[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 4/6/06 4:14:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough 
> > for a papal edict?
> 
> Diksha is what the TMO does to you if they think you're  
> messing with another guru.

Now that's funny!  :-)

And so true.  Have you ever *seen* a more insecure
and jealous bunch of twits?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>   First, What is your definition of insanity.??

It would be complex, because insanity is a complex
subject, but I'm pretty sure that one aspect of it
would include people who give themselves the titles
of kings and expect others to honor those titles.
It would also include those stupid enough *to* honor
these self-given titles.  :-)

>   Second, it may not be sane, but you cannot ignore 
> the teachings completely.  That would be like throwing 
> the baby along with the bathwater.

Some babies deserve to be thrown out.  I'm with Shemp
on this one -- the *only* teaching I think was *ever*
of worth in the TM movement was how to do basic TM.
I think that's a good start for almost anyone, and
thus potentially valuable.  I think that everything
else, including the siddhis and the diet advice and
all the "Vedic" bullshit, is better thrown out.
   
>   Third, A little bit of Snake-Oil might be 
> necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement.

Who said a big movement was necessary?  It has turned
into an entity mostly concerned with continuing itself,
not with helping others.

Also, anyone who can actually *justify* "snake oil"
(that is, lying) to further a goal they think is worthy
has already lost his soul.

>   Fourth, Take what is good in all the masters and 
> leave out the irrelevant and the unnecessary.

There have never been any "masters" in history,
only people who longed to be subservient and thus
picked someone to be subservient to so that they
could call them "master."

> TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:11:01 -
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
> 
>
> And you believe this is sane?
> 
>
> 
>   
> -
> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
> wrote:
> > on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
> > 
> > > What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough 
> > > for a papal edict?
> > 
> > http://www.bhagavandharma.org/
> > 
> > It's all the rage in certain TMO circles, such as FF. The 
> > TMO National Leader of Holland has become a Diksha dude, 
> > an awkward situation since he is Maharishi's host.
> 
> Just goes to show you that unstressing can happen to anyone.

Funny, I was thinking that it shows that anyone 
can still have an open mind, even after decades
of training it to be closed.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/

2006-04-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/
>
Greeting cards - 3 models $24.00 , $15.00 and $12.00 ea.

They play melodies. 

I'm sure they provide income for the poor. 

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[...]
> No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
> toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
> themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's
> always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has
> always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever 
seen.
> 

This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal
> > edict?
> 
> http://www.bhagavandharma.org/
> 
> It's all the rage in certain TMO circles, such as FF. The TMO National
> Leader of Holland has become a Diksha dude, an awkward situation
since > he is Maharishi's host.
>

I never thought of it that way. :) 

Thanks, 

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
> > is by
> > > >> attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
> > > > them
> > > >> do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
> > > >> outside the TMO sandbox.
> > > >> 
> > > > What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
> > > > Ingegerd
> > > 
> > > That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
> > generally
> > > quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
> > confronted with
> > > impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
> > Geneva.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is 
> impossible?  
> > (by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)
> >
> 
> Yet...
> 
> Seriously, the goal is $10 trillion, but an investment of far less 
> than 1% of that goal would provide long-term income for a lot of poor 
> people if their analysis is correct.
>

No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's
always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has
always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever seen.


JohnY








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/6/06 4:14:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What 
  exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal 
  edict?

Diksha is what the TMO does to you if they think you're 
messing with another guru.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/6/06 11:09:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Gospel 
  of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years

So I take it that Judas didn't really commit suicide the next 
day after betraying Jesus. Must have had plenty of time to compose a Gospel, 
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[FairfieldLife] http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/

2006-04-06 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.gurudevdarshan.com/





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 6:18 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


>> I always knew that "pie hole" was willytex's line but I thought
>> that "go figure" was his, too...
> 
> I think Willytex stole it from Barry.
> 
> BTW, I looked up "pie hole" but couldn't find much.  It
> seems to be a variant on the British "cake hole."
> Apparently the Oxford English Dictionary credits Stephen
> King, of all people, for inventing it.  At least, the
> first known use in print is from "Christine."
> 
> Other than that, I doubt there's much to be explained
> about it.  At some point, somebody thought of "Shut yer
> cake hole" as a clever way to say "Shut yer mouth" and
> sound even more insulting, and others picked it up.

Robert De Niro uses it a lot (and obnoxiously) in this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108330/




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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is your Democratic Party

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Why the pokes at the Democratic Party? They have been rediculously 
> compliant with every one of Bush's moves (as anyone bribed into 
> silence would necessarily be...).
> 
> So, if they are pretty ineffectual these days, which is obviously 
> the case, and the Republicans are in charge of the Presidency, the 
> Congress, and the Supreme Court, what's the problem with the 
> Democrats?

Amy Sullivan of Washington Monthly has an eye-opening
article that rather neatly rebuts the notion that the
Democrats are floundering around and letting Bush get
away with stuff.  Basically, she says the problem is
that the media aren't reporting what the Democrats are
doing, and she gives a bunch of examples:

http://tinyurl.com/zud3c

Excerpt:

If the unsung Democratic guerillas were ever to adopt a mascot, it 
would have to be Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). The 10-term 
congresswoman from upstate New York is someone you don't hear about 
very often because: a) she's a House Democrat, and the media only has 
room for one of those, if that; and b) she's far too feisty and 
interesting. In a different news world that actually covered 
opposition parties, she'd be a media darling. Slaughter rarely bites 
her tongue, and she doesn't mind turning the tables on reporters. At 
age 76, she looks at least 15 years younger and has the energy of 
someone 50 years her junior. When I met Slaughter at her top-floor 
office in the Rayburn House Office Building to talk about why no one 
knows what she's been doing, she was ready to vent.

"There's this assumption that we're the Three Stooges over here, 
bungling around," she said, rolling her eyes. "I hear it all day and 
all night." What's wrong with Democrats? she mimics. "There's nothing 
wrong with us!" Slaughter herself has waged an ongoing—and largely 
unnoticed—campaign to highlight the ways in which Republicans have 
abused the legislative process, locking Democrats out completely and 
awarding themselves unbridled power. She almost single-handedly 
forced Republicans to back off on plans to tamper with the Ethics 
Committee in order to give Tom DeLay a break. The problem she and her 
colleagues run into over and over, Slaughter tells me, is 
that "nobody knows what we're doing up here because nobody ever 
covers it." A perfect example occurred at the beginning of March. 
Slaughter, who is a ranking member on the House Rules Committee, 
released the report "America for Sale: The Cost of Republican 
Corruption," outlining all of the ways that congressional Republicans 
have not only gamed the system, but created their own legislative 
system. She followed it up a week later with a legislative package to 
reform the House rules process, one of the major sources of GOP 
power. 

At a press conference to announce this reform package, Slaughter made 
her case and then challenged the reporters present, daring them to 
tell the story of how the Rules Committee had been hijacked. 
Unsurprisingly, no one did. That is, until Republicans decided to 
attack Slaughter's report, charging that it constituted campaign 
activity and was therefore an unlawful use of her office. Once 
journalists had a Republican angle to cover, it became a story, 
although the substance of Slaughter's report and its accusations was 
never mentioned.

It's a fairly long article, but if you want a
shorter version, Kevin Drum has a post about it
on his blog that hits the high spots:

http://tinyurl.com/jzdj7

Excerpt from Drum's post:

Democrats have actually been surprisingly united and effective over 
the past year despite their minority status and the media's 
insistence on pushing their favored storyline of Dems as hopelessly 
divided and timid. The reality is that the sell-by date on that 
storyline expired long ago.

Consider. Democrats successfully killed a Social Security 
privatization plan that nearly everyone thought was a lock for 
passage. Harry Reid forced the Intelligence Committee to investigate 
prewar intelligence by shutting down the Senate. Nancy Pelosi worked 
shrewdly with Jack Murtha to give him the maximum possible attention 
for his pro-withdrawal message. (Yes, really.) George Miller single-
handedly forced George Bush to rescind his suspension of the Davis-
Bacon Act following Hurricane Katrina. And Chuck Schumer was the 
driving force behind criticism of the Dubai port deal.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > 
> > > It's not standard English, at least in the USA, to refer to a 
> grown 
> > > woman as a "girl" these days. Women's Libbers called men on it 
> all 
> > > the time in the 70's because it is belittling someone else by 
> > > implying that you are older and wiser.
> > 
> > The poor men.  Originally it was intended as a
> > compliment, suggesting that the female in question
> > was still in the full bloom of youth and therefore
> > physically attractive.  Of course that was sexist
> > in and of itself, but that was in the days before
> > we knew there was such a thing as sexism.
> > 
> > Nowadays, if you want to casually address a group
> > of women, instead of saying, "Hey, girls," or "Hey,
> > ladies," you say, "Hey, guys..."
> > 
> > As Barry would say, Go figure.
> 
> I always knew that "pie hole" was willytex's line but I thought 
> that "go figure" was his, too...

I think Willytex stole it from Barry.

BTW, I looked up "pie hole" but couldn't find much.  It
seems to be a variant on the British "cake hole."
Apparently the Oxford English Dictionary credits Stephen
King, of all people, for inventing it.  At least, the
first known use in print is from "Christine."

Other than that, I doubt there's much to be explained
about it.  At some point, somebody thought of "Shut yer
cake hole" as a clever way to say "Shut yer mouth" and
sound even more insulting, and others picked it up.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > It's not standard English, at least in the USA, to refer to a 
grown 
> > woman as a "girl" these days. Women's Libbers called men on it 
all 
> > the time in the 70's because it is belittling someone else by 
> > implying that you are older and wiser.
> 
> The poor men.  Originally it was intended as a
> compliment, suggesting that the female in question
> was still in the full bloom of youth and therefore
> physically attractive.  Of course that was sexist
> in and of itself, but that was in the days before
> we knew there was such a thing as sexism.
> 
> Nowadays, if you want to casually address a group
> of women, instead of saying, "Hey, girls," or "Hey,
> ladies," you say, "Hey, guys..."
> 
> As Barry would say, Go figure.
>


I always knew that "pie hole" was willytex's line but I thought 
that "go figure" was his, too...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't
> > need
> > > > > > anything else...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe 
that.
> > > > >
> > > > > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the 
mantra
> > in
> > > > > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you 
need to
> > > > > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't 
taught
> > in
> > > > TM.
> > > > > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting
> > beliefs?
> > >
> > > Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm
> > > concerned.
> > >
> > > Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition
> > of
> > > witnessing (sakshin).
> >
> > OK, what is the "full definition of witnessing"and how do you know
> > that none of them are able to demonstrate it given that you don't
> > know who these people are?
> >
> > Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic
> > > Consciousness").
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.
> > > Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long
> > > while, it's not that great IMO.
> 
> I suggest you look into it yourself. I don't have time to argue
> and listen to the whining.

You can't ask Vaj to *explain* himself, silly.  His
thing is to make pronouncements.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sh*cks!

2006-04-06 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- Nelson wrote:
> >
> >  I once witnessed an electrician friend with his finger in a light
> > socket that couldnt tell if the power was on or not when I turned the
> > switch on.  
> 
> Do you recall whether he was he standing on a wooden ladder or wood
floor?
>
+++ Tile floor-- I once saw the same guy hold on to two wires which,
when touched together, blew a fuse.
As a teen ager, some of us gear heads would be looking at a
running engine and one would pull off a spark plug wire unnoticed and
then,holding onto it, touch the guy next to him sending the high
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  wrote:
> >
> > on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
> is by
> > >> attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
> > > them
> > >> do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
> > >> outside the TMO sandbox.
> > >> 
> > > What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
> > > Ingegerd
> > 
> 
> 
> > That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
> generally
> > quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
> confronted with
> > impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
> Geneva.
> >
> 
> ***
> 
> Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who can 
> understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent chaos in 
> the TMO:
> 
> http://geocities.com/bbrigante
>

Well you didn't say anything, did you?

I said it.

And now I say this: just how did Ingegerd (and others) get from my
statement to lack of competence? Where is the connection. The issue
was karma and ignorance that make them dangerous.

Did someone assume I was talking about the current TMO leadership? 

I could have been, but I wasn't. 

In fact, now that I think of it, maybe Richs list is what saves the
world, by ensuring that the Sal's and who else of this world remains
chained to their keyboards instead of making the streets unsafe.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> >
> > "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles
> > sang "Girl" (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-
> > old.
> 
> Esp. when the "girls" I was referring to were all of legal age, as 
> we well know. Were any of them underage? If they were that's news 
> to me. Maybe Judy has something she wants to tell us? They're just 
> playing games or too busy with their own dramas.

Vaj also seems to have conveniently forgotten his
references to MMY as a "pervert."






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's not standard English, at least in the USA, to refer to a grown 
> woman as a "girl" these days. Women's Libbers called men on it all 
> the time in the 70's because it is belittling someone else by 
> implying that you are older and wiser.

The poor men.  Originally it was intended as a
compliment, suggesting that the female in question
was still in the full bloom of youth and therefore
physically attractive.  Of course that was sexist
in and of itself, but that was in the days before
we knew there was such a thing as sexism.

Nowadays, if you want to casually address a group
of women, instead of saying, "Hey, girls," or "Hey,
ladies," you say, "Hey, guys..."

As Barry would say, Go figure.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



       First, What is your definition of insanity.??         Second, it may not be sane, but you cannot ignore the teachings completely.  That would be like throwing the baby along with the bathwater.         Third, A little bit of Snake-Oil might be necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement.         Fourth, Take what is good in all the masters and leave out the irrelevant and the unnecessary. 
 TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:11:01 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]       And you believe this is sane?   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:10 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't
> > need
> > > > > > anything else...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe 
that.
> > > > >
> > > > > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the 
mantra
> > in
> > > > > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you 
need to
> > > > > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't 
taught
> > in
> > > > TM.
> > > > > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting
> > beliefs?
> > >
> > > Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm
> > > concerned.
> > >
> > > Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition
> > of
> > > witnessing (sakshin).
> >
> > OK, what is the "full definition of witnessing"and how do you know
> > that none of them are able to demonstrate it given that you don't
> > know who these people are?
> >
> > Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic
> > > Consciousness").
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.
> > > Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long
> > > while, it's not that great IMO.
> > >
> 
> I suggest you look into it yourself. I don't have time to argue 
and  
> listen to the whining.
>

Ilooked up the word online and only found reference to "witness." 
Perhaps you could give me a tad more to go on?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:10 PM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't
> need
> > > > > anything else...
> > > >
> > > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> > > >
> > > > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra
> in
> > > > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > > > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught
> in
> > > TM.
> > > > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting
> beliefs?
> >
> > Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm
> > concerned.
> >
> > Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition
> of
> > witnessing (sakshin).
>
> OK, what is the "full definition of witnessing"and how do you know
> that none of them are able to demonstrate it given that you don't
> know who these people are?
>
> Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic
> > Consciousness").
>
> See above.
>
> There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.
> > Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long
> > while, it's not that great IMO.
> >

I suggest you look into it yourself. I don't have time to argue and  
listen to the whining.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't 
> need
> > > > > anything else...
> > > >
> > > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No, it's probably because YOU were taught that and believed it 
> and
> > > therefore think that all other TMers must think the way you
> > 
> > 
> > Not at all Shemp. When you see where the road stopped and see 
the  
> > methods continue, it's pretty darn obvious.
> >
> 
> You know, it's actually possible to like TM and recognize it for 
> what it is without buying into all the bullshit that the TMO puts 
> out...
> 
> And, quite frankly, Grasshopper, I don't understand your reference 
> above to "where the road stopped and see the methods continue"...
>

Well, that's just it. Ifyou were as advanced as Vaj is, you would 
know automatically.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't 
need
> > > > anything else...
> > >
> > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> > >
> > > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra 
in
> > > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught 
in
> > TM.
> > > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> > >
> >
> > So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting 
beliefs?
> 
> Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm  
> concerned.
> 
> Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition 
of  
> witnessing (sakshin). 

OK, what is the "full definition of witnessing"and how do you know 
that none of them are able to demonstrate it given that you don't 
know who these people are?

Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic  
> Consciousness").

See above.

 There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.  
> Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long  
> while, it's not that great IMO.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't 
need
> > > > anything else...
> > >
> > > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> >
> >
> >
> > No, it's probably because YOU were taught that and believed it 
and
> > therefore think that all other TMers must think the way you
> 
> 
> Not at all Shemp. When you see where the road stopped and see the  
> methods continue, it's pretty darn obvious.
>

You know, it's actually possible to like TM and recognize it for 
what it is without buying into all the bullshit that the TMO puts 
out...

And, quite frankly, Grasshopper, I don't understand your reference 
above to "where the road stopped and see the methods continue"...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 4/6/06 4:49 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I've never much liked the way he has run his organisation and
> > haven't since he went to Tibet in '75
> 
> Nepal
>

Right!  I always get those two mixed up...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need
> > > anything else...
> >
> > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
>
>
>
> No, it's probably because YOU were taught that and believed it and
> therefore think that all other TMers must think the way you


Not at all Shemp. When you see where the road stopped and see the  
methods continue, it's pretty darn obvious.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need
> > > anything else...
> >
> > Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> >
> > When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra in
> > all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to
> > pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught in
> TM.
> > It's as Barry described, a beginning.
> >
>
> So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting beliefs?

Self reporting would always be an issue in the TMO as far as I'm  
concerned.

Also understand none are able to demonstrate the full definition of  
witnessing (sakshin). Nor the full definition of turiyatita ("Cosmic  
Consciousness"). There are some elementary, hopeful signs perhaps.  
Given the fact these people have been meditating for a very long  
while, it's not that great IMO.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 4:49 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've never much liked the way he has run his organisation and
> haven't since he went to Tibet in '75

Nepal




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread gullible fool

> Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His
> Master Guru Dev, and offered
> in its purity by Governors of the Age of
> Enlightenment without any mixing of
> any unknown things.

Didn't he mean to say "recertified Governors of the
Age of Enlightenment"? 


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> Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha
> and anyone who is teaching
> it.
> 
> ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way
> any techniques or programs
> other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi
> Mahesh Yogi, and anyone
> who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the
> people. Maharishi teaches
> Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His
> Master Guru Dev, and offered
> in its purity by Governors of the Age of
> Enlightenment without any mixing of
> any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total
> Knowledge of life to
> everyone Universe, Total Natural Law,
> the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to
> perfection for the dawn of
> a new fortune of all mankind.
> 
> ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and
> Meditators not be misled on
> this point, and to keep their connection for
> enlightenment to Maharishi and
> the Vedic Tradition of Masters.²
> 
> Maharishi says: "Keep the teaching pure and don't
> adulterate it with
> anything."
> 
> 
> Raja Dr. John Konhaus
> Station 24, 6063NP
> Vlodrop, Netherlands
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> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal
> > edict?
> 
> http://www.bhagavandharma.org/
> 
> It's all the rage in certain TMO circles, such as FF. The TMO 
National
> Leader of Holland has become a Diksha dude, an awkward situation 
since he is
> Maharishi's host.
>

Oh, I just love it when these little embarrassing faux-pas' happen in 
the TMO!  It's so deliciously awkward for all the special people...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old 
peasant
> > boy
> > > > the
> > > > > > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the 
recently-
> > > > > > departed Dalai Lama once wore...
> > > > >
> > > > > You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's
> > what
> > > > you
> > > > > believe!
> > > > >
> > > > > The real story is pretty amazing.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense.
> > > >
> > > > Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies "
> > Seven
> > > > years in Tibet", "Kundun" and that Snow Lion documentary.
> > > >
> > > > If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt...
> > >
> > > Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_.
> > >
> > > He answered the disguised lamas who were visiting in the 
dialect
> > of
> > > Lhasa--an area he'd never been to in his brief life. They also
> > tried
> > > to fool him with a tray of malas. He rejected them all but got
> > upset
> > > when he recognized his old mala around one of the traders 
necks.
> > etc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...sleight of hand, mental projection...
> >
> > Big friggin' deal.  I'm sure The Amazing Kreskin could have 
picked
> > the right mala, too.
> >
> > I'll tell you what the REAL miracle was: the fact that this guy 
got
> > the Nobel Peace Prize...
> 
> I thought that miracle should have been attributed to Yassar 
Arafat...
>


Good point...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >
> > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need
> > anything else...
> 
> Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.



No, it's probably because YOU were taught that and believed it and 
therefore think that all other TMers must think the way you do.

I'm a cynical and skeptical person today and I was 33 years ago when 
I started TM...and I started it because I wasn't asked to believe in 
anything or to try or to concentrate in order to do it.

And it worked.

I've never had an affinity for MMY and -- with the exception of 3 or 
4 video and audio tapes that I found particularly fascinating and 
insightful -- I've been bored out of my mind watching him and 
hearing him on the literally thousands of videos and audio tapes 
I've heard.

I've never much liked the way he has run his organisation and 
haven't since he went to Tibet in '75 and taught people en masse 
OUTSIDE the 7-step program that I had just learnt on TTC.

Nevertheless, I am sold out on the TM technique and the TM program.

And, by the way, if I feel the way I do because it "was what I was 
taught to believe" then I wouldn't have said what I did because, as 
we all know, there are a thousand different additions to TM that 
have come down from on-high and if I was succeptible to believing 
what I was taught to believe I would be tauting Schtapatya Veda and 
all that OTHER crap that we are now told by MMY is essential for 
enlightenement.  Whereas I, on a daily basis on this forum, tell you 
what I think of all this.



> 
> When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra 
in  
> all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to  
> pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught in 
TM.  
> It's as Barry described, a beginning.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal
> > edict?
> 
> http://www.bhagavandharma.org/
> 
> It's all the rage in certain TMO circles, such as FF. The TMO National
> Leader of Holland has become a Diksha dude, an awkward situation 
since he is
> Maharishi's host.
>


Just goes to show you that unstressing can happen to anyone.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >
> > I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need
> > anything else...
> 
> Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.
> 
> When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra in  
> all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to  
> pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught in 
TM.  
> It's as Barry described, a beginning.
>

So the guys reporting witnessing 24/7 are merely reflecting beliefs?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:31 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant
> boy
> > > the
> > > > > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
> > > > > departed Dalai Lama once wore...
> > > >
> > > > You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's
> what
> > > you
> > > > believe!
> > > >
> > > > The real story is pretty amazing.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense.
> > >
> > > Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies "
> Seven
> > > years in Tibet", "Kundun" and that Snow Lion documentary.
> > >
> > > If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt...
> >
> > Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_.
> >
> > He answered the disguised lamas who were visiting in the dialect
> of
> > Lhasa--an area he'd never been to in his brief life. They also
> tried
> > to fool him with a tray of malas. He rejected them all but got
> upset
> > when he recognized his old mala around one of the traders necks.
> etc
>
>
>
>
>
> ...sleight of hand, mental projection...
>
> Big friggin' deal.  I'm sure The Amazing Kreskin could have picked
> the right mala, too.
>
> I'll tell you what the REAL miracle was: the fact that this guy got
> the Nobel Peace Prize...

I thought that miracle should have been attributed to Yassar Arafat...



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 4:12 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal
> edict?

http://www.bhagavandharma.org/

It's all the rage in certain TMO circles, such as FF. The TMO National
Leader of Holland has become a Diksha dude, an awkward situation since he is
Maharishi's host. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

>
> I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need
> anything else...

Well that's probably because you were taught to believe that.

When you learn more you find out you need to perfect the mantra in  
all the bodies, not just the mental one. Eventually you need to  
pierce the bindu. Unless I missed something, this ain't taught in TM.  
It's as Barry described, a beginning.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  
>   I think it's the age difference.  I am only 34.  Having seen 
them on VedaVision for many years on gets to feel an affinity for 
them.
>
>   Only after I looked into FairFieldLife the dirty linen came 
out.




Could you share a bit of your background, please?  Do you live in 
Fairfield?  Did you go to MIU?

Parents/family are Fairfield Ru's and that's how you got into it?

Enquiring minds want to know...



>   
> shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:19:39 -
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]
> 
>
> I guess I should have been clearer with my question: why do 
you feel it necessary to use these titles when writing about them?
> 
>   
> 
>   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant 
boy
> > the
> > > > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
> > > > departed Dalai Lama once wore...
> > >
> > > You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's 
what
> > you
> > > believe!
> > >
> > > The real story is pretty amazing.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense.
> >
> > Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies " 
Seven
> > years in Tibet", "Kundun" and that Snow Lion documentary.
> >
> > If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt...
> 
> Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_.
> 
> He answered the disguised lamas who were visiting in the dialect 
of  
> Lhasa--an area he'd never been to in his brief life. They also 
tried  
> to fool him with a tray of malas. He rejected them all but got 
upset  
> when he recognized his old mala around one of the traders necks. 
etc





...sleight of hand, mental projection...

Big friggin' deal.  I'm sure The Amazing Kreskin could have picked 
the right mala, too.

I'll tell you what the REAL miracle was: the fact that this guy got 
the Nobel Peace Prize...


> 
> Seven Years in Tibet wasn't as good as the book, I was 
disappointed.  
> Kundun was a little better. I think Avedon's work is the best for 
a  
> western audience.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



       I think it's the age difference.  I am only 34.  Having seen them on VedaVision for many years on gets to feel an affinity for them.         Only after I looked into FairFieldLife the dirty linen came out.  shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:19:39 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]       I guess I should have been clearer with my question: why do you
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 5:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy
> the
> > > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
> > > departed Dalai Lama once wore...
> >
> > You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what
> you
> > believe!
> >
> > The real story is pretty amazing.
> >
>
>
> Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense.
>
> Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies " Seven
> years in Tibet", "Kundun" and that Snow Lion documentary.
>
> If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt...

Read John Avedon's _In Exile From the Land of Snows_.

He answered the disguised lamas who were visiting in the dialect of  
Lhasa--an area he'd never been to in his brief life. They also tried  
to fool him with a tray of malas. He rejected them all but got upset  
when he recognized his old mala around one of the traders necks. etc

Seven Years in Tibet wasn't as good as the book, I was disappointed.  
Kundun was a little better. I think Avedon's work is the best for a  
western audience.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world 
peace 
> > is by
> > > >> attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and 
have
> > > > them
> > > >> do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create 
havoc
> > > >> outside the TMO sandbox.
> > > >> 
> > > > What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
> > > > Ingegerd
> > > 
> > > That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to 
are 
> > generally
> > > quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
> > confronted with
> > > impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or 
rebuild 
> > Geneva.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is 
> impossible?  
> > (by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)
> >
> 
> Yet...
> 
> Seriously, the goal is $10 trillion, but an investment of far less 
> than 1% of that goal would provide long-term income for a lot of 
poor 
> people if their analysis is correct.
>


Yeah, and if communism worked it would provide long-term income for 
a whole lot of poor people, too.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> [...]
> > > To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
> > > technique of meditation
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?
> > 
> > Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an 
experiential 
> > standpoint or an intellectual one.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Well, it IS a beginner's technique. The itneresting thing about it 
is 
> that it appears to be an advanced technique also.






I think it's the whole shebang, a complete package...don't need 
anything else...




> 
> The latest EEG research out of MUM shows that after about 4 
months, 
> the EEG changes in the brain tend to stabilize during TM. There 
are 
> periods of higher EEG coherence and lower in a given meditation 
> period, but the average seems to stay pretty constantafter about 4 
> months.
> 
> HOWEVER, the changes in EEG *outside* TM appear to continue for 
> decades as the brain changes to support transcending outside TM 
> practice.
> 
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  wrote:
> >
> > on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
> is by
> > >> attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
> > > them
> > >> do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
> > >> outside the TMO sandbox.
> > >> 
> > > What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
> > > Ingegerd
> > 
> > That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
> generally
> > quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
> confronted with
> > impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
> Geneva.
> >
> 
> 
> What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is 
impossible?  
> (by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)
>

Yet...

Seriously, the goal is $10 trillion, but an investment of far less 
than 1% of that goal would provide long-term income for a lot of poor 
people if their analysis is correct.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> >
> > "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
sang "Girl"
> > (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.
> 
> Esp. when the "girls" I was referring to were all of legal age, as 
we  
> well know. Were any of them underage? If they were that's news to 
me.  
> Maybe Judy has something she wants to tell us? They're just playing  
> games or too busy with their own dramas.
>

Are you calling Judy a "girl"?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
[...]
> > To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
> > technique of meditation
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?
> 
> Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an experiential 
> standpoint or an intellectual one.
> 
> 
> 

Well, it IS a beginner's technique. The itneresting thing about it is 
that it appears to be an advanced technique also.

The latest EEG research out of MUM shows that after about 4 months, 
the EEG changes in the brain tend to stabilize during TM. There are 
periods of higher EEG coherence and lower in a given meditation 
period, but the average seems to stay pretty constantafter about 4 
months.

HOWEVER, the changes in EEG *outside* TM appear to continue for 
decades as the brain changes to support transcending outside TM 
practice.

> 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

>
> "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles sang "Girl"
> (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.

Esp. when the "girls" I was referring to were all of legal age, as we  
well know. Were any of them underage? If they were that's news to me.  
Maybe Judy has something she wants to tell us? They're just playing  
games or too busy with their own dramas.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > An elitist superstition codified
> > > > is no less of an elitist superstition.
> > > 
> > > Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
> > > based on the Jyotish chart...
> > 
> > I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
> > 
> > Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
> > on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
> > on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
> > claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
> > only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
> > astrologer willing to say that the person is a
> > "Brahman based on his chart."
> > 
> > But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on 
> > earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi 
> > could have become Shankaracharya, other than a 
> > few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions 
> > because the fantasy makes them feel more important?
> > 
> > To me the most fascinating thing is that the people
> > who do this -- the ones who try to construct some 
> > fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or 
> > should have been Shankaracharya -- are probably
> > considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than 
> > Shudras because they're not even Indian.  :-)
> >
> 
> 
> It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy the 
> Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
> departed Dalai Lama once wore...
>

Confidentially, I tend to agree. OTOH, were I ever to meet with the 
Dali Lama or MMY, I wouldn't say such things to their face.

Besides, I *still* bounce on my bum, so who am I to mock other 
beliefs?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  
>   I refered to him as, "His Majesty".  Other Ministers in the 
Global country should be refered as Excellencies.  Exc. Bevan Morris 
says Maharishi insists on calling them as Excellencies.




I guess I should have been clearer with my question: why do you feel 
it necessary to use these titles when writing about them?





> 
> shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:53:47 -
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
> 
>
> Jason:
> 
>   May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with "His 
Excellency" and Bevan's with "Exc"?
>
>   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock  
> wrote: 
> > I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, 
Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  Looks like 
a Genuine guy.
>
> > Vaj  wrote:
> >   Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
> > 
> > True. And you have to be established in Brahman and 
> essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to 
be a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so 
he's down on several counts.
> >
> 
>
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> >> I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
is by
> >> attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
> > them
> >> do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
> >> outside the TMO sandbox.
> >> 
> > What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
> > Ingegerd
> 


> That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
generally
> quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
confronted with
> impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.
>

***

Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who can 
understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent chaos in 
the TMO:

http://geocities.com/bbrigante






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Wi-Fi for SF

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Question: assuming San Franscisco gets set up for this Wi-Fi, would 
> that mean that people with high speed internet via their cable 
> companies will no longer need it?
> 

Did you note "supported by advertising?" What it does is interfere 
with local NON-commercial broadband wireless. I wonder how they will 
handle thecomplaints from people who findthat they can't receive non-
commercial wireless without interference fromthe citywide setup.

> 
> 
> ---
> 
> EarthLink, Google to provide San Francisco Wi-FI
> Thu Apr 6, 2006 2:16 PM ET 
> 
> 
> SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A San Francisco city commission has 
> selected a joint bid by Web search leader Google Inc. and Internet 
> service provider EarthLink
> 
> Inc. to provide free wireless access throughout the city.
> 
> The Department of Telecommunications and Information Services said 
> late on Wednesday that the city will begin contract negotiations 
> with EarthLink and Google to create a widely available wireless 
> broadband network across San Francisco.
> 
> The EarthLink proposal edged out runner-up MetroFi and four other 
> bidders, the city government said in a statement.
> 
> EarthLink and Google are working with wireless equipment suppliers 
> Motorola Inc. and Tropos Networks to construct a mobile network for 
> residents, businesses, municipal government and visitors.
> 
> Google has said it plans to offer free wireless access supported by 
> advertising. EarthLink will offer services aimed at business users 
> and to support local government activities.
> 
> EarthLink also has been selected to build a municipal Wi-Fi network 
> for the city of Philadelphia, and more recently, for Milpitas, 
> California, in Silicon Valley.
> 
> Donald Berryman, president of EarthLink's municipal networks unit 
> said in a statement: "We look forward to taking the next step to 
> negotiate a contract to build a municipal wireless broadband 
> network."
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
> > > technique of meditation
> > 
> > Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?
> > 
> > Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an 
> > experiential standpoint or an intellectual one.
> 
> Isn't it great to realize that, even at your
> age, you can learn something new?
>


Actually, it makes me wonder if you ever practised TM the way it is 
supposed to be practised.

It's the simplicity and effortlessness that makes it work (at least 
in my experience).  

The more you try, the less it works.  Is that perhaps what happened 
to you?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy 
the
> > Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
> > departed Dalai Lama once wore...
> 
> You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what 
you  
> believe!
> 
> The real story is pretty amazing.
>


Okay, it was eyeglasses or some such nonsense.

Look my source for any info I have on the DL are the movies " Seven 
years in Tibet", "Kundun" and that Snow Lion documentary.

If I've got it wrong, blame Martin Scorcese and Brad Pitt...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  wrote:
> > on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote:
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >>> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > >>> 
> >  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
> until
> >  his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to 
his
> > >> chart
> >  certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
> name was
> >  recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't.
> > >>> 
> > >>> What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
> > >>> 
> > >> 
> > >> Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
> > >> highest
> > >> quality.
> > > 
> > > Which girl told you that?
> > 
> > "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
> > sang "Girl"
> > (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.
> 
> You forget who you're trying to talk sense to,
> Rick.  The paranoids have decided that they *know*
> the nefarious intent of Vaj's use of the word
> 'girl,' and that's that.  Nothing you or anyone
> can say can change what for them has become a 
> reality.  This is their minds on cultthink.
>

It's not standard English, at least in the USA, to refer to a grown 
woman as a "girl" these days. Women's Libbers called men on it all 
the time in the 70's because it is belittling someone else by 
implying that you are older and wiser.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
> >>> 
>  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until
>  his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his
> >> chart
>  certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name 
was
>  recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't.
> >>> 
> >>> What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
highest
> >> quality.
> > 
> > Which girl told you that?
> 
> "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
sang "Girl"
> (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.
>

Useage changes. In the early 70's, women would jump all over me for 
using "girl" to refer to anyone post-puberty. For the most part, this 
seems to have become standard. The only way you can avoid it is to 
refer to boys AND girls or be so much older that people forgive you 
for using it in a non-standard way. E.G. my mother referring to 
Robert Redford as a handsome boy.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
What exactly is Diskha and why is it important enough for a papal 
edict?






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who 
is teaching
> it.
> 
> ³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques 
or programs
> other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and 
anyone
> who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi 
teaches
> Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, 
and offered
> in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any 
mixing of
> any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to
> everyone the will of God, to raise every aspect of life to perfection for 
the dawn of
> a new fortune of all mankind.
> 
> ³I wish to caution all the Governors, Sidhas and Meditators not be 
misled on
> this point, and to keep their connection for enlightenment to 
Maharishi and
> the Vedic Tradition of Masters.²
> 
> Maharishi says: "Keep the teaching pure and don't adulterate it 
with
> anything."
> 
> 
> Raja Dr. John Konhaus
> Station 24, 6063NP
> Vlodrop, Netherlands
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Www.mvoai.org
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>  
>   I refered to him as, "His Majesty".  Other Ministers 
> in the Global country should be refered as Excellencies.  
> Exc. Bevan Morris says Maharishi insists on calling them 
> as Excellencies.

And you believe this is sane?


> shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:53:47 -
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
> 
>
> Jason:
> 
>   May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with "His 
Excellency" and Bevan's with "Exc"?
>
>   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock  
> wrote: 
> > I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, 
Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  Looks like 
a Genuine guy.
>
> > Vaj  wrote:
> >   Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
> > 
> > True. And you have to be established in Brahman and 
> essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to 
be a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so 
he's down on several counts.
> >
> 
>
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Scotland the worst part of scorpionland

2006-04-06 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/04/06/scotland/index_np.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
 wrote:
> >
> > sparaig wrote:
> > > You're being rather vague here Judy. 
> > >
> > Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, 
I guess.
> > 
> > > Was this intentional...?
> > >
> > Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread -
 just
> > another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a
> > know-it-all. Anybody can see that Judy hasn't added one thing to 
the
> > current thread. Obviously Judy's not an insider with any new
> > information. Go figure.
> >
> What makes you think you are any different?
>

I'd love to know the etymology of "pie hole".







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 3:53 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jason:
> 
> May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with "His
> Excellency" and Bevan's with "Exc"?

Good point. Nader is "His Majesty," and don't you forget it!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Shemp]

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



       I refered to him as, "His Majesty".  Other Ministers in the Global country should be refered as Excellencies.  Exc. Bevan Morris says Maharishi insists on calling them as Excellencies.shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:53:47 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes       Jason:  May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with "His Excellency" and Bevan's with "Exc"?     --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  Looks like a Genuine guy.   > Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>   Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes> > True. And you have to be established in Brahman and essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's down on several counts.>       
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> This is almost as good as Public Radio's April Fool's stunt, a story 
about positive operas.
> 
> One Man's Sad Goal? Make Opera Positive
> 
> by Alice Furlaud 
> 
> All Things Considered, April 1, 2006 · On Cape Cod, an impresario 
seeks rewrites of the 
> world's great tragic operas. He wants to give them a happy ending for 
performances by his 
> children's opera company. Some might call it a fool's errand.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/g6pr2
>

Bah. Bugs Bunny winks at the end. How much more positive do you need?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of stories 
right now:
> 
> Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
> 
> By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
> 
> The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus 
> and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today.
> Excerpts From the Gospel (pdf)




I always thought that Nikos Kazantzakis had it right that Judas was 
part and parcel of the divine plan because without him Jesus may not 
have been crucified, which was God's divine plan that his only 
begotten yada yada yada





> 
> 
> Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
> 
> By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
> 
> Scientists found evidence of limbs in the making in the 
> 375-million-year-old fish's forward fins.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 1:49 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  
wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
the
> > > > > > > highest
> > > > > > > quality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which girl told you that?
> > > > >
> > > > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> > > >
> > > > Have you no sanity?
> > > >
> > > > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
> > >
> > > I got the joke, fool.
> > >
> > > Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls 
is
> > > inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was 
a
> > > pedaphile.
> >
> > You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
> > you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
> > "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice
> > versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard
> > to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
> 
> He needs to get in touch with the Yonified Field and let go of his  
> Inner Bitch.
>

Sorry, I'm an outie, not an innie.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
I so much loved reading this...until I saw from some of the 
responses that it may be a goof.

I hope it isn't.

I'll take a Beatles reunion any way I can get it!  And this one 
would have the genuine DNA to really give it some credibility!







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch
> 
> While a Beatles reunion concert is sadly out of the question, 
Beatle
> fans may just get the next best  thing: Julian & Sean Lennon, 
James
> McCartney, Dhani  Harrison, and Zak & Jason Starkey are 
getting together
> for a series of concerts this summer.  Calling their outing 
the 'Here
> Comes The Sons' 2006  Tour, the surprising Beatles 
siblings 'reunion'
> came  about when Julian Lennon visited Friar Park, the 
home of the
> late George Harrison, at the request of Dhani  Harrison and 
his mother
> Olivia, Harrison's widow.  Olivia had come across some George 
Harrison
> demos which George had intended to send to John Lennon in  
the
> months prior to Lennon's tragic death. Harrison  had recorded 
the demos
> trying to emulate Lennon's voice, and decided that the songs 
were better
> suited  for John. After Lennon's passing, Harrison shelved the 
tapes,
> which were later discovered by Olivia.  Listening to the 
songs,
> Olivia also felt the songs  needed a Lennon vocal and invited 
Julian
> Lennon to Friar Park to hear the demos. Julian listened and 
liked the
> songs, but thought that there were some  parts that needed a 
higher,
> younger vocal register than he could muster. He rang up his 
half-brother
> Sean, and emailed an mp3 of a couple of the demos to the youngest 
Lennon.
> Both Lennon's were excited about  the songs and arranged to 
record them
> at Friar Park  with Dhani and Sean doing the guitar parts.
> Playbacks of the songs revealed to the young Harrison and Lennon 
Brothers
> that some distinctive bass and  drum parts were needed. On a 
hunch, they
> rang Sir Paul  McCartney to see if he might have interest in 
the
> project. Sir Paul politely refused, but suggested that  
perhaps his son,
> James, might be the man they needed  to play bass. James 
McCartney
> arrived at the sessions  with Zak & Jason Starkey, the sons of 
Beatles
> drummer  Ringo Starr, who happened to be visiting the 
McCartney's in
> London. The six Beatles siblings then  went to work on the 
Harrison
> demos, and the finished  results so pleased them, they decided 
that not
> only  would they release the songs, they would also record
> additional original material for an album release, to be followed 
by a brief
> tour of the United States.  At a press conference held at 
Abbey Road
> Studios, the  Beatles siblings made an official announcement 
of the
> tour and album release. "Were all very excited by the  songs", 
Dhani
> Harrison beamed, "Dad really wanted John Lennon to record these 
songs, and
> in a way, I feel that we're honoring his wishes". "I'm very 
humbled
> that Olivia and Dhani asked me to listen to George's  demos", 
chimed in
> Julian Lennon, "and I'm very happy that Sean is onboard this 
project too.
> We've been talking for years about doing something together, 
and
> these songs felt just right for us. And to have Dhani,  James, 
Zak &
> Jason involved makes this a very special  project as well".
> "Our Dad's at first were a little leery about us doing  this", 
said
> James McCartney , refering to McCartney  and Starr, "but after 
they
> heard what we put together, they gave us their blessings". "It's 
funny in a
> way",  added Zak Starkey, "I've played with my Dad, The 
Who  and
> Oasis, but playing with these guys, who are more  or less as 
much
> brothers to me as Jason is, I'm really  excited at the 
prospect of going
> on the road with them". When asked who came up with the idea 
of calling
> the  tour 'Here Comes The Sons 2006', Dhani Harrison 
raised  his
> hand. "Guilty!', he laughed, joined by the other  five. "After 
all, I
> made the phone call!", which elicited another round of laughter 
from the
> group. The  tour kicks off at Irving Plaza in New York City 
on April
> 1st, 2006. More dates to be announced. Stella  McCartney will 
be
> designing the stage wear for the group.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> > wrote:
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  
> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was 
of 
> > the 
> > > > > > > > highest
> > > > > > > > quality.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Which girl told you that?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have you no sanity?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
> > > > 
> > > > I got the joke, fool. 
> > > > 
> > > > Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as 
girls
> > > > is inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that 
he 
> > > > was a pedaphile.
> > > 
> > > You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
> > > you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
> > > "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
> > > versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
> > > to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
> > 
> > It isn't about "protecting" MMY and TM.  It's about
> > pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
> > True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
> > you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
> > trample the facts.
> > 
> > You didn't use the word "girl" by accident.
> 
> I didn't use the word 'girl' period.
> 
> You people are so paranoid and crazy you 
> can't even keep track of who you think is 
> persecuting you.  :-)  :-)  :-)
>

We're not keeping score, unlike some...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
the 
> > > > > > highest
> > > > > > quality.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which girl told you that?
> > > > 
> > > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> > > 
> > > Have you no sanity?
> > > 
> > > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
> > 
> > I got the joke, fool. 
> > 
> > Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls 
is 
> > inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a 
> > pedaphile.
> 
> You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
> you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
> "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
> versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
> to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
>

Perhaps if I had remembered the line properly, you would have gotten 
the joke?

Have you no shame, sir? At long last, have you no shame?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
> > technique of meditation
> 
> Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?
> 
> Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an 
> experiential standpoint or an intellectual one.

Isn't it great to realize that, even at your
age, you can learn something new?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  wrote:
> > on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote:
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >>> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > >>> 
> >  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
> until
> >  his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to 
his
> > >> chart
> >  certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
> name was
> >  recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't.
> > >>> 
> > >>> What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
> > >>> 
> > >> 
> > >> Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
> > >> highest
> > >> quality.
> > > 
> > > Which girl told you that?
> > 
> > "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
> > sang "Girl"
> > (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.

The Beatles aren't exactly the arbiters of
the connotations of a term today on the basis of
a song they wrote 30 or more years ago, Rick.  Times
change, and in any case song lyrics get to claim the
"poetic license" exemption.  "Woo-o-o-man" wouldn't
have worked anywhere near as well in that song.

> You forget who you're trying to talk sense to,
> Rick.  The paranoids have decided that they *know*
> the nefarious intent of Vaj's use of the word
> 'girl,' and that's that.

Actually it's Barry who has very conveniently
forgotten that Vaj has repeatedly referred to
Maharishi as a "pervert."




  Nothing you or anyone
> can say can change what for them has become a 
> reality.  This is their minds on cultthink.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
Jason:

May I ask you why you are preceeding Nader's name with "His 
Excellency" and Bevan's with "Exc"?





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> I think His Majesty Dr. Nader is a Master of the Absolute, 
Relative and he's qualified for the Light-sabre as well.  Looks like 
a Genuine guy.
>   
> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:51:52 -0400
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
> 
> True. And you have to be established in Brahman and 
essentially a pandit of the tradition--in other words, you had to be 
a master of absolute and relative jnana or no light saber...so he's 
down on several counts.
>
>   
> 
>   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy the
> Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
> departed Dalai Lama once wore...

You're obviously not familiar with the real story if that's what you  
believe!

The real story is pretty amazing.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> >> I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
is by
> >> attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
> > them
> >> do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
> >> outside the TMO sandbox.
> >> 
> > What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
> > Ingegerd
> 
> That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
generally
> quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
confronted with
> impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.
>


What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is impossible?  
(by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> wrote:
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An elitist superstition codified
> > > > > > > is no less of an elitist superstition.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
> > > > > > based on the Jyotish chart...
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
> > > > > on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
> > > > > on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
> > > > > claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
> > > > > only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
> > > > > astrologer willing to say that the person is a
> > > > > "Brahman based on his chart."
> > > > 
> > > > And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
> > > > until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
> > > > due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
> > > > that his family name was recognized as "unworthy" by the 
> > > > Jyotishi doesn't.
> > > 
> > > I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
> > > pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
> > > be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
> > > ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
> > > a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
> > > on the same thing.
> > 
> > Heh. It just jives with what I have heard about why MMY couldn't
> > become Shankaracharya. I 
> > mean, think about it: a birth-chart consists of 3 things: time 
> > of birth, place of birth and name.
> > 
> > Most people think of the time and place as being the most
> > important for such a chart, but 
> > what if it was *name* and place that gave the jyotishi pause?
> 
> And what if it was the monkeys flying out of 
> Maharishi's butt that 'gave them pause.'  :-)
> 
> Face it, dude...this is about YOUR need to feel
> important because you like to think of yourself
> as studying with someone who was qualified to be 
> Shankaracharya. There is no evidence that Maharishi 
> was *ever* considered qualified, or was *ever* con-
> sidered for the position, and there probably never 
> will be.  You'd just like to believe that it's true.
> 
> It's OVER. He wasn't qualified then, and he isn't
> qualified now. He went on and did other things with
> his life, some of them good, some of them not so
> good. His place in history (assuming he even has 
> one) will be based on those things that he actually
> did, not on anyone's fantasies about what he could
> have done.
> 
> To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
> technique of meditation




Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?

Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an experiential 
standpoint or an intellectual one.








> that was easy to learn
> and that could give people a taste of who they
> really are.  To his discredit, at a certain point
> he stopped promoting this technique, and in fact
> did almost everything in his power to make it
> unavailable except to an elite few.  Personally,
> I don't think the positivity of the former actions 
> outweighs the negativity of the latter actions,
> but that's up to the laws of karma to figure out, 
> not me.
> 
> All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
> and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
> rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
> to have a pretty rough ride.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > An elitist superstition codified
> > > is no less of an elitist superstition.
> > 
> > Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
> > based on the Jyotish chart...
> 
> I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
> 
> Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
> on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
> on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
> claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
> only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
> astrologer willing to say that the person is a
> "Brahman based on his chart."
> 
> But all of this is just silly TB stuff. Who on 
> earth really *gives a shit* whether Maharishi 
> could have become Shankaracharya, other than a 
> few TBs who would *like* to believe such fictions 
> because the fantasy makes them feel more important?
> 
> To me the most fascinating thing is that the people
> who do this -- the ones who try to construct some 
> fantasy world in which Maharishi could have or 
> should have been Shankaracharya -- are probably
> considered by Maharishi *himself* to be lower than 
> Shudras because they're not even Indian.  :-)
>


It's all almost as silly as naming some 5-year-old peasant boy the 
Dalai Lama because he can recognize a shoe that the recently-
departed Dalai Lama once wore...







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[FairfieldLife] Free Wi-Fi for SF

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk
Question: assuming San Franscisco gets set up for this Wi-Fi, would 
that mean that people with high speed internet via their cable 
companies will no longer need it?



---

EarthLink, Google to provide San Francisco Wi-FI
Thu Apr 6, 2006 2:16 PM ET 


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A San Francisco city commission has 
selected a joint bid by Web search leader Google Inc. and Internet 
service provider EarthLink

Inc. to provide free wireless access throughout the city.

The Department of Telecommunications and Information Services said 
late on Wednesday that the city will begin contract negotiations 
with EarthLink and Google to create a widely available wireless 
broadband network across San Francisco.

The EarthLink proposal edged out runner-up MetroFi and four other 
bidders, the city government said in a statement.

EarthLink and Google are working with wireless equipment suppliers 
Motorola Inc. and Tropos Networks to construct a mobile network for 
residents, businesses, municipal government and visitors.

Google has said it plans to offer free wireless access supported by 
advertising. EarthLink will offer services aimed at business users 
and to support local government activities.

EarthLink also has been selected to build a municipal Wi-Fi network 
for the city of Philadelphia, and more recently, for Milpitas, 
California, in Silicon Valley.

Donald Berryman, president of EarthLink's municipal networks unit 
said in a statement: "We look forward to taking the next step to 
negotiate a contract to build a municipal wireless broadband 
network."






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Turque]

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock



       I suppose, I belong to the Bob Brigante school.  King Tony is pure, but everything around him is a Joke.         By the way, have you heard of McCartney's number, "Rough Ride to Heaven".   Album, 'Flowers in the Dirt".  Maybe Maharishi might ride rough to eternity.??  TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:21:38 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes       I don't so much
 dislike Tony Nader as I am underwhelmed by him.  The level of respect I have for someone who allows himself to be dressed up in flowing robes and a crown and be called a king when he knows that he isn't one is about the same level of respect I have for someone who -- for *any* reason -- tries to justify the caste system.  In short, zero respect.  None.  Nada.  Rien.  Bupkus.  If you like 'King' Tony and can stomach all this crap, that's your business, not mine.  He's basically irrele-vant to my life, and I like things that way.
	
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
> >>> 
>  And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until
>  his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his
> >> chart
>  certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
name was
>  recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't.
> >>> 
> >>> What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
> >> highest
> >> quality.
> > 
> > Which girl told you that?
> 
> "Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles 
> sang "Girl"
> (Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.

You forget who you're trying to talk sense to,
Rick.  The paranoids have decided that they *know*
the nefarious intent of Vaj's use of the word
'girl,' and that's that.  Nothing you or anyone
can say can change what for them has become a 
reality.  This is their minds on cultthink.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 11:16 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
>>> 
 And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position until
 his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to his
>> chart
 certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family name was
 recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't.
>>> 
>>> What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
>>> 
>> 
>> Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest
>> quality.
> 
> Which girl told you that?

"Girl" doesn't necessarily mean underage. When the Beatles sang "Girl"
(Norwegian Wood) they weren't referring to a 14-year-old.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 2:51 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- Rick Archer wrote:
>> 
>> So this was a spoof? Reference?
> 
> Rick, I so hoped it was for real that I googled it to
> learn more, and came up dry. And note the April 1st
> reference at the end of the article. "The tour kicks off
> at Irving Plaza in New York City on April 1st, 2006."

There's no mention of them on http://www.irvingplaza.com/calendar/




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote:
>
> So this was a spoof? Reference?

Rick, I so hoped it was for real that I googled it to 
learn more, and came up dry. And note the April 1st 
reference at the end of the article. "The tour kicks off 
at Irving Plaza in New York City on April 1st, 2006."






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[FairfieldLife] Official Movement Statement on Diksha

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
Here is the official Movement statement on Diksha and anyone who is teaching
it.

³Maharishi¹s Movement does not endorse in any way any techniques or programs
other than those taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and anyone
who is suggesting otherwise is misleading the people. Maharishi teaches
Total Knowledge of Natural Law, bestowed by His Master Guru Dev, and offered
in its purity by Governors of the Age of Enlightenment without any mixing of
any unknown things. Maharishi offers the Total Knowledge of life to
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of 
> > stories right now:
> > 
> > Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
> > 
> > By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
> > 
> > The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus 
> > and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today.
> > Excerpts From the Gospel (pdf)
> > 
> > 
> > Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
> > 
> > By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
> > 
> > Scientists found evidence of limbs in the making in the 
> > 375-million-year-old fish's forward fins.
> 
> Not a good time right now for *anyone's* house of cards...

I've read a number of excerpts from the Gospel
of Judas as it's been translated, and it's very
interesting, to say the least. One thing that's
fascinating is that the language used leaves no
doubt whatsoever that Judas was a Gnostic. This
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of stories 
right now:
> 
> Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
> 
> By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
> 
> The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus 
> and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today.
> Excerpts From the Gospel (pdf)
> 
> 
> Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
> 
> By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
> 
> Scientists found evidence of limbs in the making in the 
> 375-million-year-old fish's forward fins.
>

Not a good time right now for *anyone's* house of cards...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> >  All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
> > > and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
> > > rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
> > > to have a pretty rough ride.
> > >
> > I'd rather be me too...because I'm me. That being said, the eM-
Dude 
> > has roasted his seeds a long time ago. It is evident in the 
sound of 
> > his voice, the sequences of words he uses, and his observations. 
> > Pretty unmistakable from my pov. eM-Dude is beyond the Bardo.
> 
> You are welcome to that opinion, but I do not
> share it.  I have never felt -- even when I was
> studying with him -- that Maharishi was 
> enlightened, and still don't.  I think he's
> gonna have a really bumpy ride.
>
That's cool with me too...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/6/06 2:23 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This is almost as good as Public Radio's April Fool's stunt, a story about
> positive operas.

So this was a spoof? Reference?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
This is almost as good as Public Radio's April Fool's stunt, a story about 
positive operas.

One Man's Sad Goal? Make Opera Positive

by Alice Furlaud 

All Things Considered, April 1, 2006 · On Cape Cod, an impresario seeks 
rewrites of the 
world's great tragic operas. He wants to give them a happy ending for 
performances by his 
children's opera company. Some might call it a fool's errand.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:

> > > You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
> > > you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
> > > "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
> > > versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
> > > to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
> > 
> > It isn't about "protecting" MMY and TM.  It's about
> > pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
> > True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
> > you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
> > trample the facts.
> > 
> > You didn't use the word "girl" by accident.
> 
> I didn't use the word 'girl' period.

You're right, it was your fellow-traveler pathological
True Non-Believer, Vaj.  My apologies.  Vaj didn't use
the word "girl" by accident.

You, on the other hand, attempted to defend Vaj's
deliberately misleading use of the term by 
attacking Lawson for having pointed it out.

The rest of what I said stands as written.  You
TNBs have *far* more of an investment in your
aggressively negative view of MMY than most TBs
have in their positive view--certainly more than
Lawson or I.

And for all your high-minded objections to the TMO's
purported lack of integrity, you don't give a good
goddamn about accuracy, objectivity, or fairness
yourselves.





> 
> You people are so paranoid and crazy you 
> can't even keep track of who you think is 
> persecuting you.  :-)  :-)  :-)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj

On Apr 6, 2006, at 1:49 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the
> > > > > > highest
> > > > > > quality.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which girl told you that?
> > > >
> > > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> > >
> > > Have you no sanity?
> > >
> > > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
> >
> > I got the joke, fool.
> >
> > Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls is
> > inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a
> > pedaphile.
>
> You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
> you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
> "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice
> versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard
> to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.

He needs to get in touch with the Yonified Field and let go of his  
Inner Bitch.



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[FairfieldLife] "Live Streaming Video" with David Spero

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer
Title: "Live Streaming Video" with David Spero





David asked me to post this here:

-- Forwarded Message
From: David Spero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:25:26 -0700
To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spamarrest.com>
Subject: "Live Streaming Video" with David Spero

Dear Friend,
 
We are announcing a new video program to interact with David Spero "live" over the internet. This service is currently set up for PC users (not for MAC users at this time) - with broadband service. 
 
Beginning Sunday, April 9, 2006 (4-5 p.m., Pacific Daylight Time - USA), David will offer one hour of "live streaming video" broadcast. (Occasionally, David will not offer this Sunday program, so please check the schedule page at http://www.davidspero.org for possible cancellations). 
 
How to Participate:
 
1) Visit http://www.CUWorld.com. There you may sign up for a free membership by creating a screen name and password and downloading the free CUWorld software.
 
2) Sunday afternoons, shortly before 4 p.m., Pacific Daylight Time, log into http://www.CUWorld.com . On the left side of the page, go to "Channels" and then click on "Business & Education."  On the screen that comes up, pull the slider down to "Education."  There you will find: "David Spero Enlightenment Gathering."  Click on that phrase and another screen will come up asking for a password.  The password is "awaken" - all written in lower case letters.  Shortly you should see David.
 
3) If you have a computer camera and activate it, your picture will appear on the chat room screen. If you have a computer microphone, you may speak to David.  If you do not have a microphone, you may type in questions or comments for David to consider addressing. (Please note that only 15 participants may be in this chat room simultaneously, so try again if it's full).
 
4) Please visit http://www/timeanddate/com/worldclock/ to align your time zone with ours, if you are an international visitor.
 
If you have any questions about this process, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Namaste,
 
David Spero
P.O. Box 4773
Palm Springs, CA 92263-4773
USA
Websites: http://www.davidspero.org, http://www/timeanddate/com/worldclock/, http://www.CUWorld.com
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> sparaig wrote:
> > You're being rather vague here Judy. 
> >
> Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess.
> 
> > Was this intentional...?
> >
> Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread - just
> another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a
> know-it-all. Anybody can see that Judy hasn't added one thing to the
> current thread. Obviously Judy's not an insider with any new
> information. Go figure.
>
What makes you think you are any different?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what 
> > it says about one who sells this secret knowledge.
> >
> If it's secret - how did you find out about it?
>

If you have read Puranic lore, various Ramayanas, you might begin to understand 
why it is 
considered secret. ...a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. 
Just look at the dribble that so much time is spent being spat over and over 
here.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  
wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
> the 
> > > > > > > highest
> > > > > > > quality.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which girl told you that?
> > > > > 
> > > > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> > > > 
> > > > Have you no sanity?
> > > > 
> > > > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
> > > 
> > > I got the joke, fool. 
> > > 
> > > Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls
> > > is inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he 
> > > was a pedaphile.
> > 
> > You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
> > you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
> > "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
> > versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
> > to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.
> 
> It isn't about "protecting" MMY and TM.  It's about
> pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
> True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
> you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
> trample the facts.
> 
> You didn't use the word "girl" by accident.

I didn't use the word 'girl' period.

You people are so paranoid and crazy you 
can't even keep track of who you think is 
persecuting you.  :-)  :-)  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of 
the 
> > > > > > highest
> > > > > > quality.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which girl told you that?
> > > > 
> > > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> > > 
> > > Have you no sanity?
> > > 
> > > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
> > 
> > I got the joke, fool. 
> > 
> > Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls
> > is inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he 
> > was a pedaphile.
> 
> You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
> you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
> "protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
> versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
> to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.

It isn't about "protecting" MMY and TM.  It's about
pointing out the near-pathological compulsion you
True Non-Believers have to make them look as bad as
you possibly can, no matter how badly you have to
trample the facts.

You didn't use the word "girl" by accident.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
> > > > > highest
> > > > > quality.
> > > > 
> > > > Which girl told you that?
> > > 
> > > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> > 
> > Have you no sanity?
> > 
> > Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
> 
> I got the joke, fool. 
> 
> Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls is 
> inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a 
> pedaphile.

You know, Lawson, if you had a life of your own
you probably wouldn't be this obsessive about
"protecting" Maharishi's and TM's image.  Or vice 
versa.  If you were a little more sane with regard 
to TM and Maharishi, you might actually have a life.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
> > > > highest
> > > > quality.
> > > 
> > > Which girl told you that?
> > 
> > So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?
> 
> Have you no sanity?
> 
> Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.
>

I got the joke, fool. 

Referring to the grown women he allegedly had sex with as girls is 
inaccurate, or implies they were pre-pubescent, and that he was a 
pedaphile.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

> 
> So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?

Speaking of which, 3 Department of Homeland Security officials have
now been arrested in the past few months on child sex charges. 
Amazingly one of them used to head up "Operation Predator", the Bush
admin's program to catch child molesters.  TAlk about the foxes
guarding the hen house.  No wonder nothing got done after Katrina -
DHS officials were busy at other matters.

http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBKPR9ONJE.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the 
> > > highest
> > > quality.
> > 
> > Which girl told you that?
> 
> So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?

Have you no sanity?

Review the sequence above and see if you get the joke.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:47 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > >
> > > > And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
until
> > > > his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position due to 
his  
> > chart
> > > > certainly gives him an out that admitting that his family 
name was
> > > > recognized as "unworthy" by the Jyotishi doesn't.
> > >
> > > What if he hadn't completed his Jedi training?
> > >
> >
> > Ihave it on good authority that his light sabre was of the highest
> > quality.
> 
> Which girl told you that?
>

So now he's a pedaphile also? Have you no shame?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes

2006-04-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > >  All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
> > > > and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
> > > > rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
> > > > to have a pretty rough ride.
> > > >
> > > I'd rather be me too...because I'm me. That being said, the eM-
> > > Dude 
> > > has roasted his seeds a long time ago. It is evident in the 
> > > sound of 
> > > his voice, the sequences of words he uses, and his 
> > > observations. 
> > > Pretty unmistakable from my pov. eM-Dude is beyond the Bardo.
> > 
> > You are welcome to that opinion, but I do not
> > share it.  I have never felt -- even when I was
> > studying with him -- that Maharishi was 
> > enlightened, and still don't.  I think he's
> > gonna have a really bumpy ride.
> 
> Far worse than anyone else you've studied with?

Most of the teachers I've worked with will
probably have a pretty smooth Bardo transit
and move on to nice places.  But if what you
are asking is whether I suspect that both 
Maharishi and Rama will have a tough time,
the answer is Absofuckinglutely.  








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