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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet
> and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically
> created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk
> into the early computer stores saying, "I want a VisiCalc."
> The clerks would say, "No, what you want is a computer,
> on which you can run VisiCalc."  And the customer would
> say, "Whatever.  Just sell me a VisiCalc."

Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC was yet to come. 
> 
> (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer --

a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having
left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with "this
bs" -- paraphrasing.

> stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp,

But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app
for the PC, Lotus "made" the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had
"made" Apple. Right time, right place.

However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other
factors were also in play.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet
> > and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically
> > created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk
> > into the early computer stores saying, "I want a VisiCalc."
> > The clerks would say, "No, what you want is a computer,
> > on which you can run VisiCalc."  And the customer would
> > say, "Whatever.  Just sell me a VisiCalc."
> 
> Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC 
> was yet to come. 

And when it did, VisiCalc was one of the first applications
available for it. Dan Bricklin had VisiCalc ported to the
Intel chip before the PC was even released.

> > (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer --
> 
> a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having
> left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with "this
> bs" -- paraphrasing.

I should have said, "...started by a *smart* TMer..."  :-)

> > stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp,
> 
> But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became 
> the killer app for the PC, Lotus "made" the PC (to a 
> degree) the way Visicalc had "made" Apple. Right time, 
> right place.

But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for
IBM PCs since 1981.  Lotus wasn't really widely available
until 1983.  But it was better, and won.

> However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But 
> other factors were also in play.

Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell*
his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned
him down.  Within a few years, he owned all the VisiCorp
intellectual property.  :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet
> > > and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically
> > > created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk
> > > into the early computer stores saying, "I want a VisiCalc."
> > > The clerks would say, "No, what you want is a computer,
> > > on which you can run VisiCalc."  And the customer would
> > > say, "Whatever.  Just sell me a VisiCalc."
> > 
> > Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC 
> > was yet to come. 
> 
> And when it did, VisiCalc was one of the first applications
> available for it. Dan Bricklin had VisiCalc ported to the
> Intel chip before the PC was even released.
>  
> > > (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer --
> > 
> > a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having
> > left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with "this
> > bs" -- paraphrasing.
> 
> I should have said, "...started by a *smart* TMer..."  :-)
> 
> > > stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp,
> > 
> > But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became 
> > the killer app for the PC, Lotus "made" the PC (to a 
> > degree) the way Visicalc had "made" Apple. Right time, 
> > right place.
> 
> But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for
> IBM PCs since 1981. 

That could be. But I remember 123 as being THE ss app for PCs. Maybe
visicacl was ported as 8-bit and 123 was 16-bit? Or something that
made 123 JUST PLAIN better for the PC.

>Lotus wasn't really widely available
> until 1983.  But it was better, and won.
> 
> > However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But 
> > other factors were also in play.
> 
> Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell*
> his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned
> him down.  

Are you sure? And not confusing that take with the fact that he did
sell a graphics add-on for visicalc to Visicalc. And used that money
as start-up capital for 123.  6-months prior to its release, 123 had
the BUZZ. The WSJ ran a front-page article on it. It had a bigback log
demand long before it was released -- due to its superiority. It would
have been silly to have tried to then sell it to VC given its market
positioning.

(I dropped my jaw upon reading the WSJ. "Holy shit, thats Mitch
Kapor!. Hey, I know this guy." Several friends recommended I write him
regarding a job. To be like employee #5. For some stupid reason, I
made excuses why that was a lame idea.  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became 
> > > the killer app for the PC, Lotus "made" the PC (to a 
> > > degree) the way Visicalc had "made" Apple. Right time, 
> > > right place.
> > 
> > But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for
> > IBM PCs since 1981. 
> 
> That could be. But I remember 123 as being THE ss app for PCs. Maybe
> visicacl was ported as 8-bit and 123 was 16-bit? Or something that
> made 123 JUST PLAIN better for the PC.
> 
> >Lotus wasn't really widely available
> > until 1983.  But it was better, and won.
> > 
> > > However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But 
> > > other factors were also in play.
> > 
> > Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell*
> > his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned
> > him down.  
> 
> Are you sure? And not confusing that take with the fact that he did
> sell a graphics add-on for visicalc to Visicalc. And used that money
> as start-up capital for 123.  6-months prior to its release, 123 had
> the BUZZ. The WSJ ran a front-page article on it. It had a bigback log
> demand long before it was released -- due to its superiority. It would
> have been silly to have tried to then sell it to VC given its market
> positioning.
> 

OK. you are correct. Kapor did try to sell intial 123 to visicalc. I
did not know that.

"VisiCalc became an almost instant success and provided many business
people with an incentive to purchase a personal computer or an H-P 85
or 87 calculator from Hewlett-Packard (cf., Jim Ho, 1999). About 1
million copies of the spreadsheet program were sold during VisiCalc's
product lifetime. Dan Bricklin has his version of the history of
Software Arts and VisiCalc on the web at
www.bricklin.com/history/sai.htm. Bricklin includes early ads and
reviews and pictures of the VisiCalc packaging and screenshots.

What came after VisiCalc?

The market for electronic spreadsheet software was growing rapidly in
the early 1980s and VisiCalc stakeholders were slow to respond to the
introduction of the IBM PC that used an Intel computer chip. Beginning
in September 1983, legal conflicts between VisiCorp and Software Arts
distracted the VisiCalc developers, Bricklin and Frankston. During
this period, Mitch Kapor developed Lotus and his spreadsheet program
quickly became the new industry spreadsheet standard.

What is Lotus 1-2-3?

Lotus 1-2-3 made it easier to use spreadsheets and it added integrated
charting, plotting and database capabilities. Lotus 1-2-3 established
spreadsheet software as a major data presentation package as well as a
complex calculation tool. Lotus was also the first spreadsheet vendor
to introduce naming cells, cell ranges and spreadsheet macros. Kapor
was the VisiCalc product manager at Personal Software for about six
months in 1980; he also designed and programmed Visiplot/Visitrend
which he sold to Personal Software (VisiCorp)for $1 million. Part of
that money along with funds from venture capitalist Ben Rosen were
used to start Lotus Development Corporation in 1982. Kapor cofounded
Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. Before he cofounded
Lotus, Kapor disclosed and offered Personal Software (VisiCorp) his
initial Lotus program. Supposedly VisiCorp executives declined the
offer because Lotus 1-2-3's functionality was "too limited". Lotus
1-2-3 is still one of the all-time best selling application software
packages in the world (see email from Mitch Kapor, 04/15/1999)."

http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread Patrick Gillam

> Kapor cofounded
> Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. 
> 
> http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html

Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch 
Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company 
as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread Robert Gimbel

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > Kapor cofounded
> > Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. 
> > 
> > http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html
> 
> Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch 
> Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company 
> as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM?
>
Biography of Mitch Kapor:

Mitchell Kapor, 55, is the President and Chair of the Open Source 
Applications Foundation (www.osafoundation.org), a non-profit 
organization he founded in 2001 to promote the development and 
acceptance of high-quality application software developed and 
distributed using open source methods and licenses. 

He is widely known as founder of Lotus Development Corporation and 
the designer of Lotus 1-2-3, the "killer application" which made the 
personal computer ubiquitous in the business world in the 1980's. He 
has been at the forefront of the information technology revolution 
for a generation as an entrepreneur, investor, social activist, and 
philanthropist.

Mr. Kapor was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1950 and attended public 
schools in Freeport, Long Island, where he graduated from high school 
in 1967. He received a B.A. from Yale College in 1971 and studied 
psychology, linguistics, and computer science as part of an 
interdisciplinary major in Cybernetics. At Yale, he was very involved 
with the college's commercial radio station, WYBC-FM, where he served 
as Music Director and Program Director. 

In the 1970's Mr. Kapor worked as a disc jockey at WHCN-FM, a 
commercial progressive rock station in Hartford, Connecticut; became 
a teacher of Transcendental Meditation and taught TM in Cambridge, 
Massachusetts, and Fairfield, Iowa; and worked as an entry-level 
computer programmer in Cambridge, Massachusetts. In 1978, he received 
a Master's degree in counseling psychology from Campus-Free College 
(later called Beacon College) in Boston and worked as a mental health 
counselor at New England Memorial Hospital in Stoneham, 
Massachusetts. He also attended the Sloan School of Management at 
MIT, taking a leave of absence one term short of graduation in 1980 
in order to take a job in a Silicon Valley start-up company.

In 1978 he bought an Apple II personal computer and worked as an 
independent software consultant; as the co-developer of Tiny Troll, 
the first graphics and statistics program for the Apple II; as a 
product manager for Personal Software Inc., the publisher of 
VisiCalc, the world's first electronic spreadsheet; and as the 
designer and programmer (in BASIC) of VisiPlot and VisiTrend, 
companion products to VisiCalc. 

He founded Lotus Development Corp. in 1982 and with Jonathan Sachs, 
who was responsible for technical architecture and implementation, 
created Lotus 1-2-3. He served as the President (later Chairman) and 
Chief Executive Officer of Lotus from 1982 to 1986 and as a Director 
until 1987. In 1983, Lotus' first year of operations, the company 
achieved revenues of $53,000,000 and had a successful public 
offering. In 1984 the company tripled in revenue to $156,000,000. The 
number of employees grew to over a thousand by 1985. 

After leaving executive management at Lotus, he spent 1986 and 1987 
completing work on his favorite product, Lotus Agenda, the first 
application for Personal Information Management (PIM), and as a 
visiting scientist at MIT's Center for Cognitive Science and the MIT 
Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. From 1987-1990 Mr. Kapor served 
as the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of ON Technology, a 
developer of software applications for workgroup computing. In 1990 
with John Perry Barlow, he co-founded the Electronic Frontier 
Foundation, and served as its chairman until 1994. The EFF is a non-
profit civil liberties organization working in the public interest to 
protect privacy, free expression, and access to public resources and 
information online, as well as to promote responsibility in new 
media. 

In 1992 and 1993 he chaired the Massachusetts Commission on Computer 
Technology and Law which was chartered to investigate and report on 
issues raised by the problem of computer crime in the state. He also 
served as a member of the Computer Science and Technology Board of 
the National Research Council and the National Information 
Infrastructure Advisory Council. From 1994-1996, he served as Adjunct 
Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Media Lab 
where he taught courses on software design, Democracy and the 
Internet, and digital community. 

For almost 20 years, Mr. Kapor has been an investor in high-
technology start-up companies (through Kapor Enterprises, Inc.) and 
an advisor to entrepreneurs. He was a founding investor of UUNET and 
Real Networks. He is also Chairman of the Board of Linden Research, 
founded by Philip Rosedale, former CTO of Real Networks, the creator 
of Second Life, the leading online v

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > Kapor cofounded
> > Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. 
> > 
> > http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html
> 
> Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch 
> Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company 
> as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM?

I would guess that. But then from what I observed, Mitch had a kind of
wicked witty sense of humor. His using the Lotus name might have been
meant as something "ironic" -- but still something that might appeal
to consumers.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread gullible fool

> Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch 
> Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company 
> as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via
> TM?

Could be, and 1-2-3 is Benson's Relaxation Response
and the first two advancements of it.  

--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Kapor cofounded
> > Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs.
> 
> > 
> > http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html
> 
> Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch 
> Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company 
> as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via
> TM?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread gullible fool

> a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that
> time -- having
> left his 6-month course in the middle of the night
> tired with "this
> bs" -- paraphrasing.

Mitch taught in the Cambridge Center and in the
short-lived Boston Center on swank Newbury Street, and
taught one of my residence courses in Natick, MA. One
of the Cambridge lady governors defended him years
after he left the movement by insisting Mitch had
unbearable headaches on the course and talked to MMY
about it and it was agreed he should leave the course.
He did knock TMers in an Esquire magazine article
years later, posing the question: if TMers are
supposed to be so enlightened, how come they're so
messed up?

Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp
was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor.
He had a few Cambridge Center sidhis working for him
back in 1978. I was one of them. 

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116166,pg,3,00.asp

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet
> > and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc --
> basically
> > created the entire PC revolution; people used to
> walk
> > into the early computer stores saying, "I want a
> VisiCalc."
> > The clerks would say, "No, what you want is a
> computer,
> > on which you can run VisiCalc."  And the customer
> would
> > say, "Whatever.  Just sell me a VisiCalc."
> 
> Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM)
> PC was yet to come. 
> > 
> > (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a
> TMer --
> 
> a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that
> time -- having
> left his 6-month course in the middle of the night
> tired with "this
> bs" -- paraphrasing.
> 
> > stole the entire spreadsheet market away from
> VisiCorp,
> 
> But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it
> became the killer app
> for the PC, Lotus "made" the PC (to a degree) the
> way Visicalc had
> "made" Apple. Right time, right place.
> 
> However, I agree with your examples as a broad
> analogy. But other
> factors were also in play.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that
> > time -- having
> > left his 6-month course in the middle of the night
> > tired with "this
> > bs" -- paraphrasing.
> 
> Mitch taught in the Cambridge Center and in the
> short-lived Boston Center on swank Newbury Street, and
> taught one of my residence courses in Natick, MA. One
> of the Cambridge lady governors defended him years
> after he left the movement by insisting Mitch had
> unbearable headaches on the course and talked to MMY
> about it and it was agreed he should leave the course.

I read an interview by Mitch and he was pretty explicit that he just
saw no point to the course and packed up his stuff and walked to the 
train station. I am not sure that translated into his being anti-tm.
just anti that course. I was on that course, and I was a bit
disappointed myself at times. The course seemed pretty looose and
experimental. 

And as I recall, his departure was pretty abrupt. Word came the next
morning that he had just up and left.  And I don't remember him
complaining about severe headaches when M. was there, in group
meetings etc. 

If it was a mutual agreement sort of thing, then it would seem it
would have been less abrupt, some good byes, a car to take him to the
train station, etc. Not a hasty, silent, late night exit.

> He did knock TMers in an Esquire magazine article
> years later, posing the question: if TMers are
> supposed to be so enlightened, how come they're so
> messed up?
> 
> Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp
> was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor.

Interesting. I did not know that.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Kapor cofounded
> > > Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html
> > 
> > Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch 
> > Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company 
> > as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM?
> 
> I would guess that. But then from what I observed, Mitch had a kind 
of
> wicked witty sense of humor. His using the Lotus name might have 
been
> meant as something "ironic" -- but still something that might appeal
> to consumers.
> 
> >
>

Vaguely I recall that Lotus was based on his Buddhist beliefs, but I 
may be wrong...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Kapor cofounded
> > > Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. 
> > > 
> > > http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html
> > 
> > Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch 
> > Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company 
> > as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM?
> 
> I would guess that. But then from what I observed, Mitch 
> had a kind of wicked witty sense of humor. His using the 
> Lotus name might have been meant as something "ironic" 
> -- but still something that might appeal
> to consumers.

In France the name of the leading brand of toilet
tissue is Lotus.  They must have been influenced
by Indian culture as well...possibly by going to
India and finding no toilet tissue available.  :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-14 Thread anon_couscous_ff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp
> was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor.
> He had a few Cambridge Center sidhis working for him
> back in 1978. I was one of them. 
>  
> http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116166,pg,3,00.asp

Did Dan Bricklin do any meditation?

Tell us some good early insider VisiCalc stories.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by 
Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org 
 
 http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org 
 
 Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based 
Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between 
science and medicine
 
 
 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 

 

 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 

 

 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

I mean if you take away our Hypochondria AND our Paranoia, whata we got? Leave 
us something..please! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote :

 The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org 
 
 http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org
 
 Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based 
Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between 
science and medicine


 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 

 

 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 

 

 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

"For the record" a lot of alternative medicine *is* very science based.
Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of
university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the
conservative mainstream "science based" medicine. But they're beginning
to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the
metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some
validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just
one medical approach to a problem.

On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was
invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically
a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came
into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably
not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used,
or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals
with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I
usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice.
Science-Based Medicine

image

Science-Based Medicine
Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the
relationship between science and medicine

View on www.sciencebasedm...

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a
number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the
whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't
need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from
the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that
so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or
mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain
remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and put any
attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on?

Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the
health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but
most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or
chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty
like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of
them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt
below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the
mention of chiropractic, but that's about it).

Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more
attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they
don't. They want a "quick cure." And they want it whether it comes
from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic
or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are --
get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding
the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're not willing
to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place,
so they expect someone else to do it for them.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10170738_10151974954190877_1522489666_n.jpg?oh=74692e375a35b42f8feb970483dd07a8&oe=546C092C&__gda__=1417619932_50e261c0c9ef425f537203bea722ab7c

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Who's the "peanut gallery" you are referring to? Are they promoting Peanut 
Cures. My esteemed colleague... George Washington Carver

 Before he invented the 300 uses for peanut butter, peanuts had to be 
discovered. His inventions of the many different crops gave people different 
kinds of food and created new markets for farmers. "Who Invented Peanut 
Butter?- George Washington Carver."



Dan, your supported in Peanut Butter Cores (Spread It On!)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "For the record" a lot of alternative medicine is very science based.  Only 
the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't.  There's a lot of university 
research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative 
mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're beginning to catch on and 
learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine 
that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity.  Just like one size shoe 
won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem.
 
 On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine
 
 
 
 
 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine


 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 
 
 
 
 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 
 
 
 
 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

According to Eddie Murphy, George Washington Carver almost developed a 
phonograph needle from a peanut, instead got peanut butter. 


On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:40 AM, danfriedman2002  
wrote:
  


  
Who's the "peanut gallery" you are referring to? Are they promoting Peanut 
Cures. My esteemed colleague...
George Washington Carver
Before he invented the 300 uses for peanut butter, peanuts had to be 
discovered. His inventions of the many different crops gave people 
different kinds of food and created new markets for farmers. "Who 
Invented Peanut Butter?- George Washington Carver."
Dan, your supported in Peanut Butter Cores (Spread It On!)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


"For the record" a lot of alternative
medicine is very science based.  Only the peanut gallery
seems to think it isn't.  There's a lot of university research out
there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative
mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're beginning to
catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the
metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use
have some validity.  Just like one size shoe won't fit us all
neither does just one medical approach to a problem.

On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:

 
>>The
term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory
sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is 
basically a quacks take on regular
medicine, although at the time the term came into use,
regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and
probably not very effective. Today the term
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based
medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with
various conflicts found between alternative therapies
(which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and
modern medical practice. Science-Based
Medicine
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>   Science-Based
Medicine 
>>Science-Based
Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies
in the relationship between science and
medicine 
>> 
>>View on www.sciencebasedm...  Preview by Yahoo  
>>
>> 
>>  
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
>>
>>
>>I've been
staying out of the Alternative Therapies
free-for-all for a number of reasons. First,
it's been done to death here before, so the
whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been
there, done that, don't need to do it again
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed
from the TMO early, I never got infected with
that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into 
fad diets or
mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and
have managed to remain remarkably healthy
*anyway*, never having to "go there" and put
any attention on my health. I've been lucky
enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what
was there to focus on or obsess on? 
>>
>>
>>
>>Third, I
currently write articles for all sorts of
people in the health care industry. A few of
them probably work for Big Pharma, but most
are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative
practice or some mainstream specialty like
cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I
don't think any of them would disagree with
the comments one of them put on the T-shirt
below (some MDs might get a
bit of a hitch in their panties over the
mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 
>>
>>
>>
>>Most of them
would LOVE it if their patients would just pay
more attention to their diets and to getting
enough exercise. But they don't. They want a
"quick cure." And they want it whether it
comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic
sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or
an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers --
whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior
role because people go to them demanding the
"quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!"
They're not willing to do the work every day
that keeps them healthy in the first place, so
they expect someone else to do it for them.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

I follow the sage prescriptions of Dr Irwin Corey.

He was able to developed a phonograph needle from a peanut but, regrettably, 
the 8-Track Tape caught him unaware.

He recycled his brilliant invention in to, what is today known, as The Nut Cure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to Eddie Murphy, George Washington Carver almost developed a 
phonograph needle from a peanut, instead got peanut butter.
 


 On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:40 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
 
 

   Who's the "peanut gallery" you are referring to? Are they promoting Peanut 
Cures. My esteemed colleague...
 George Washington Carver

 Before he invented the 300 uses for peanut butter, peanuts had to be 
discovered. His inventions of the many different crops gave people different 
kinds of food and created new markets for farmers. "Who Invented Peanut 
Butter?- George Washington Carver."



Dan, your supported in Peanut Butter Cores (Spread It On!)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "For the record" a lot of alternative medicine is very science based.  Only 
the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't.  There's a lot of university 
research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative 
mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're beginning to catch on and 
learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine 
that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity.  Just like one size shoe 
won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem.
 
 On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine
 
 
 http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/
 
 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine


 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mailto:turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 
 
 
 
 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 
 
 
 
 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health Nuts (if the 
name fits, I wear it) or farmstands.

But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects of modern 
medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat only organic foods and try 
to avoid all packaged food. It just makes common sense. Today we went to this 
place to get some bulk grains and organic vegetables:
 
 
 
 Whole Foods, San Antonio
 >
 
 On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine
 
 
 
 
 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine


 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 
 
 
 
 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 
 
 
 
 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

On 8/26/2014 11:15 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
wrote:

"For the record" a lot of alternative medicine *is* very science
based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a
lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented
by the conservative mainstream "science based" medicine. But they're
beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of
the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use
have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither
does just one medical approach to a problem.

>
One of my favorite recipes:

Ingredients:

1. Whole grain organic brown rice.
2. Spring or filtered water.

Directions:

In a stainless steel pot with a copper clad bottom, add 1 cup of washed
rice and 2 cups of water. Cover. Bring to a boil. Cook on low flame
until done. Optional: Serve in a bowl. Season to taste with San-J Shoyu
or Tamari. Set a timer /if needed/ or meditate for twenty minutes.

*Important notes on eating:

*DO NOT REMOVE THE LID BEFORE THE RICE IS COOKED AND TEST IT WITH A
FORK. DO NOT EAT THE RICE RAW WITHOUT COOKING FIRST. DO NOT EAT THE RICE
ON A FULL STOMACH. DO NOT WATCH TV WHILE EATING OR RECLINING ON A SOFA.
FOR BEST EFFECT, TRY TO SIT UP EITHER IN A CHAIR AND AT A TABLE . EAT
THE RICE SLOWLY WHILE GAZING LOVINGLY AT YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER (if you
have one), OTHERWISE, YOU MAY REPEAT "Nyum nyum nyum" IN A MODERATE TONE
OF VOICE WHILE FEELING YOUR BODY AS A WHOLE. DO NOT VISUALIZE YOUR MOUTH
AS JUST A CUP CAKE HOLE. BE AWARE OF EATING. ENJOY.

On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

image

Science-Based Medicine
Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the
relationship between science and medicine

View on www.sciencebasedm...

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a
number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the
whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't
need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed
from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria
that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or
mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain
remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and put any
attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on?

Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the
health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but
most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or
chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream
specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think
any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the
T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties
over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was Dr. 
Triguna's thing. 

 I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India.  I thought he called it 
pretty well.
 

 He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines.
 

 I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically.
 

 Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "For the record" a lot of alternative medicine is very science based.  Only 
the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't.  There's a lot of university 
research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative 
mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're beginning to catch on and 
learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine 
that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity.  Just like one size shoe 
won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem.
 
 On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine
 
 
 
 
 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine


 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 
 
 
 
 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 
 
 
 
 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


That kind of diagnosis is generally done by feeling the subdosha pulses.

On 08/26/2014 06:24 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. 
That was Dr. Triguna's thing.



I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India.  I thought he 
called it pretty well.


He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines.

I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically.

Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse 
diagnosis.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"For the record" a lot of alternative medicine *is* very science 
based.  Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't.  There's a 
lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented 
by the conservative mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're 
beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of 
the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use 
have some validity.  Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither 
does just one medical approach to a problem.


On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense,
was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is
basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time
the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty
primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'.
Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts
found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the
alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice.
Science-Based Medicine 




image 


Science-Based Medicine 
Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the
relationship between science and medicine

View on www.sciencebasedm... 

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all
for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here
before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been
there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second,
possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers
exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of
that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy
*anyway*, never having to "go there" and put any attention on my
health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on?

Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the
health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma,
but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine
or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream
specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't
think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them
put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in
their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about
it).

Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more
attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they
don't. They want a "quick cure." And they want it whether it
comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a
Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers --
whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because
people go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure
me, cure me!" They're not willing to do the work every day that
keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone
else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-26 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

IN fact, Triguna's son took my pulse a few months after *I* had Hepatitus (got
it from MY son who got it at daycare) and commented I had "heat in my liver
system."

By the way, pulse diagnosis is part of the Maharish School curriculum. All the
students practice it every day.

And I believe it is taught in as part of the pre-med curriculum at MUM, but
not sure.

Interesting thing I just found out. Prodence Farrow, Mia Farrow's sister, has
a PhD in Sanskrit from Berkley, and her PhD thesis was doing a translation and
analysis of the 5 or 6 main Ayurvedic texts on pulse diagnosis. It's for sale
through Amazon.com under her married name, Prudence Bruns:

Nadivijnana: The Crest-Jewel of Ayurveda: A Translation of Six Central Texts
and an Examination of the Sources, Influence and Development of Indian
Pulse-Diagnosis
http://www.amazon.com/Nadivijnana-Crest-Jewel-Translation-Examination-Pulse-Diagnosis/dp/3639306732/ref=la_B004ETKH74_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409113390&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Nadivijnana-Crest-Jewel-Translation-Examination-Pulse-Diagnosis/dp/3639306732/ref=la_B004ETKH74_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409113390&sr=1-1

Nadivijnana: The Crest-Jewel of Ayurveda: A Translation ...
http://www.amazon.com/Nadivijnana-Crest-Jewel-Translation-Examination-Pulse-Diagnosis/dp/3639306732/ref=la_B004ETKH74_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409113390&sr=1-1
Nadivijnana: The Crest-Jewel of Ayurveda: A Translation of Six Central Texts
and an Examination of the Sources, Influence and Development of Indian P...

View on www.amazon...
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NOT quite what we heard from Maharishi, some of it.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was
Dr. Triguna's thing.

I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India. I thought he called it
pretty well.

He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines.

I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically.

Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

"For the record" a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only
the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university
research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative
mainstream "science based" medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and
learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine
that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe
won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem.

On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:

The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical
practice. Science-Based Medicine

Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine

View on www.sciencebasedm...
Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :

I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on?

Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine.
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria


 I took the Pulse Diagnosis Coure from MUM online. Boring.

But, perhaps you are right, my mind might have been "a little jumpy". There are 
worse things to have.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was 
Dr. Triguna's thing. 

 I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India.  I thought he called it 
pretty well.
 

 He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines.
 

 I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically.
 

 Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "For the record" a lot of alternative medicine is very science based.  Only 
the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't.  There's a lot of university 
research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative 
mainstream "science based" medicine.  But they're beginning to catch on and 
learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine 
that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity.  Just like one size shoe 
won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem.
 
 On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine
 
 
 
 
 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine


 
 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 
 
 
 
 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 
 
 
 
 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

2014-08-27 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

 Rich,

You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned me on to 
a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the Teachings of Maharishi: 
A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, the Italics button is stuck]), 
I'll explain myself further.

This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from Whole 
Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks (technical term 
used by farmers who know their shit/manure). They show you the difference. 
Organic apples are not unblemished, organic peaches are not unblemished, 
organic,,,get it?

Thanks for the book recommendation. I may need to pull away from this exciting 
time on ffl when the postman delivers.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 8/26/2014 6:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

 But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health Nuts (if the 
name fits, I wear it) or farmstands.

 But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift.

 >
 We are not big eaters anymore, so it only costs us a few dollars to buy some 
vegetables and some grains at the Whole Foods Market. It's not like we have a 
big family to feed anymore. Sometimes we eat out and that cost more. There is a 
farmer's market a few blocks away from where we live. We went to this place to 
eat some raw food:

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :

 Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects of modern 
medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat only organic foods and try 
to avoid all packaged food. It just makes common sense. Today we went to this 
place to get some bulk grains and organic vegetables:

 Whole Foods, San Antonio
 >

 On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine

 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine

 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux 
outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again 
vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got 
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I 
never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have 
managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to "go there" and 
put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay 
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? 

 Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care 
industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just 
everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some 
alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. 
And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one 
of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their 
panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). 

 Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to 
their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a "quick 
cure." And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a 
homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care 
providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people 
go to them demanding the "quick cure" and shouting "Cure me, cure me!" They're 
not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first 
place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

On 8/27/2014 8:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

Rich,

You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned 
me on to a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the 
Teachings of Maharishi: A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, 
the Italics button is stuck]), I'll explain myself further.

This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from 
Whole Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks 
(technical term used by farmers who know their shit/manure).

>
Our local Whole Foods Market gets it's organic produce from the farmers 
market just around the corner or from a farm nearby. The best produce 
and most satisfying is the produce you grow in your own back yard. What 
most people don't realize when they purchase food is the /stress and 
heat factor/. All processed food is stressed to a certain extent and/or 
heated. This includes the process and the packaging itself and the 
transportation from the farm. Produce sometimes comes from as far away 
as Mexico and California.

>
They show you the difference. Organic apples are not unblemished, 
organic peaches are not unblemished, organic,,,get it?

>
The ideal would be to procure all or most of your food without using a 
harvesting device. Since this is close to impossible for most urban 
dwellers we have to be more flexible and make choices. Locally picked 
fruit and vegetables harvested by hand in your local area would be the 
best choice and imported and processed foods last. The best and most 
satisfying food we ever obtained were apples picked directly from the 
ground which had fallen the same day from fruit trees grown, but even 
then we had to drive to the orchard in a wheeled vehicle.

>

Thanks for the book recommendation. I may need to pull away from this 
exciting time on ffl when the postman delivers.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 8/26/2014 6:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health
Nuts (if the name fits, I wear it) or farmstands.

But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift.

>
We are not big eaters anymore, so it only costs us a few dollars
to buy some vegetables and some grains at the Whole Foods Market.
It's not like we have a big family to feed anymore. Sometimes we
eat out and that cost more. There is a farmer's market a few
blocks away from where we live. We went to this place to eat some
raw food:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects
of modern medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat
only organic foods and try to avoid all packaged food. It just
makes common sense. Today we went to this place to get some bulk
grains and organic vegetables:

/Whole Foods, San Antonio/

>

On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense,
was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is
basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the
time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty
primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'.
Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts
found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the
alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice.
Science-Based Medicine 

image 

Science-Based Medicine 
Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in
the relationship between science and medicine

View on www.sciencebasedm... 

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all
for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here
before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been
there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second,
possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got
infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term
TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or
any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy
*anyway*, never having to "go there" and put any attention on my
health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay
healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on?

Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 8/27/2014 8:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

 Rich,

 You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned me on 
to a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the Teachings of 
Maharishi: A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, the Italics button is 
stuck]), I'll explain myself further.

 This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from Whole 
Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks (technical term 
used by farmers who know their shit/manure).

 >Our local Hole Foods get's its 'organic produce' from Mexico, Chile et al. 
 >Then they claim it is "Organic" because it has been "Crtified Organic" in the 
 >growing country. The growers can only sell "Organic Produce", so they print a 
 >lot of organic in dside stickers. I travel in Latin America and find it 
 >laughable, if you saw the growing conditions.

Then...The Hole Foods Market becomes a magnet for the Nannys, most of whom miss 
their country so come to congregate. They are given a week's shopping list from 
their pretentious employer, and have no idea what these food items are. They 
weave down the isles, strollers plus wagons in tow. Because they would be found 
out otherwise, they are more likely to drop the child than the especial food 
item they are retrieving for the list.

Entertaining though.
 Our local Whole Foods Market gets it's organic produce from the farmers market 
just around the corner or from a farm nearby. The best produce and most 
satisfying is the produce you grow in your own back yard. What most people 
don't realize when they purchase food is the stress and heat factor. All 
processed food is stressed to a certain extent and/or heated. This includes the 
process and the packaging itself and the transportation from the farm. Produce 
sometimes comes from as far away as Mexico and California.
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 They show you the difference. Organic apples are not unblemished, organic 
peaches are not unblemished, organic,,,get it?

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 The ideal would be to procure all or most of your food without using a 
harvesting device. Since this is close to impossible for most urban dwellers we 
have to be more flexible and make choices. Locally picked fruit and vegetables 
harvested by hand in your local area would be the best choice and imported and 
processed foods last. The best and most satisfying food we ever obtained were 
apples picked directly from the ground which had fallen the same day from fruit 
trees grown, but even then we had to drive to the orchard in a wheeled vehicle. 
 >

 Thanks for the book recommendation. I may need to pull away from this exciting 
time on ffl when the postman delivers.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :

 On 8/26/2014 6:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

 But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health Nuts (if the 
name fits, I wear it) or farmstands.

 But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift.

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 We are not big eaters anymore, so it only costs us a few dollars to buy some 
vegetables and some grains at the Whole Foods Market. It's not like we have a 
big family to feed anymore. Sometimes we eat out and that cost more. There is a 
farmer's market a few blocks away from where we live. We went to this place to 
eat some raw food:

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :

 Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects of modern 
medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat only organic foods and try 
to avoid all packaged food. It just makes common sense. Today we went to this 
place to get some bulk grains and organic vegetables:

 Whole Foods, San Antonio
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 On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented 
by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on 
regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine 
was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 
'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an 
interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative 
therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical 
practice. Science-Based Medicine

 Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and 
controversies in the relationship between science and medicine

 View on www.sciencebasedm... 
 Preview by Yahoo 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :

 I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number 
of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux

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