybe this will help you who haven't or maybe not. Thoughts arise. They arise from different places. In the body. Different places in space. If one is broad then when thoughts move one can act to satisfy them. One is then working for the cosmos. What happens though is the thoughts reach a culmination in the brain where they are vocalized. By the time they are vocalized and thought over they have left the more subtle realm from which they arose, and are therefore not so easily manifested. At that point, the grasping after them further lessens their power. The rememberance of the thought and its concatenation even further binds the thought until it is completely out of synch with the circumstances from which it arose. At this point, to act upon the thought is to be attacking the outer circles of the mandala of oneself. If one doesn't identify with any thought, or become attached to any thought then as a thought arises then it also is a reflection of circumstances, or better yet, is spontaneously arisen from the very source of thought. If left untouched then it liberates into awareness. If it's still in the energetic space and one can sense where it's going then to work with it then makes its fulfillment easier. The ego may very well still exist as the repository of the basic space of the phenomena, but the thoughts are not belonging to the ego, but to basic matter/space itself, and one is merely a gardener cultivating ones garden. This only applies to the person who lives with energy and not with matter in a concrete way. Just let go. Then see what arises, and go with that. The body is The Temple. Then Temple knows what it needs. The problem is when the outer cemetary of the mind - the ego, trys to run it. - Original Message - From: Rick To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> a fun experiment to try: close your eyes, and one by one eliminate > the motion of the mind; no projection right, left, up, down, > backwards, forwards. Just bring it to a quiet stop, no thought. > Allow the senses to continue to operate, just don't interact with > their objects.> > Then, where is I? no idea.> > If you attempt on the other hand to think your way into an > understanding of enlightenment, you will get some reasonable > approximate understanding, but the trick then is to use that as a > spur for the heart to thirst more for enlightenment, and not allow > the ego instead to pursue this idealized concept of enlightenment, > (leading to more musing and thinking). Stupid ego. > > It always sounds so complicated when it is thought about. Works a > lot better to just not think about it. Then you will find it, and > all of your answers will come quickly and effortlessly. "It's a lot better just to not think about it", well there's a discussion stopper. It just makes me feel sorry for all those great minds over the centuries that spent their entire lives trying to express abstract spiritual truths on paper. Think of all the effort they could have saved by instructing everyone to just not think about it. Uh oh, two "thinks" in one sentence, way too much thinking going on.OSF**obligatory smiley face (first instituted by LBS)Rick CarlstromTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
lay three beautiful> topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little> alcove. Oh my God! Trishakti? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
gerbal88 wrote: >--- In Message 1935 of 2016 at >[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Premanand Paul Mason" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>MMY answers questions about Guru Dev. >>[...] >>...And I was never interested who was given what mantra. I was >>interested in myself. [laughter and giggling]... >>[...] >>... Out of that fullness I started to teach. [MMY pauses, slight >>audience laughter] At least by practice people could rise and raise >>themselves up. >> >> >– >Thank you, Paul, for posting this. I read it a couple of days ago and >have been turning it over in my mind. At first, I felt some >irritation, a kind of "I knew it", Maharishi is only >interested in >himself! But I continued to reflect and began to consider that there >was something more to this. > >All the interest, dedication, commitment to others is a good thing, >of course. But without interest, dedication, commitment to one's >own >spiritual development (fully humanizing oneself before setting out to >help others), which I hope is what Maharishi is saying, nothing >really useful is going to be achieved. The more I thought about this >and other things Maharishi said over the years, things he said to me >personally and to others around him, the more I have felt a release >from the rather too obvious nuttiness of the TMO and a now paranoid >dependent old man who no longer is or can ever again be my teacher. > >"I was interested in myself" and "Out of that >fullness" seems to me >to be the key teaching, the summation of what Maharishi was doing all >those years: setting an example (never quite a good one with respect >to the cultural milieu I knew, but the best example he could come up >with, nonetheless). *Find what is right for you, penetrate it as >deeply as you possibly can and then, once you have determined it is >going to benefit you and, according to my cultural milieu, allow you >to benefit others, "go for it"*. > >I abandoned Maharishi and his organized loonies a long time ago; but >never quite saw through the mirage I had set up for myself about him >until I pondered this lovely piece of very interesting insight … >or >was it my own insight I was pondering. I don't know. > > > I gave up on the Movement in 1985 when I was charged $185 for what turned out to be an intro lecture on Ayurveda I could have given myself. I have spent the last 5 years with a tantric guru who only recently authorized me to teach yogic meditation. This is a technique that can be traced back centuries in our tradition. It is not something he made up. To be fair to MMY however we all probably wanted and still want to teach meditation for a very selfish reason: to try to get rid of the "drag" in society. We want to see more coherent thinking in the folks we deal with day to day whether it be the cashier who screws up your change or the boss who can't see past his own nose. Several years ago I was giving astrology readings for the folks at work. In one case, a young woman, who was the admin for my department was in danger of loosing her job because she was flaking out, disorganized, forgetting to do things etc. I gave her a mantra based on her horoscope and it was amazing to see how quickly she came together and is today a successful person. Jai Ma, - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wake Me...When Kali-Yuga's Over...
And of course some folks believe the Age of Aquarius is here already though it won't be for about another 300 years. gullible fool wrote: > >I wouldn't give up yet, Robert. Sat Yuga is not >supposed to be here until Guru Purnimah. Give it >another five weeks. > >--- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Sorry, I'm just a little discouraged that kali-yuga >>is here to stay, >>at least for a while... >> >> >> >> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Making vaasanaas to disappear??
Yoga-kuNDalyupaniSat is a yoga-upanishad. It's number 86 of the 108 "well-known" upanishads, belonging to kRSNa-yajur-veda. It starts like this: (yogakuNDalyupanishhadyogasiddhihR^idaasanam.h . nirvisheshhabrahmatattva.n svamaatramiti chintaye .. AUM saha naavavatu saha nau bhunaktu saha viirya.n karavaavahai . tejasvinaavadhiitamastu maa vidvishhaavahai .. AUM shaantiH shaantiH shaantiH .. hariH AUM ) .. hetudvaya.n hi chittasya vaasanaa cha samiiraNaH . tayorvinashhTa ekasmi.nstaddvaavapi vinashyataH .. 1.. tayoraadau samiirasya jaya.n kuryaannaraH sadaa . It seems to say something like this: The two reasons (hetu-dvayam) of mind, or stuff (citta) are vaasanaa and samiiraNa (=praaNa??). If of those two (tayoH) one (ekasmin) is "destroyed" (vinaSTe), both (tat; dvau) become "destroyed" (vinashyataH). Of those two (tayoH) in the beginning (aadau) one (naraH = man) should do (kuryaat) always (sadaa) controlling (jayam) of samiira (praaNa??). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
too silly!jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Of course it could be just my fear of an "I" disappearing, yeah it is. No big deal. When I do a stillness of the mind meditation, sometimes my heart goes nuts briefly at first, silly panic and distress, ha-ha!!. Just the stupid ego trying to reassert itself as a result of lifetimes of habit. Then the mind stops thinking and the game is over. Oh, and of course:"The information and materials contained in these pages - and the terms, conditions, and descriptions that appear - are subject to change. Not all products and services are available in all geographic areas. Your eligibility for particular products and services is subject to final determination and acceptance by the entity providing such products or services." -- part of a Citicorp warranty statement, which applies pretty well. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
When we get over the fear of losing self, small self, ego, and start experiencing pure consciousness more clearly, then we get into CC. Then, we start to experience that the pure consciousness, has movement to it, within itself, self-referral as Maharishi says ... Well, we start to find this pure consciousness, has a rythmn and reason to it, even musically, and we can follow the flow of it, just out of curiousity, and it feels a lot like the flow of bliss or love. Then, we find that this flow of pure consciousness, has a certain power behind it, depending on how infused the flow is with love, or bliss,compassion, or pure intention, whatever you'd like to call it. Well, how do we keep the ego, still lurking in the shadows, at bey, always ready to ponce and take the power back to it's little self? So, however we can stay in the self-referral frame, we stay out of the ego. I guess that is the trick...or the surrender..to Self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
Robt Gimbel wrote: "I guess that is the trick" For me, the "trick" is not to try so hard, not to manipulate. These things will take care of themselves in due time. Otherwise, it seems such a joke - the ego trying to stop the ego from interfering - why should it participate in its own annihilation? a --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When we get over the fear of losing self, small self, ego, and start > experiencing pure consciousness more clearly, then we get into CC. > Then, we start to experience that the pure consciousness, has movement > to it, within itself, self-referral as Maharishi says ... > Well, we start to find this pure consciousness, has a rythmn and > reason to it, even musically, and we can follow the flow of it, just > out of curiousity, and it feels a lot like the flow of bliss or love. > Then, we find that this flow of pure consciousness, has a certain > power behind it, depending on how infused the flow is with love, or > bliss,compassion, or pure intention, whatever you'd like to call it. > Well, how do we keep the ego, still lurking in the shadows, at bey, > always ready to ponce and take the power back to it's little self? > So, however we can stay in the self-referral frame, we stay out of the > ego. I guess that is the trick...or the surrender..to Self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Life in Fairfield, What An Experience! -- What Are You Experiencing?
An easy request of our Fairfield residents and campus participants: What's life like at MUM and how have you experienced being enrolled with or dealing with the University? Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helping you "Say It With Panache!" - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
It's interesting how each point of view has an explanation for how the other is entirely wrong. Vaj's pov states that techniques that transcend thought are of limited value. Maharishi's pov as expressed in the sci lesson on "consideration of other systems" was that: Any system that transcends its own activity is Transcendental Meditation; any system that does not is not being worthy of being called a system." Funny, the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Work in the context I used it was meant to be "to accomplish, achieve; > to cause, produce" NOT "To produce or cause by continued application of > physical [or mental] force". Why was that not obvious? Am I being > unclear? If so, I apologize. > > Therefore "achieve transcendence of thought" would be a way to say what > was intended--although I'm sure there's a way to semantically twist > that if that's the game you wish to play! > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Rick wrote: > > > I think the key word is "work"; "forms of meditation that work at > > transcending thought by their very nature bind one to thought". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
Ramana makes the same point in a funny way. He says working with the ego is like asking the thief that broke into your house to look for the thief that broke into your house. --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robt Gimbel wrote: > "I guess that is the trick" > > For me, the "trick" is not to try so hard, not to > manipulate. These > things will take care of themselves in due time. > Otherwise, it seems > such a joke - the ego trying to stop the ego from > interfering - why > should it participate in its own annihilation? > > a > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert > Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When we get over the fear of losing self, small > self, ego, and start > > experiencing pure consciousness more clearly, then > we get into CC. > > Then, we start to experience that the pure > consciousness, has > movement > > to it, within itself, self-referral as Maharishi > says ... > > Well, we start to find this pure consciousness, > has a rythmn and > > reason to it, even musically, and we can follow > the flow of it, just > > out of curiousity, and it feels a lot like the > flow of bliss or love. > > Then, we find that this flow of pure > consciousness, has a certain > > power behind it, depending on how infused the flow > is with love, or > > bliss,compassion, or pure intention, whatever > you'd like to call it. > > Well, how do we keep the ego, still lurking in the > shadows, at bey, > > always ready to ponce and take the power back to > it's little self? > > So, however we can stay in the self-referral > frame, we stay out of > the > > ego. I guess that is the trick...or the > surrender..to Self. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- Llundrub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > lay three beautiful > > topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little > > alcove. Oh my God! > > > Trishakti? must have been! __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
I gave up on the Movement in 1985 when I was charged $185 for what turned out to be an intro lecture on Ayurveda I could have given myself. I have spent the last 5 years with a tantric guru who only recently authorized me to teach yogic meditation. This is a technique that can be traced back centuries in our tradition. It is not something he made up. Who is your guru?To be fair to MMY however we all probably wanted and still want to teach meditation for a very selfish reason: to try to get rid of the "drag" in society. We want to see more coherent thinking in the folks we deal with day to day whether it be the cashier who screws up your change or the boss who can't see past his own nose. You know what? You're right. A lot of drag out there. It's really frustrating. Just last night, I walked to the video store. My wife and I are watching "The Shield" from start to finish. We had seen season one. Each season is four DVDs, but they only have the DVD 1 and 2 case on the shelf. So I took that case and asked if they had the whole thing. They said, all three seasons, no. I said I mean the whole season, and they said, yes but it's two separate DVDs. So I said fine. Then she gave me only two DVDs instead of the 4 DVDs. So I asked her for the other 2. So finally I got all four DVDs for the 2nd season. But when I got home I had the wrong season. So I had to go back to the store and get the right season. Then the girl asked if I wanted all the season 2 DVDs. You're sick of hearing about it? That's life. One person's fuck up spirals out of control, and we get a George Bush running to war over a misplaced comma. Much of what we call society is about the misplaced commas. People unscrewing their hot water bottle caps all through program. There's no fucking sense in this world. None at all whatsoever. The few people who do make sense don't have many friends. Several years ago I was giving astrology readings for the folks at work. In one case, a young woman, who was the admin for my department was in danger of loosing her job because she was flaking out, disorganized, forgetting to do things etc. I gave her a mantra based on her horoscope and it was amazing to see how quickly she came together and is today a successful person. I'd be curious to know what mantra system you use. Jai Ma,- Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
For me, the "trick" is not to try so hard, not to manipulate. These things will take care of themselves in due time. Otherwise, it seems such a joke - the ego trying to stop the ego from interfering - why should it participate in its own annihilation? -If you can show me an ego I can tell you how to annihilate it. It's not about annihilating something. Just like it's not about killing the neighbor with the stereo. It's about learning to hear the silence through the music, and seeing what isn't of the ego. Then it's all good in the hood. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Work in the context I used it was meant to be "to accomplish, achieve; > to cause, produce" NOT "To produce or cause by continued application of > physical [or mental] force". Why was that not obvious? Am I being > unclear? If so, I apologize. > > Therefore "achieve transcendence of thought" would be a way to say what > was intended--although I'm sure there's a way to semantically twist > that if that's the game you wish to play! No reason to get snippy my friend, I'm just trying to be clear on what you are saying. Rick Carlstrom > On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Rick wrote: > > > I think the key word is "work"; "forms of meditation that work at > > transcending thought by their very nature bind one to thought". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] LLundrub would have done it.
I was watching TV the other night and a guy was holding a poison arrow frog in his hand explaining how the natives would rub their arrow tips on the frogs toxic skin to make them more effective in bringing the prey down. He then said that the chemicals on the skin, when licked, had a mild hallucinogenic effect, adding that he didn't think he would be licking one anytime soon to see if it worked. I then thought "I bet Llundrub would". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should look into Mucuna pruriens, which is a natural form of L. Dopamine which is a serotonin precursor. > > http://www.rain-tree.com/velvetbean.htm > > http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php? Cat=0&Board=Garden&Number=2752717&Searchpage=1&Main=2727398&Words=l.do pa&topic=&Search=true#Post2752717 > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: marekreavis > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:24 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > **SNIP** > > >if anyone has had any > > > experience and/or > > > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? http://tinyurl.com/8cyql To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/