Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.7.3 compiled but tablet greyed out in Input Devices

[Patrick Horgan]

On 08/31/2011 08:31 AM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote:
> OS: Ubuntu 11.04
> Arch: AMD64
> Desktop Manager: Gnome 3
>
>
> I recently blew away my Ubuntu 10.10 and installed 11.04.  
> Not liking Unity, I figured I would try Gnome 3.  After 
> getting Gnome 3 set up, I downloaded babl,gegl, and gimp 
> tarballs and proceeded to install all sorts of dependencies
> (required and many optional ones) via apt-get packages. 
One thing you might check, since I had the same symptoms after the same
upgrade, is that

xserver-xorg-input-wacom

is installed. (sudo apt-get install xerver-xorg-input-wacom).  For some
reason it was lost when I upgraded from 10 to 11.04 and the install
fixed the problem instantly for me.  (Well not instantly, I had to
restart X.)

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.7.3 compiled but tablet greyed out in Input Devices

[Patrick Horgan]

On 08/31/2011 08:31 AM, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote:
>
> Once I finally got GIMP compiled, I can see my tablet 
> in the input devices, but they are greyed out along with 
> all of the below: 
> SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
> Virtual core XTEST Pointer
> Wacom Bamboo Fun 6x8 cursor
> Wacom Bamboo Fun 6x8 eraser
> Wacom Bamboo Fun 6x8 pad
> Wacom Bamboo Fun 6x8 stylus
>
>
> The ONLY thing that is NOT greyed out is Core Pointer.  
>
>
I suspect this is a wacom driver problem of some sort, but the folks
that can really help are on a different mailing list wacom-discuss.  If
you follow the link below you can sign up to it.

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxwacom-discuss

They are HUGELY friendly and responsive.  They'll ask for some information, 
maybe then for some more information and pretty quickly they will diagnose the 
problem.  You'll be happy!

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom weirdness

[Patrick Horgan]

On 07/31/2011 02:45 PM, Mike Williams wrote:
> You might also want to try browsing the archives of the wacom list,
> then maybe join that list and ask for help there.
>
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxwacom-discuss
I'm on that list, and indeed, asking for help there lead to me finding
that when I upgraded to Natty, xserver-xorg-input-wacom didn't upgrade
and was lost.  I just had to reinstall it and everything started working.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom weirdness

[Patrick Horgan]

On 07/29/2011 01:25 PM, Mikael Ståldal wrote:
> On 2011-07-29 09:58, Fred J wrote:
>> I'm running Mint 11 and Gimp 2.6.11. (But this problem was the same on
>> Ubuntu 11.04, but not on 10.10).
>>
>> If I change the Wacom input device config (Edit > Pref) from "stylus >
>> disabled" to "stylus > screen", then the stylus uses pressure and size
>> and opacity (via brush dynamics) nicely.
>>
>> Well, sort of. The stylus becomes less responsive, for some reason. For
>> example, if I draw a series of consecutive lines, every third or fourth
>> one will not appear, as if the stylus has stopped working or something.
> I Use Ubuntu 11.04 and Gimp 2.6.11 and I don't experience these problems 
> with my Wacom Bamboo One, it works fine with pressure.
Mine was fine too.  I'm asking for help to figure out how to debug why
that changed.

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[Gimp-user] My wacom tablet devices are grayed out in the extended input dialog

[Patrick Horgan]

Using GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.7.3 on:

Linux dell 2.6.38-11-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 15 19:29:37 UTC 2011
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux which
I built from the git trunk.

My Wacom devices,
Wacom BambooFun 4x5
Wacom BambooFun 4x5 cursor
Wacom BambooFun 4x5 eraser
Wacom BambooFun 4x5 pad
Wacom BambooFun 4x5 stylus

show up on the extended devices list, but I can't select them because
they're grayed out.  So I can use the tablet, but it acts as a mouse.  I
can't find any way to fix this.  Does anyone have a clue?  Anyone know
how I can figure it out?

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Noise reduction

[Patrick Horgan]

On 07/21/2011 03:14 PM, JPL wrote:
> Le 21/07/2011 23:51, Mikael Ståldal a écrit :
>> Is there any better noise reduction filter for GIMP than the built in
>> Wavelet Denoise? It does remove the noise, but also make the image a bit
>> blurry.
>>
>> Wavelet Denoise in ufraw has the same problem.
>>
>> I know it is possible to do it better since my new camera, Canon
>> PowerShot S95, does it better when saving to JPEG. But the camera
>> doesn't do noise reduction when saving to RAW.
> There are several denoising scripts here : registry.gimp.org/
> I like Unsharp Mask 2 0.12 which gives me very fine results (I use only 
> the first five settings).
In your camera it's able to do a black shot to get the average noise of
your sensors.  That gives it a HUGE advantage.  It can just subtract
that from the image.  Some of the sensor wells are always more noisy
than others.  You can do the same if you know a bit about graphics, take
a few shots with your lens cap on in raw mode, get them on to your
computer, make a noise mask with averaged values from each pixel, then
subtract that from all your raw images.  Surely there's someone's
software that can do that already given the black images.  Anyone?

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp in Unity

[Patrick Horgan]

  
  
On 07/08/2011 04:46 AM, Jerome wrote:
I'm not sure if Gimp developers
are able to assist, but running Gimp in Unity seems to be a
bit problematic at times.  Because of the global menu, focus
on the correct toolbox / area is needed.  Furthermore, Unity
/ Gimp seems to apply the focusing a bit unintelligently. 
For example, if I move to another workspace and return to
the Gimp workspace, the focus is no longer on the main
window, but rather on the toolbox.

Thoughts?
  
Unity is not ready for prime time yet?  It's really lacking in a lot
of areas, and the UI experience is quite horrid.

Patrick

  

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Re: [Gimp-user] Do you use a tablet with Gimp?

[Patrick Horgan]

  
  
On 06/29/2011 07:15 AM, John Culleton wrote:

  
  
  Do you use a tablet with
Gimp? If so, which one?

Yes.  Wacom Bamboo Fun Model CTE: 450

Patrick
  

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[Gimp-user] Wacom isn't recognized?

[Patrick Horgan]

I've used my tablet with GIMP trunk for a long time, but today I plugged
in the tablet for the first time in awhile, started GIMP, and it's only
recognized as a core pointer.  The wacom devices show up in the list of
input devices under Edit/Input Devices, but are grayed out. 

GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.7.3
Linux dell 2.6.38-9-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 28 15:25:15 UTC 2011
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

Anyone have any idea of how I can proceed to debug this?

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] Explicit manipulation of Alpha Channel.

[Patrick Horgan]

On 04/20/2011 11:20 AM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
> ... elision by patrick ...
> More specifically, on the Layers menu, select "Add Layer Mask", with full 
> opacity (white), then click on the mask icon from the Layers toolbox (it will 
> appear next to the source layer) and start painting on it like you would any 
> grayscale surface.  (You can toggle the "Show Layer Mask" option any time you 
> want to see exactly what the mask layer by itself looks like.)  You can keep 
> it this way for working, or when finished, select "Apply Layer Mask" to 
> transfer the layer mask into the source layer's alpha channel.
>
What a beautiful elegant description.  Clear and complete.  Nice writing.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error on the bash command line

[Patrick Horgan]

  
  
On 04/16/2011 04:36 AM, houghi wrote:

  On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 06:15:52PM -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote:

  
The command and output is:
houghi@penne : gimp --verbose --batch-interpreter plug-in-script-fu-eval -i -b "(script-fu-fuzzy-border \"file.jpg\" '(0 0 0) 50 0 16 FALSE 1 FALSE)" -b '(gimp-quit 0)'

This command:

gimp -i -c -d -b '(batch_fuzzy_border "./alyssa01.jpg" "pink" 40 TRUE 10
TRUE 50) ' -b '(gimp-quit 0)'

just worked for me with the attached versions of batchfuzzy.scm and
fuzzyborder.scm using GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.7.2.  I
made some changes here and there to fix errors in the scripts and to get
rid of calling deprecated methods.  This may make it not work on earlier
versions.  YMMV.  I'm sorry that no one bothered to look at the problem
and led you on wild goose chases.  This group is usually more helpful
than that.

I should add that if it doesn't work on your version, you can ask and I'll get
it working on whatever version you have.  You might have fun browsing the
procedures yourself in the script-fu console.  If you need help figuring that
out, let me know.  Where I put ./alyssa01.jpg you could also put "./*.jpg" if
you would rather batch process a lot of files at once with the same arguments.

  
  
I have the fuzzyborder working, but unfortunatly only by copy and pasting.
I have looked at the code and have absolutely no idea on how to get it
working for slide.scm or drop-shadow.scm


houghi,

  I assume from your previous emails that you understand fuzzyborder
and its arguments.   Unfortunately, it's written to work with an
image in gimp, not a file on the harddisk.  So batchfuzzy.scm was
written to bridge the gap.  What it does, is to accept all the
arguments that you want to pass on to fuzzyborder and additionally,
the list of files that you want to apply them to.  Then, one by one,
it loads the files into gimp, applies fuzzy-border to them, and then
saves the result back out under the original filename.  Below is the
script that does this, and below it I'll go line by line and explain
how it does what it does.  If you get lost in the line by line
description below, feel free to refer back up to here so you can see
the whole thing.

(define (batch_fuzzy_border  pattern color size blurt gran
  shadowt shadowp)
    (let* ((filelist (cadr (file-glob pattern 1
      (while (not (null? filelist))
    (let* ((filename (car filelist))
   (image (car (gimp-file-load RUN-NONINTERACTIVE
  filename filename)))
   (drawable (car (gimp-image-get-active-layer image)))
      )
      (script-fu-fuzzy-border image drawable color size blurt
  gran shadowt shadowp FALSE TRUE)
      (set! drawable (car (gimp-image-get-active-layer image)))
      (gimp-file-save RUN-NONINTERACTIVE image drawable filename
  filename)
      (gimp-image-delete image)
    )
    (set! filelist (cdr filelist))
      )
    )
  )

We are making a procedure.  The syntax for making a procedure this
way is: 
(define (name formal_parameters) body)

You see below, that the name of our procedure is batch_fuzzy_border,
and the formal_parameters are pattern, color, size, blurt, gran,
shadowt, and shadowp then a right parenthesis closes the formal
parameters, and everything up to the last ) is the body of the
procedure.

(define (batch_fuzzy_border  pattern color size blurt gran
  shadowt shadowp)
Remember that we called gimp like this:
gimp -i -c -d -b '(batch_fuzzy_border "./alyssa01.jpg" "pink" 40 TRUE 10 TRUE 50) ' -b '(gimp-quit 0)'

Look at the part that calls batch_fuzzy_border:
(batch_fuzzy_border "./alyssa01.jpg" "pink" 40 TRUE 10 TRUE 50)
You can see that each of the arguments matches up with something
from the formal parameter list.
pattern will be set to "./alyssa01.jpg"
  color will be set to "pink"
  size is set to 40
  blurt is set to TRUE
  gran is set to 10
  shadowt is set to TRUE
  shadowp is set to 50
You always have to make sure that the arguments you pass to a
procedure match what the procedure is expecting.

Ok, now we're in the body of the procedure batch_fuzzy_border.  The
first thing we're going to do is to make local variables that are
only visible within a certain area.  The syntax for doing this is
(let* ((var1 exp1) 
   (var2 exp2) 
   .
   .
   . 
   (varn expn))
  body)
Each of the variables is set to the value of its _expression_,
v

Re: [Gimp-user] Error on the bash command line

[Patrick Horgan]

On 04/06/2011 10:51 PM, houghi wrote:
> ... elision by patrick ...
>   
> As these were scripts that were provided by my distro, I assume they are
> somewhat 'standard' for GIMP. To know there are errors in it, is perhaps
> more importand to solve then me getting errors.
> Perhaps a good time to overhaul all the ones that come standard with GIMP.

I opened a bug and attached a patch to fix the minor problems in
fuzzyborder.scm.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646993

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error on the bash command line

[Patrick Horgan]

  
  
On 04/06/2011 10:51 PM, houghi wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at
  06:15:52PM -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote:
  >> gimp -i -c -d -b '(batch_fuzzy_border "./alyssa01.jpg"
  "pink" 40 TRUE 10
  >> TRUE 50) ' -b '(gimp-quit 0)'
  >>
  >> just worked for me with the attached versions of
  batchfuzzy.scm and
  >> fuzzyborder.scm using GNU Image Manipulation Program
  version 2.7.2. 
  >
  > Just tried it and it works in 2.6.11 as well.
  >
  >> I
  >> made some changes here and there to fix errors in the
  scripts and to get
  >> rid of calling deprecated methods. 
  >
  > As these were scripts that were provided by my distro, I
  assume they are
  > somewhat 'standard' for GIMP. To know there are errors in it,
  is perhaps
  > more importand to solve then me getting errors.
  > Perhaps a good time to overhaul all the ones that come
  standard with GIMP.
  >
  > As it was coming with GIMP the last thing I was thinking
  about was
  > problems with the script.
Yeah, batchfuzzy.scm does NOT come with gimp but fuzzyborder.scm
does, and it has two places where inImage should be theImage (lines
90 and 99), and the line:

    (gimp-selection-layer-alpha theLayer)

should be:

  (gimp-image-select-item theImage CHANNEL-OP-REPLACE theLayer)

to get rid of a deprecated function warning.  Other than that it's
fine.

Patrick



  

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error on the bash command line

[Patrick Horgan]

  
  
On 04/06/2011 06:00 PM, Patrick Horgan wrote:

  On 04/06/2011 12:09 PM, houghi wrote:

  
...elision by patrick...
I am still looking for a solution. :-(
I looked at http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/ and that worked. So
it must be something to do with either the parameters or the way I place
them on the command line.

I looked at /usr/share/gimp/2.0/scripts/fuzzyborder.scm and there I saw:
(define (script-fu-fuzzy-border inImage
inLayer
inColor
inSize
inBlur
inGranu
inShadow
inShadWeight
inCopy
inFlatten
)


The command and output is:
houghi@penne : gimp --verbose --batch-interpreter plug-in-script-fu-eval -i -b "(script-fu-fuzzy-border \"file.jpg\" '(0 0 0) 50 0 16 FALSE 1 FALSE)" -b '(gimp-quit 0)'

  
  This command:

gimp -i -c -d -b '(batch_fuzzy_border "./alyssa01.jpg" "pink" 40 TRUE 10
TRUE 50) ' -b '(gimp-quit 0)'

just worked for me with the attached versions of batchfuzzy.scm and
fuzzyborder.scm using GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.7.2.  I
made some changes here and there to fix errors in the scripts and to get
rid of calling deprecated methods.  This may make it not work on earlier
versions.  YMMV.  I'm sorry that no one bothered to look at the problem
and led you on wild goose chases.  This group is usually more helpful
than that.


I should add that if it doesn't work on your version, you can ask
and I'll get it working on whatever version you have.  You might
have fun browsing the procedures yourself in the script-fu console. 
If you need help figuring that out, let me know.  Where I put
./alyssa01.jpg you could also put "./*.jpg" if you would rather
batch process a lot of files at once with the same arguments.

  
Patrick


  

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error on the bash command line

[Patrick Horgan]

On 04/06/2011 12:09 PM, houghi wrote:
> ...elision by patrick...
> I am still looking for a solution. :-(
> I looked at http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/ and that worked. So
> it must be something to do with either the parameters or the way I place
> them on the command line.
>
> I looked at /usr/share/gimp/2.0/scripts/fuzzyborder.scm and there I saw:
> (define (script-fu-fuzzy-border inImage
> inLayer
> inColor
> inSize
> inBlur
> inGranu
> inShadow
> inShadWeight
> inCopy
> inFlatten
> )
>
>
> The command and output is:
> houghi@penne : gimp --verbose --batch-interpreter plug-in-script-fu-eval -i 
> -b "(script-fu-fuzzy-border \"file.jpg\" '(0 0 0) 50 0 16 FALSE 1 FALSE)" -b 
> '(gimp-quit 0)'
This command:

gimp -i -c -d -b '(batch_fuzzy_border "./alyssa01.jpg" "pink" 40 TRUE 10
TRUE 50) ' -b '(gimp-quit 0)'

just worked for me with the attached versions of batchfuzzy.scm and
fuzzyborder.scm using GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.7.2.  I
made some changes here and there to fix errors in the scripts and to get
rid of calling deprecated methods.  This may make it not work on earlier
versions.  YMMV.  I'm sorry that no one bothered to look at the problem
and led you on wild goose chases.  This group is usually more helpful
than that.

Patrick

;
; fuzzy-border
;
; Do a cool fade to a given colour at the border of an image (optional shadow)
; Will make image RGB if it isn't already.
;
; Chris Gutteridge (c...@ecs.soton.ac.uk)
; At ECS Dept, University of Southampton, England.

; This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or
; (at your option) any later version.
;
; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
; GNU General Public License for more details.
;
; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
; along with this program.  If not, see .

; Define the function:

(define (script-fu-fuzzy-border inImage
inLayer
inColor
inSize
inBlur
inGranu
inShadow
inShadWeight
inCopy
inFlatten
)

  (let (
   (theWidth (car (gimp-image-width inImage)))
   (theHeight (car (gimp-image-height inImage)))
   (theImage 0)
   (theLayer 0)
   )

(gimp-context-push)

(gimp-selection-all inImage)
(set! theImage (if (= inCopy TRUE)
 (car (gimp-image-duplicate inImage))
 inImage
   )
)
(if (> (car (gimp-drawable-type inLayer)) 1)
(gimp-image-convert-rgb theImage)
)

(set! theLayer (car (gimp-layer-new theImage
theWidth
theHeight
RGBA-IMAGE
"layer 1"
100
NORMAL-MODE)))

(gimp-image-insert-layer theImage theLayer 0 0)


(gimp-edit-clear theLayer)
(chris-color-edge theImage theLayer inColor inSize)

(gimp-layer-scale theLayer
  (/ theWidth inGranu)
  (/ theHeight inGranu)
  TRUE)

(plug-in-spread RUN-NONINTERACTIVE
theImage
theLayer
(/ inSize inGranu)
(/ inSize inGranu))
(chris-color-edge theImage theLayer inColor 1)
(gimp-layer-scale theLayer theWidth theHeight TRUE)

(gimp-image-select-item theImage 2 theLayer)
(gimp-selection-invert theImage)
(gimp-edit-clear theLayer)
(gimp-selection-invert theImage)
(gimp-edit-clear theLayer)
(gimp-context-set-background inColor)
(gimp-edit-fill theLayer BACKGROUND-FILL)
(gimp-selection-none theImage)
(chris-color-edge theImage theLayer inColor 1)

(if (= inBlur TRUE)
(plug-in-gauss-rle RUN-NONINTERACTIVE
			   theImage theLayer inSize TRUE TRUE)
)
(if (= inShadow TRUE)
(begin
  (gimp-selection-none theImage)
  (gimp-image-insert-layer theImage 
(car (gimp-layer-copy theLayer FALSE)) 0 -1)
  (gimp-layer-scale theLay

Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP

[Patrick Horgan]

On 03/02/2011 09:07 AM, Stefan Maerz wrote:
>
> My computer doesn't have a problem with it unless I'm going very fast
> and have the spacing at its lowest.
>
> I don't know, but I don't use brushes that fast. And if I did, it
> would be hard to control the brush (quickly responding or not).
That's just because you don't do gestural drawing with large brushes (or 
perhaps at all).  Others do, and it's a valid use case.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP

[Patrick Horgan]

On 03/02/2011 03:43 AM, Carol Spears wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:02:30AM -0800, Carol Spears wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:30:30AM +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote:
>>> What ways or tips will help speed up GIMP and maximise performance?
>>> Obviously, loads of RAM is a start, I guess.  And a decent graphics card
>>> (for rendering), yes?
>>>
>>> What other tips or tricks does anyone have?
>> brush outline can slow painting down even on fast computers.  gimp-1.2 on
>> my 486 painted much much faster than gimp-2.4 - gimp-2.6 on this dual
>> processor giga-something ram thing.  brush outlines are the culprit there.
>>
> i was going to append this to tell how to "turn off the brush outlines" but
> instead, i am going to ask you to do something.
>
> can you tell me how long it takes you to determine how to turn off the brush
> outlines?  it will be interesting to see what the "gui experts" man hours has
> gotten for us.
Yay!  I found it!  I kept looking for it everywhere that had something 
to do with brushes.  It's under Image Windows!  How unintuitive.  It's 
took me about 5 minutes after already knowing it existed.  I don't 
normally use large brushes being more of a painterly guy, (I often use a 
3 or 5 or 7 pixel brush), so I haven't run into this slowdown.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Cannot Drag/Drop jpgs

[Patrick Horgan]

On 02/28/2011 08:38 AM, joedaddy wrote:
> Hello all. I'm new to using GIMP. I was able to drag/drop 1 photo into the 
> canvas but unable to drag anymore into same canvas. I have several layers 
> with 1 photo, border effects, and type. but, cannot drag any additional jpg 
> photos into project. Is there something that I am missing here?
>
Yes.  If it's what I'm thinking of, it happens to all of us when 
learning GIMP.  The image is of a certain size.  If you created the 
image by dragging a picture onto GIMP, then it's the size of that 
picture.  If you drag something to a place outside of that image size it 
won't show up.  (Same thing happens with any layer, if you drag 
something outside the layer boundary if won't be visible.)  The fix is 
to make the image big enough for all the things you want to show.  You 
can do that from the image menu under canvas size.  Then you'll be able 
to drag the layer created when you dragged the second pic into the new 
area.  (I'm assuming it did work when you dragged the picture, but the 
new image is behind the old image and you can't see it.)  If it's behind 
the first one, you'll not see it, but if you select its layer, click on 
the move tool and click and drag on the image you'll drag it out from 
under.  Alternatively, you can raise it's layer in the layer dialog so 
you can see what you're doing.  You do that by clicking on the layer 
label (the label will be the same as the name of the image you dragged 
onto GIMP), and then clicking the up arrow at the bottom of the layer 
dialog.

If I'm wrong, and that isn't the problem you were having, perhaps more 
explanation would help?

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Image map- highlight on mouse-over?

[Patrick Horgan]

On 02/14/2011 03:05 AM, . wrote:
>
> On 02/13/2011 08:43 PM, Patrick Horgan wrote:
>> On 02/11/2011 12:47 AM, Greg Chapman wrote:
>>> Hi Peace,
>>>
>>> On 11 Feb 11 03:58 Owen   said:
>>>> I think you need 2 images, one normal, the other activated on "mouse
>>>> over"
>>>>
>>>> Not part of the image map function.
>>>>
>>>> Just create your highlight image and activate it with the mouse over
>>> Owen is right. An HTML image map only causes links to appear on a
>>> single image. You do need additional images, or a way of causing a
>>> single image to appear in different locations to produce a "highlight"
>>> when the pointer moves over the image.
>> Here's a useful tutorial I did on rollovers once, it's the same idea.
>>
>> http://dbp-consulting.com/rollovers.html
>>
>> The alternate images I did were all done with gimp.
>>
>> Patrick
> That's pretty neat.  The fun part will be figuring it out for my page.
You might want to look at http://www.netzgesta.de/mapper/ too.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Image map- highlight on mouse-over?

[Patrick Horgan]

On 02/11/2011 12:47 AM, Greg Chapman wrote:
> Hi Peace,
>
> On 11 Feb 11 03:58 Owen  said:
>> I think you need 2 images, one normal, the other activated on "mouse
>> over"
>>
>> Not part of the image map function.
>>
>> Just create your highlight image and activate it with the mouse over
> Owen is right. An HTML image map only causes links to appear on a
> single image. You do need additional images, or a way of causing a
> single image to appear in different locations to produce a "highlight"
> when the pointer moves over the image.
Here's a useful tutorial I did on rollovers once, it's the same idea.

http://dbp-consulting.com/rollovers.html

The alternate images I did were all done with gimp.

Patrick


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Re: [Gimp-user] opening binary flat files

[Patrick Horgan]

On 02/01/2011 01:24 PM, GSR - FR wrote:
> ... elision by patrick ...
> Ooops, right... yet another reminder of why I hate interfaces that
> hide and forget you opened the "|>". I just noticed the selector now,
> different than the filtering one.
If the data has an extension of .data on the file name is it 
automatically detected?

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] First time user

[Patrick Horgan]

On 01/31/2011 07:56 PM, ErnieD wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a first time user. The first problem that I encountered was after I 
> outlined an image in order to remove the background around it, i could not 
> disconnect from the outline tool (scissors). How do I do the disconnect?
>
> Thanks,
>
>Ernie
>
Select a different tool.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Substitute for Hue/Saturation adjustment layer SOLVED

[Patrick Horgan]

On 01/31/2011 03:00 PM, Rob Antonishen wrote:
> Try this-
>
> After you have a rough sketch, create a new layer filled with Hue: 200
> Saturation: 60 Lightness 75 below your sketch layer and set your
> sketch layer blend mode to screen.  Your image will now look like it
> is drawn in non photo blue.
>
> Create a new white layer on top and set the mode to multiply and
> sketch over using black.
>
> When happy with that layer, change its mode to screen and move the
> blue layer below it.
>
> Repeat and rinse.

Ok.  Here's something I came up with different than what you said, but 
inspired by what you said, and probably what you meant.  The net effect 
is exactly what I was looking for, i.e. all intermediated layers are 
blue, and the farther down they are, the paler they are.  Additionally, 
it works exactly like the HSV adjustment layer in PS.

0)  Create a layer filled with white for the background so you can see 
what you're doing.
1) Create a first drawing layer above it filled with transparency and 
draw into it in black.  Leave it's layer mode normal.
2) Add a new layer _above_ it and fill with with the color with HSV 200, 
60, 75*.  Set it's layer mode to screen.  It doesn't matter if it has 
alpha or not.  It will work just like a PS HSV adjustment layer!
3) Add a new layer with a transparent background above it and leave its 
mode as normal.  Draw into it with black.  The first layer below shows 
up as blue, and the current drawing is black.  Using the blue below, 
refine your drawing.
4) Don't touch any of those layers.  Don't change modes on any of them.  
Duplicate your blue layer and move the copy of it above your current 
drawing layer.  The current drawing will turn blue, and the original 
layer will stay blue, but get fainter.
5) Add a new top layer above all the layers, filled with transparency.  
Its mode stays normal.  Begin drawing into it with black and refining 
your drawing.  The layer below is blue and a bit faded, and the layer 
below that is still visible, but faded a bit more.  You can use them as 
references and create the new version.

Continue as desired.  When you feel like you have a finished product, 
then delete all the intermediate versions between it and the white layer 
on the bottom.

What do you think?  Lets you go from rough sketch to wireframe to 
contour outline to finalized wireframe step by step all digitally.  If 
you want to keep one or more of the intermediate steps save the layer 
before deleting it.

All it takes is after each drawing layer add a new layer above it with 
layer mode set to Screen and filled with a HSV of 200, 60, 75.  You end 
up with every other layer a drawing layer in normal mode, black 
foreground, and alpha, and the intervening layers all with a layer mode 
of Screen and filled with blue.

draw n
 blue n-1
draw n-1
 .
 .
 .
 blue 3
draw 3
 blue 2
draw 2
 blue 1
draw 1
Bottom background layer filled with white so you can see everything.

So bottom line is, everything your read about an HSV adjustment layer in 
PS, you can do in GIMP by filling a layer with the HSV value setting its 
layer mode to Screen and exactly as in PS, putting the layer above 
whatever you want to effect.

Caveats:  I'm making this up and your mileage may vary.

Patrick

* You fill the new layer by clicking on the black square on the pallet.  
The Change Foreground Color dialog pops up and set the H to 200, the S 
to 60, and the V to 75 and then click Ok.  On the toolbar window the 
black square turns blue.  The move your mouse over it and click and hold 
down the left button and drag to main drawing screen (make sure your new 
layer is selected in the layer dialog so you fill the right one!  You 
can also do it with a drawing tablet by using your stylus to touch the 
color square and without lifting it drag the color to the drawing 
surface and then release.  Afterward, click (mouse) or touch (stylus) 
the little tiny white and black squares below the foreground and 
background colors to get rid of the blue and go back to black.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Substitute for Hue/Saturation adjustment layer

[Patrick Horgan]

On 01/31/2011 03:00 PM, Rob Antonishen wrote:
> Try this-
>
> After you have a rough sketch, create a new layer filled with Hue: 200
> Saturation: 60 Lightness 75 below your sketch layer and set your
> sketch layer blend mode to screen.  Your image will now look like it
> is drawn in non photo blue.
I must be misunderstanding you.  When you say to fill the layer with 
Hue: 200, Saturation: 60, Lightness: 75, I must not be doing what you 
want me to do.  The closest I can figure to fill the layer is to fill it 
with a color HSV 200, 60, 75.  Then if I make the layer blend mode of my 
sketch above it screen, my sketch disappears, although of course it 
comes back after I set the mode back to normal.
> Create a new white layer on top and set the mode to multiply and
> sketch over using black.
>
> When happy with that layer, change its mode to screen and move the
> blue layer below it.
>
> Repeat and rinse.
>
> -Rob A>
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Patrick Horgan  wrote:
>> I'm reading "The DC Comics Guide to DIGITALLY DRAWING Comics" by Freddie
>> E Williams II.  In it he talks about a workflow where he does a rough
>> sketch, puts an adjustment layer over it with Hue: 200 Saturation: 60
>> Lightness+75, that makes the underlying rough sketch look like a
>> non-photo blue pencil sketch.  Then he refines the drawing, pops another
>> adjustment layer over it, and continues the process until he's happy.
>> Older versions get progressively pushed into the background in a
>> non-destructive way, although when he gets to the version he's happy
>> with he can delete all of the intermediate ones.  They're just steps in
>> the process.
>>
>> Now GIMP doesn't have adjustment layers and although they're a
>> frequently requested thing, unless someone with time and expertise steps
>> up to do the development, the current team has their hands full with
>> other priorities for quite some time.  The move to gegl is more
>> important, and I'm sure would make this easier to implement.  So, I'm
>> not holding my breath.
>>
>> What I'm looking for is a substitute.  Preferably a non-destructive
>> one.  I can turn down the opacity of layers gradually as they recede
>> into the drawing past, but that's annoying.  Alternatively, there's the
>> Hue Saturation Lightness tool, but I have no idea how to reproduce those
>> settings.  The numbers on that tool (assuming the master is chosen) have
>> no relationship to the numbers used in PS.
>>
>> The Colorize tool seems more hopeful, you can enter those numbers into
>> the tool and it looks similar to what you want.  Of course it doesn't
>> affect any but that layer, so stacking them to progressively decrease
>> the visibility of the underlying older versions doesn't help.  You'd
>> still have to go into each of the older layers and manually decrease
>> their opacity.
>>
>> Anyone have any better ideas?
>>
>> Patrick
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[Gimp-user] Substitute for Hue/Saturation adjustment layer

[Patrick Horgan]

I'm reading "The DC Comics Guide to DIGITALLY DRAWING Comics" by Freddie 
E Williams II.  In it he talks about a workflow where he does a rough 
sketch, puts an adjustment layer over it with Hue: 200 Saturation: 60 
Lightness+75, that makes the underlying rough sketch look like a 
non-photo blue pencil sketch.  Then he refines the drawing, pops another 
adjustment layer over it, and continues the process until he's happy.  
Older versions get progressively pushed into the background in a 
non-destructive way, although when he gets to the version he's happy 
with he can delete all of the intermediate ones.  They're just steps in 
the process.

Now GIMP doesn't have adjustment layers and although they're a 
frequently requested thing, unless someone with time and expertise steps 
up to do the development, the current team has their hands full with 
other priorities for quite some time.  The move to gegl is more 
important, and I'm sure would make this easier to implement.  So, I'm 
not holding my breath.

What I'm looking for is a substitute.  Preferably a non-destructive 
one.  I can turn down the opacity of layers gradually as they recede 
into the drawing past, but that's annoying.  Alternatively, there's the 
Hue Saturation Lightness tool, but I have no idea how to reproduce those 
settings.  The numbers on that tool (assuming the master is chosen) have 
no relationship to the numbers used in PS.

The Colorize tool seems more hopeful, you can enter those numbers into 
the tool and it looks similar to what you want.  Of course it doesn't 
affect any but that layer, so stacking them to progressively decrease 
the visibility of the underlying older versions doesn't help.  You'd 
still have to go into each of the older layers and manually decrease 
their opacity.

Anyone have any better ideas?

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] Lost pressure in 2.7

[Patrick Horgan]

On 01/12/2011 02:02 AM, d_rylander wrote:
>> On 12/18/2010 01:23 PM, d_rylander wrote:
>>> I recently upgraded to Gimp 2.7 from 2.6.x and I now find that I don't have 
>>> pressure sensitivity in it anymore.
> ...
>> Still works with a Bamboo tablet on my just updated/rebuilt 2.7.2...
> I downgraded to 2.6.8 and now I got pressure sensitivity again.
Did you check in the extended input device configuration that the Bamboo 
stylus is set to screen or window?  I seem to remember that I lost 
pressure sensitivity and it was set to disabled and that caused it to be 
treated like a mouse with no sensitivity.  Setting it back to Screen 
(which I like), fixed the problem.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Why doesn't "drawable area" follow the dimensions of a layer?

[Patrick Horgan]

On 12/15/2010 09:21 PM, Lambertus wrote:
>> Hello David and thank you for the quick reply!
>> Now, using the word "Canvas" rather than "Drawable area" makes things a lot
>> more sane immediately, and your
>> explanation is accurate and acceptable.
> Maybe this is the same situation I have.
>
> I have a picture (picture 1).
> I expand the size of the canvas to make room to copy another picture beside 
> the original (picture 2).
> Picture 2 is copied from an open GIMP image and pasted into the enlarged 
> canvas area of picture 1.
> Picture 2 is invisible if it dragged outside the bounds of picture 1 into an 
> open area of the canvas.
That's because even though the canvas got bigger, the layer didn't.  If 
something is pasted into a layer and all or part of it is outside the 
boundaries of the layer it's not visible and if you anchor the paste, 
the part outside of the layer will be lost forever.  We say that it 
clips to the layer.  (If this happens type Z a time or two right 
away to undo.  You can make the layer bigger in the layer menu, and then 
you won't drag things into invisibility.  New layers will default to a 
bigger canvas size.  It all seems completely obvious to me now, but I 
remember losing things like this and being really frustrated and not 
knowing what to do.

So we agree that it's REALLY confusing and frustrating, so why DON'T 
layers resize with the canvas?  The reason that the layer/layers don't 
automatically resize to the canvas size is because there's no way for 
GIMP to know if you want to do that.  You can have a lot of layers of 
different sizes all over the canvas overlapping or not. Imagine a late 
Mondrian work. Some layers might be canvas size, but some might be 
tiny.  Some layers might be opaque, and some more or less transparent.  
That might be an important part of your design.  If you then realize 
your canvas needs to be a little bigger and resize it, and then find 
that all of the layers resized to the new size of the canvas, well that 
would be horrifying.

If that's what you want though, you can make any layer go to the layer 
size by first making sure the layer is active in the layers dialog, then 
going into the layer menu and selecting the "layer to image size" menu 
item.  You also can just right click the layer in the layers dialog and 
select the "layer to image size" menu item.

Patrick
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[Gimp-user] Someone asked about a gel effect

[Patrick Horgan]

It occurred to me that if you copied the layer 
containing an image, turned the copy's saturation all 
the way down and the lightness up using the hue 
saturation tool, made sure the copy was above the 
original layer then turned the opacity of the copy 
layer down it might look like a gel effect and it did!  
You could use a layer mask to restrict the effect to 
only some areas or maybe paint in the splashes of white 
or gray here or there for more highlights.  Maybe use a 
gradient or two to play with it.  Play with the modes 
of the copy layer.  Addition seems to enhance the gel 
effect.  Multiply doesn't look like gel but is 
dramatic.  Burn is a really cool effect.  Soft light 
works great with this too.  Difference looks like a 
color negative.  Value gives a strange op art effect.  
I like being playful.

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] Adding glyphs to font?

[Patrick Horgan]

On 11/16/2010 06:18 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On 11/17/10, sophie wrote:
>> I am totally stumped! I am making an invitation and trying to ad glyphs to a
>> font (burgues). Anyone have any clue how to do this?
> http://fontforge.sourceforge.net or some other font editor.
Fontforge is easy to use.  On ubuntu there's a 
fontforge package. sudo apt-get install fontforge.  
Once you're running it, go into the help menu and click 
on overview.  It will bring up a page in your browser 
with an overview and tutorial.  I made a font that 
looked like a 7x5 big pixel old time display;)  Silly, 
yet fun.  Anyone can have it if they want.

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] [BULK] Circular Graphics

[Patrick Horgan]

  On 10/17/2010 01:23 AM, Maureen wrote:
> Thanks, Rich. That worked great. But now I'm having trouble placing this 
> circular logo onto my graphic. I copied it to the clipboard then pasted it as 
> a separate layer in my graphic, then sized the layer to the image size, but I 
> can't get the text to show on the top of the graphic. I must be missing a 
> very basic step but can't seem to figure it out. Any help would be 
> appreciated.
> Thanks.
Dumb question, but did you make sure the layer with the 
text is above the other layer?  Also check the layer 
mode of the one with the text.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Circular Graphics

[Patrick Horgan]

On 10/10/2010 12:25 PM, Maureen wrote:
> This is probably old hat for most of you, but I just can't figure out how to 
> do this. I have a very nice rectangular jpg graphic that I want to change 
> into a circle to be used for a circular sticker application. I created the 
> graphic in PSE 8 and have saved the original psd file with the individual 
> layers, so I can start from this file instead of the jpg file if it is 
> easier. I am using Windows 7. Any help you can give me would be appreciated.
>
> Maureen
>
>
If you want to "cut" a circle out of the middle of it:

1. make sure there is alpha in the image so we can save a square image 
that looks like a circle
2. make a circular selection with the ellipse selection tool (hold shift 
to ensure a circle)
3. invert the selection, (press ctrl+i) this selects everything but the 
circle so we can delete it
4. delete (just press the delete key)
5. invert the selction (ctrl+i again), this selects the circle again
6. crop to selection (Image->Crop to Selection)
7. canvas size to selection (Image->Fit Canvas to Selection)
7b. optionally now, depending on your application, you can feather the 
selection to make a more gradual edge.  You can play with the number of 
pixels and use ctrl+z to undo in between.
8. Save it/Export it with a new name.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom tablet

[Patrick Horgan]

On 10/11/2010 07:22 AM, gerard82 wrote:
> ... elision by patrick ...
> Thanks for your reply Patrick.
> I'm on Gentoo Linux which forces you to learn the inner workings of Linux.
> I know about the lag of Linux but there's a lot of source code available that 
> you can compile yourself.Double fun.
> I am purely an amateur so speed in producing results is no concern.
> Your post has made me doubt what would be best.
> The cheapest Intuos (which I think has tilt) comes at € 220 (6x4 ins).
>
You might check places like ebay.  Every day people buy tablets and then 
end up never using them and selling them practically new for a great 
price.  The new Intuos at 6.3" x 3.9" active area sells for $229 US.  It 
has +-60 degrees of tilt.  5080 lines per inch (as do all of the Intuos 
of any size).  2048 pressure sensitivity levels.  It's pretty good!  On 
Amazon, a used one is as low as $149 right now, and a used medium is as 
low as $249.  If you'd be happy with the Intuos 3, ebay has a bunch of 
new ones really cheap.  Wouldn't it be cool to have a big cintiq?  $1999 
US.  There's plans on the web to make your own from recycled parts. 
http://www.bongofish.co.uk/wacom/wacom_pt1.html or 
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/maximum_pc_builds_a_multitouch_surface_computer

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Re: [Gimp-user] Layer masks: how do you memorize which color means opaque?

[Patrick Horgan]

On 10/10/2010 04:21 AM, yahvuu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i'm curious how other people regard layer masks. In particular, which
> memory aids exist to remember when to use black and when to use white.
>
I think of it like illumination.  Black is no illumination, can't see a 
thing so it's transparent, white is fully illuminated, the thing shows 
up clearly, so opaque.  (Really I think of it in rgb with black 00 
means nothing is there and white ff is fully turned on, but that 
translates to illumination for those who don't think quite so 
technically as I.)


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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom tablet

[Patrick Horgan]

On 10/09/2010 09:56 AM, Ofnuts wrote:
>On 09/10/2010 15:36, gerard82 wrote:
>
>> I want to buy a Wacom tablet for use in Gimp.
>> I browsed the web and noticed they come in different sizes.
>> Is size important and why?
>>  
> Not *that* important... bigger tablets mean wider moves, but bigger
> tablets are also more accurate.
Again, please be careful with this.  It's the resolution that sets this 
not the size.  A small tablet can be high resolution.  A small pro-level 
expensive tablet WILL have higher resolution than a large inexpensive 
non-pro tablet.  Size doesn't tell you anything about resolution.  It's 
like the difference between a small hi-def tv and a larger regular-def 
tv.  The hi-def still has higher resolution, i.e. dots/in.
> Personally I like my Bamboo One, it's
> small enough to be slipped in the PC bag when needed.
>
>
>> Also some come with "touch" is it of any use in Gimp?
>>  
> Yes... many Gimp tools are pressure-sensitive with a tablet, and will
> give you the choice of how to apply the pressure (opacity, width...).
> The "pro" tablets have a more accurate pressure scale (4096 values, vs
> 256 for an entry-level Bamboo).
>
That's not touch.  Touch is the ability to use without a pen or stylus.  
On the more inexpensive tablets Wacom lets you choose Pen and Touch, Pen 
only, or Touch only.  Pen is required, for drawing, touch might be a 
cool addition.

Pressure sensitivity is required for drawing.
> Another cool feature of most Wacom tablets is that both stylus tips are
> active, so you can switch tools by reversing the stylus (one isn't
> pressure sensitive and is usually asigned to the Eraser tool.
>
That IS cool.  I often reach over and click different tools anyway 
'cause it's faster then flipping the stylus in my hand.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom tablet

[Patrick Horgan]

On 10/09/2010 07:27 AM, Norman Silverstone wrote:
>
>> I want to buy a Wacom tablet for use in Gimp.
>> I browsed the web and noticed they come in different sizes.
>> Is size important and why?
>> Also some come with "touch" is it of any use in Gimp?
>>  
> I use the Wacom Bamboo for editing photographic images and am very
> satisfied with what it does. To be able to have a variable touch is very
> useful especially for dodging and burning.
>
I think you mean pressure sensitivity here.   A tablet without it would 
be useless for drawing, imho.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom tablet

[Patrick Horgan]

On 10/09/2010 07:07 AM, Johan Vromans wrote:
> gerard82  writes:
>
>
>> I browsed the web and noticed they come in different sizes.
>> Is size important and why?
>>  
> Size is important since it determines how accurately you can draw.
No, that's not true, the precision determines that a small high 
precision tablet would beat a large low precision tablet.
> And
> beware! The size of the tablet is misleading, it is the size of the
> active area that matters. For example, the Intuos 4M is 370 mm x 254 mm
> but the active area is about 1/4th of this size.
>
That's true.  You need to look at the active area.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom tablet

[Patrick Horgan]

On 10/09/2010 06:36 AM, gerard82 wrote:
> I want to buy a Wacom tablet for use in Gimp.
> I browsed the web and noticed they come in different sizes.
> Is size important and why?
> Also some come with "touch" is it of any use in Gimp?
> Gerard.
>
Just my 2 cents here.  Someone pointed out to me that if I didn't do 
large gestural drawing a 4x6 would do me fine and save me a lot of 
money.  They were right.  I've never missed a larger one.  What I'm 
envious of is tilt.  My Bamboo Fun doesn't have tilt, and gimp is able 
to respond to tilt.  It would make some things more expressive, imagine 
tilting your brush and laying more of it on a canvas then straightening 
it up during a stroke for example.

Touch could be cool.  Touch is where you don't need the stylus, but (I 
am imagining since I don't have it) the precision is less.  Imagine 
reaching out to a canvas with your finger and smudging something.  That 
would be cool.

You didn't say what kind of system you use.  New Wacom tablets are 
supported right away on Mac and Windows, but lag a little bit (could be 
a few days to a few months depending) on Linux.  Any other questions 
feel free to ask.

Patrick
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[Gimp-user] Can't unfilter my brushes on 2.7.1

[Patrick Horgan]

My brushes dialog shows Round Fuzzy (101 x 101) and at the
bottom of it is a drop down with "fuzzy, round," in it.  I only get the
fuzzy round brushes.  I tried clearing out the fuzzy, round and
refreshing, but it fills itself in and I only get fuzzy round brushes. 
I can also get one of round or fuzzy, but can't get neither round nor
fuzzy, i.e. unfiltered.  Am I missing brushes?   Help!

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Re: [Gimp-user] A question that has never been asked....

[Patrick Horgan]

On 04/03/2010 09:35 AM, Bob Smits wrote:
>
> I know it's short for Gnu Image Manipulation Program, and that no one intended
> any offense, but until the name is changed this discussion will recur - at
> least once every several months. It's up to you.
>
You are so out of touch.  Names like this are part of the culture.  If 
you don't get how cool it is, then you are not part of the target 
audience.  By this I don't mean in any way to offend you, just to say 
that to some of us it's obvious how cool this name is, and if to you 
it's not, then please understand that there is something you're not 
getting.  Don't judge our whole culture.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Beginner: Selected tool has no effect

[Patrick Horgan]

Owen wrote:

  
I've already done a couple of things with Gimp that made me think I
was
getting it, but now I need to use some brush tools such as Smudge. So
I click
the Smudge icon, put the cursor on the image, press the mouse key and
drag,
and it doesn't do anything. In other image editors I've used, at that
point
the smudge function would work. I'm  having this problem with a couple
of
other Gimp tools. What am I missing? Thanks.

  
  


Guess you have read http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/gimp-tool-smudge.html

Do you have the layers dialog open and so confirm you are working on
the image, and not another layer

Also make sure you are in rgb mode, Image->Image->Mode->RGB
  

A common beginner mistake is to have a selection active that doesn't
include the area you are trying to smudge, or to have a layer selected
that doesn't have the area you're trying to smudge. 
A will get rid of all selections and if you
have the layers dialog open you can click on the right layer.

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Re: [Gimp-user] changing colour

[Patrick Horgan]

Norman Silverstone wrote:
> I have a test image which is monochromatic (black/white), is a grid
> pattern and shades from black on the left to white on the right which I
> have been using for some Unsharp Mask experiments. In order to extend
> these experiments I would like to change the test image to a coloured
> monochromatic image (red/white, green/white and blue/white). Is it
> possible to change this test image to a coloured image or will I have to
> hunt around to either find or make new images?
>   
Anything's possible.  It's probably even easy.  If we could see the 
image we wouldn't be guessing though.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

[Patrick Horgan]

Nathan Lane wrote:
I have not hear that. Why would "professional developers"
ridicule the body of computer scientists who work hard to make it
possible for them to develop more easily. W3C is the only reason that
HTML works on every browser on every operating system. It's the reason
we have CSS. Without the W3C _javascript_ would still be useless. They
also develop the standards for the Internet in general. It's too bad
that some developers ridicule they very root reason they have a job or
a hobby. W3Schools is a W3C website.

No they aren't.  Isn't this funny.  The conversation starts below, then
goes farther down, then for some reason you yanked it to the top.  Top
posting is confusing, eh?  Where did you ever hear that w3schools had
anything to do with w3c?  Neither of them say that.  If you want to see
w3c stuff, go to their web sit at www.w3.org.

Patrick

  On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Deniz Dogan
  
wrote:
  2010/1/27
Nathan Lane :
> http://www.W3Schools.com
has the most up-to-date tutorials on HTML and CSS,
> which are the two technologies you need to learn to achieve the
creation of
> a decent website, even if it is simple.
> Nathan
>


Lots of professional web developers ridicule W3 Schools often, but
it's a good place to find quick (and dirty) information.

--
Deniz Dogan

  
  
  
  
-- 
Nathan Lane
Blog, http://blog.nathandelane.com
  

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

[Patrick Horgan]

Deniz Dogan wrote:
> It is not a good idea to just jump in and start reading standards and
> specifications. I suggest reading a good book about basic modern web
> design instead.
>   
Ah, different learning styles.  Please understand that for some people, 
like me, for example this is exactly the perfect way.  For others it 
wouldn't work at all.  My only point is that it's good to realize that 
there are many learning styles and it's better not to make overarching 
statements about this will not work, or only this can be done.  I agree 
that learning about design is good, but design books are so fluffy to 
me!  I make myself read them, and I do better work because of it, but 
one is learning your tools, and the other is learning what might be 
better done with them.

Patrick


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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Patrick Horgan]

Programmer In Training wrote:

  On 1/20/2010 9:23 AM, Claus Cyrny wrote:

  
  
Why do you need a 'Minimize' button for the toolbox? For 2.8,
there will be an optional singe-window mode available (the link
to the respective article was already posted in this thread).

Claus

  
  
The toolbox should not be linked to the image editing window (especially
when it is always on TOP of the image editing window) for starters. Once
I pick a tool, I don't need to see the tool box. I need to see the image
I'm working on, whether it's 1600x1200 (as any of the full size images
here:
  

Then just hit tab.  The toolbox goes away.

Patrick



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Re: [Gimp-user] Completely off every imaginable topic;)

[Patrick Horgan]

jolie wrote:
> I'm not sure if English is your first language or not but do you realise what
> you are saying? "Convert people into useful human beings?" 
>   
Nope, Texan is my first language, C/C++ my second and Spanish my third.  
I tend to get overly ironic in all three.
> I get what you mean though, you want beginners to get a warm welcome and when
> they are here a bit longer they will realise what the customs are.
>   
Yes, please.  Interesting that some seem to have taken the post as an 
attack/flame on top posters, instead of a plea to not attack and to 
instead realize that they just don't know about effective email 
communication styles.  Glad you got it.
> I'm all for it. New GIMP users can become developers later on or contribute
> to GIMP in some other way. So I say, be nice, welcoming and understanding to
> them. Besides, it's good to be nice to others. 
>   
Thank you:)

Patrick

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[Gimp-user] Completely off every imaginable topic;)

[Patrick Horgan]

Have you ever noticed that people's progress in using, supporting, 
writing bug reports for, and sometimes even developing for, writing 
documentation for, or translating for open source software is paralleled 
by their progress from top-posting to bottom posting to interlinear 
posting, to intelligent elision with interlinear posting?  I see it on 
the gimp, and on other lists all the time.

Beginners don't know what top posting is.  They don't understand that 
there's no business to bitch too about open source software.  They don't 
understand how few people keep open software going.  They're completely 
ignorant about our culture.  They don't know how happy people will be if 
they write intelligent bugs, or offer to make documentation better.  
They don't understand that the people providing support for them are 
potentially them.

I guess the point is that it's easy to be annoyed by an ignorant 
beginner, (definitely speaking from experience), and they make 
themselves even more annoying by top posting when responding to 
messages, not knowing that it looks like they are deliberately making it 
harder to follow the conversation.  If we kindly educate them instead of 
attacking them, (and when appropriate, privately, instead of 
embarrassing them publicly on the list), we might over time convert some 
of them to useful human beings. 

I really like the way Sven invites people to contribute.  For people not 
used to open source it's startling, and sometimes his invitation to be 
part of the solution is mistaken for an unwillingness to help.  They've 
got this strange sense of learned helplessness.  Even though few of 
those invited will ever contribute, some do, and some of those who don't 
contribute right away, have been started thinking about it by Sven and 
eventually will contribute.  On the lilypond list, it's Graham the 
curmudgeon that keeps inviting people.  It works.

If instead we attack them, we make of ourselves boors, and drive away 
people that might have been of great help eventually.  Some of those 
driven away are lurkers not even involved in the communication.  I know 
that some have more patience than others, but if you can't stand 
beginners acting like beginners, it's only necessary to ignore them.  
One of my favorite proverbs is, "Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, 
is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of 
understanding", or the more modern proverb "Better to be thought a fool 
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt";)

People that are going to insist on being idiots go away pretty quickly 
if ignored.  I know people that have been around for years already know 
all this, but there might be one or two on this list who need a gentle 
reminder.

Best regards,

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] pasting items to stitch together

[Patrick Horgan]

photocomix wrote:
> >From image 1 copy From image 2  paste AS/new layer
> the new image will show up as top layer, if you want them side by side from
> image menu extend canvas side
> and then use the move tool
>
>
>   
>> I cannot figure out how to paste images into a gimp open file from another
>> gimp open file - both are jpeg formats. Is this a layer thing? I tried
>> expanding the canvas size, but the images pasted into the file only appears
>> when dragged over the existing image...
>>
>> 
I remember how stumped I was on this!  After you enlarge the image, if 
you do layer to image size you'll be happy.  The reason that you can 
only see above the old image is because its layer only exists there.  If 
you expand the image, the layer doesn't change unless you tell it too 
separately.  It's ok to have layers different shapes and sizes and 
smaller than the image.  Or you can paste as a layer.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Thumbnail Images are Larger then Originals

[Patrick Horgan]

Programmer In Training wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, but after converting to indexed and reducing
> to 256 colors, some of the original sized images were BIGGER in file
> size so I just wound up cropping out what I really didn't need for the
> article I'm writing (if anyone is interested in reading it, I'll provide
> a link if you mail me off list) and doing away with the idea of
> thumbnails completely (for some reason, all the reduced sized images,
> despite what I set the compression type to, look thoroughly crappy,
> which is a change from 2.6.6 (I'm using GIMP 2.6.8)). Hopefully none of
> the images will flow outside the boundry of the blog layout. I've also
> been having another issue with GIMP, but I think that one is because of
> Windows and not GIMP.
>   
On Linux I use convert from the imagemagic suite.  I just tried it on 
some pngs with -resize 150x and all of the outputs were smaller.  YMMV.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] scripting

[Patrick Horgan]

Elwin Estle wrote:

#1 is Core Python Programming by Wesley Chun.  He covers everything.  
There are gotchas in there that you'd have to program in python for 
years to learn, all in a nice clear, well organized, progressive, 
understandable format.  Good reference material in the back too.  
Couldn't do better than this.

Mark Lutz's book Learning Python from O'Reilly is pretty good.  He did 
another python book earlier that was awful, a jillion concepts lightly 
touched and no organization, but this one's pretty good.

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Re: [Gimp-user] simple scripting question

[Patrick Horgan]

saulgo...@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com wrote:
> I've had a go at this.
>
> The files are all available in the following location:
>http://flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com/GIMP/Scripts/Badges/
>   
I just want to comment that this is a great example of what makes the 
internet a cool place to play.  He put a lot of work into this and is 
giving it to us for free.  What a role model for the rest of us.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.6.7 Design

[Patrick Horgan]

Jennifer Mohr wrote:
> After quite some time, I finally updated my GIMP from my beloved 2.4.7 
> to 2.6.7. Upon starting up the new GIMP I saw the new design that GIMP 
> now had. I found that GIMP was much, much hard to use and made things 
> much more frustrating.
>   
Oh, Jennifer, I'm sorry that this hit you like this.  You are not 
alone.  There was HUGE discussion on this list when it happened and many 
expressed exactly the same frustrations as you. 

You can fix the first just by hitting the  key.  That makes your 
toolbox and layers dialog disappear giving you uncluttered access to 
your image.  It turns out, after you get used to it, that it's better 
this way.  The toolbox gets in the way less because you make it 
disappear, but it's more convenient because when you hit  again 
it's right on top where you can get to it.  Before people would lose 
their toolbox behind and have to hunt for it.

For the second issue, i.e. the menu's left the toolbox, that is because 
working without the toolbox window makes it more convenient to have the 
menus on the image window.  That's also the reason that if you close 
your last image you get the blank window (almost blank, Wilbur's still 
there and you can drag and drop an image onto him.

I think you'll find, after your habits get trained that this is actually 
better/easier/more productive, but I'm with you.  It was tremendously 
annoying for a few days, then I decided they were geniuses.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Brush edit problem

[Patrick Horgan]

Chris wrote:

  
No, but it may be impossible to have an even sized 'virtual' brush,
which is the type you're editing.

  
  

Ah OK - many thanks for both your suggestions :)

Why not use the 1x1 with scaling set to 2?

Patrick



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Re: [Gimp-user] www.gimp.org/ircd.gimp.org outage

[Patrick Horgan]

Michael Schumacher wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as some of you may already have noticed, there's a problem with
> www.gimp.org and ircd.gimp.org. Both hosts are currently unreachable.
> As far as I know, both services run on the same machine, so it isn't
> surprising that both are not available.
>   
It's back:)

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] adjusting a horizon

[Patrick Horgan]

Joe Carsto wrote:

  
  On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Jude T. 
wrote:
  I know I have seen, in the Gimp Manual, a way of
adjusting a photo that's been
taken on a bit of a slant - for instance a photo of a window. I have a
photo
where my horizon is on a slant. Can anyone remind me where in the Gimp
manual
it tells me how to adjust this? many thanks for any help!
Jude
  
  

Klaus Goelker's book GIMP 2 for Photographers has great
information on this.

Patrick



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[Gimp-user] Can't move guides

[Patrick Horgan]

Lately when I'm in move mode and move my cursor over guides they don't 
get red and I can't move them.  Any attempt just moves the layer.  I'm 
assuming a user interface change happened, so, what's the new way to 
move guides?

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Overlay layer mode

[Patrick Horgan]

I was reading a book on tattoos, "Tattoo -- From Idea to Ink", which has 
a final chapter on image manipulation for tattoo artists using 
Photoshop.  The really cool thing is that everything they said to do 
with Photoshop I already knew how to do with GIMP:)

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling and resolution

[Patrick Horgan]

Jaime Seuma wrote:

  Hi

This is an interesting question also to me.

David Gowers wrote:

  
  
No, if you turn off View->Dot for dot then the DPI relative to your
display DPI is used to scale your view of the image.

  
  
That much I had already found; but still, when I open a file that has
been scaled only in resolution (for instance 300->700), still the
different imageviewers display the same image.
  

A 400 pixel wide image will always have exactly 400 pixels across, so
on any given display device it will show the same irregardless of the
resolution.  On a 70dpi device it will be 5.71 inches wide, on a 90dpi
device it will be 4.44 inches wide, on a 300dpi device it will be 1 1/3
in.

If you set the dpi for the image to match the device you intend to show
it on, then if, for example you change units on the bottom of the
drawing window to inches, it will accurately report to you the sizes of
things as you expect to display them.

It won't make it display any differently though.  On a 300dpi device it
will still display as 1 1/3 in, even if you set the resolution to
70dpi.   Hope that helps.

Patrick



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[Gimp-user] Discussion on available GIMP books (was Re: how to use layers)

[Patrick Horgan]

jolie S wrote:
> Thomas,
>
> ...elision by Patrick...
>
> Akkana Peck's book is very good too. Just read it from the start and try to
> do all the things she explains yourself. 
>   
I wanted to point out that even though I recommended Akkana's book 
myself in the last few days (I love the book), that there are other 
great books out there.

The first two books listed below are my favorites in no particular 
order--very complementary and highly recommend.  You should have both.  
YOU SHOULD HAVE BOTH.  Pay no attention to the man behind the 
curtain.--YOU   SHOULD   HAVE   BOTH

o Akkana Peck, "Beginning GIMP: From Novice to Professional, Second 
Edition (Beginning from Novice to Professional)" 2009.  She is a 
mainstay on this list and others and helps people for free instead of 
telling them to buy the book.  So buy the book!  Support those who 
support free software (that means they support us!)

o Michael J. Hammel's book, "The Artist's Guide to GIMP effects" 2009, 
is a brilliant book as well.  He also posts to this list and is a 
wonderful guy.   Buy his book too!

o Klaus Goelker, "GIMP 2 for Photographers: Image Editing with Open 
Source Software (Paperback)" 2006 a translation from the German, I 
believe.  I have this one but haven't been able to get through it for 
some reason.  I keep going back to Peck and to Hammel.  I suspect it's 
because it's a little out of date and I have to translate to 2.4+ in my 
head to make things work.  Must be frustrating for an author to publish 
something and have fundamental changes in the software right after 
publishing.

The next two aren't out yet:

o Jason Von Gumster is writing the "GIMP Bible" due out 12 Jan 2010.  
There must be someone here reviewing it.  Any opinions?  Can we build up 
some pre-publishing buzz?  I'm hoping for the format often seen in tech 
bibles, of a great tutorial first half followed by an equally great 
reference last half.

o Daniel James is writing "Free Software for Creative People: Building 
Digital Media with Blender, GIMP, Scribus, Audacity, and More" due out 
about now.  Anyone seen a review copy of it yet?

A more specialized book:

o Frederick L. Chipkin, "GIMP for Textile Design" 2008 covering the same 
material as his "Photoshop for Textile Design".  I'd love to read it but 
hesitate to spend the money on something that seems a little 
specialized--but image manipulation is image manipulation, no?

o There's the official documentation available with GIMP that's really 
good.  It's also available bound as a book published this year.

Everything else that I've found is years out of date.

Of these I especially wish three were updated.  They're all wonderful, 
but GIMP has changed enough so that the things that are no longer 
correct would hinder newbies more than helping them.

o Sven's, "GIMP Pocket Reference" published by O'Reilly. Hey, it's Sven, 
if he doesn't know it it's not in GIMP!  Covers 1.2

o Michael Hammel's, "Essential GIMP for Web Professionals".  His 
Artist's guide from 1999 was recently updated and is one of my favorite 
two books on GIMP.  It covers a lot about using GIMP for the web so I 
don't know if he has any plans to update this book.  One thing that 
doesn't give me hope, is that the Essential GIMP for Web Professionals 
is part of a series, from Prentice Hall, and as far as I can see none of 
the other books in the series have been updated.  Covers 1.2

o Carey Bunks, "Grokking the GIMP" (for those of you who haven't read 
Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", grokking means to understand 
completely by devouring--makes a lot of sense for books, no?)  This is 
available as a book or a free download.  I keep meaning to make 
alternate CSS for it because the brown background make my 54 year old 
eyes wish for more contrast.  Wonderful book and amazing that it's been 
offered as a free download for so long.  Covers 1.2



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Re: [Gimp-user] What is the scale of Levels?

[Patrick Horgan]

Asif Lodhi wrote:

  Hi,

On 8/23/09, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote:
  
  
"I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance." - Nietzsche

  
  
Would you please stop using inappropriate language for God?
  

?? How is this inappropriate to note that Nietzche said that?

Patrick

  
-Asif
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to move image when selecting?

[Patrick Horgan]

In my link to the selection tutorial I should have given credit to
Akkana Peck whose tutorial it is, and noted that her book:  Beginning
GIMP: from novice to professional ROCKS  And also she helps
people out here all the time and deserves a lot of credit for being
such a good citizen of the net.

Patrick



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Re: [Gimp-user] How to move image when selecting?

[Patrick Horgan]

Sven Neumann wrote:

  Hi,

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 22:36 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:

  
  
When I do that, as soon as I finish making the second selection (after
the pan) I loose the first selection.

  
  
There's always only one selection. Creating a selection will replace the
current one. That has nothing to do with panning. If you want to add to
an existing selection, then choose the Add mode from the tool options of
the selection tool. Or use the modifier keys (as hinted in the
status-bar).
  

If you're trying to use the lasso it's frustrating like that, you have
to do the whole thing in one complex wack.  If instead you use the path
tool you can keep adding the points to the path, edit them when you
make a mistake, scroll the image around all you want, and then when you
have it perfect convert the path the a selection.  I think it's MUCH
easier than the lasso.  Here's a great tutorial on this,
http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/courses/2005-March/001821.html.

Patrick

  

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Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling a foto

[Patrick Horgan]

Jay Smith wrote:
> Monika,
>
> I agree that it does not make sense to loose quality when scaling smaller.
>   
I'm confused I think.  Isn't scaling smaller an inherently lossy 
process?  If there's information in a section that's 20 bits across and 
it gets reduced to 5 bits across it isn't possible to still contain the 
same information, is it?

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Re: [Gimp-user] List Server admin help?

[Patrick Horgan]

Steve VanSlyck wrote:

  
https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user


  
  
Doesn't work. Page load error.

Secure Connection Failed

lists.xcf.berkeley.edu uses an invalid security certificate.
  

You just have to decide if you trust them to tell you who they are.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Logo Text Circle is not available in GIMP 2.6.6...

[Patrick Horgan]

Ken Warner wrote:
> I just upgraded to GIMP 2.6.6 yesterday and today I find that I need
> to make a circular text logo.  There used to be a plugin or a script
> in the Logos scripts that made circular text logos.  All logo scripts
> are grayed out in 2.6.6
>   
Maybe you haven't created a new image yet?  They're greyed out until you do.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] What is wrong?

[Patrick Horgan]

t h wrote:
> Newbie here. Why can't I get pencil to work after doing the following.
>
> 1. Starting a new file.
> 2. Using Rectangle Select tool to draw a square.
> 3. Using Edit > Stroke Selection > Stroke Selection > Stroke Line : Solid 
> Color 2px
> 4. Repeating steps two and three to draw two other boxes.
> 5. Layer > New Layer: Transparency
> 6. Select Pencil Tool: .05 brush
> 7. (Try to) draw on the canvas by holding down mouse button and moving mouse 
> then releasing mouse button.
> Nothing happens but I do have the option of Undo Pencil
>   
I'm guessing the last box you drew is still selected, and that if you 
tried to draw inside the selection you'd see it.  Do A to 
turn off the selection and you'll be able to draw anywhere.

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] how to use gimp to change color of an image

[Patrick Horgan]

Select all the white with magic wand or color select.  Make the blue 
your new foreground color and drag it into the selection.  OR if you 
want all the greyscale information to stay the same you could fill the 
selection with the blue using the hue mode.  You would do that by first 
selecting the white as above, then go to the toolbox and click the icon 
that looks like a bucket spilling paint (that's the bucket fill tool).  
Go to the options for the bucket fill at the bottom of the  toolbox and 
click the little dropdown list next to the word Mode:.  Slide down that 
until you find hue, it's almost to the bottom, and select it.  Hue mode 
means that it will change which color you're using, while leaving intact 
how intense the color is, and how light or dark the area is.  That will 
keep all your highlights and shading.

Hue - the color (red for example)
Saturation - How much of the color (pastel pale pink to intense red)
Value - Lightness or darkness.  How close to white or black.  (dark 
almost black pale pink to radioactive almost white pale pink)

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] babl

[Patrick Horgan]

Jernej Simončič wrote:

  On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:47:53 -0400, John Culleton wrote:

  
  
The version that matches the version of Gimp in the tarball is what 
should be included IMO.

  
  
Should GIMP then also include matching GTK+ and GLib? And other mandatory
dependencies?
  

libc?  How about just statically linking everything!!!   (No, I don't
mean it!)

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Re: [Gimp-user] "Send by Email..." isn't working

[Patrick Horgan]

Sven Neumann wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:34 -0300, Gunther Furtado wrote:
>   
> This feature requires that you have sendmail (or a compatible mail
> system) installed and configured on your system. As that is rather
> uncommon nowadays, the plug-in should probably be disabled on most
> distributions. It's pretty useless anyway (which is why it's called the
> GIMP Useless Mail Plug-In).
>   
On the lighter side, did anyone consider that if it was instead named 
the GIMP Realy Useless Mail Plug-In it would be GRUMPI?

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] batches for web

[Patrick Horgan]

alec wrote:

  Hi...

  
  
Resolution (as in dots-per-inch) is irrelevant for images used on
web-pages. The only thing that counts is the number of pixels.


  
  Huh, I thought that lower resolution would make the file size smaller so
web images would load faster.  No?
  

Images on screens (which is how we view web images) are shown at 72-90
pixels/in.  72 used to be a pretty standard monitor resolution, but now
90pixels/in (or more) is common in this day of lcds.  Assuming 72
pixels/in  a 216x216 pixel image would look 3" across.  The same image
printed on a 300-2400dpi printer would be .72" (for 300dpi) to .09" 
(for 2400dpi).

When he said that resolution was irrelevant he meant that a 900 pixels
wide image doesn't really know it's resolution.  It's just 900 pixels
across which would take 12.5" to display on a 72dpi screen, 10" on a
90dpi screen, and only 3" to display on a 300dpi printer.  The truth is
that the image doesn't have a resolution, the display device does. 
(This is only mostly true as I'll explain in the last paragraph.)

The truth is that Gimp displays to you using your screen resolution, so
if you originally created an image at 72dpi and 216x216 pixels and
another image at 4800dpi and 216x216 pixels, Gimp will display them the
same.  While they look the same, if you look at image properties with
 or set the disply units to inches in the
bottom border and move around the image, you can see the difference. 
One is reported as 3" across and the other as .045" across.  The
resolution is used by Gimp to translate to inches and inch derived
units for you.

If you go into image/resize, and only change the dpi, Gimp will report
to you that the image is a different size in inches, but the pixels are
not in any way changed.  

Various image file types like jpg and png store resolution and Gimp
does store that for you.  Devices are supposed to scale the images so
that on their display resolution they will appear the same size as in
the images native resolution.  Some devices/software actually do
this.   If you print something and it comes out the wrong size, some
times you can open it in Gimp, change the resolution and resave.  The
only change will be in the stored resolution, the file's image data is
completely unchanged, yet it will now print a different size!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Find and Replace Line

[Patrick Horgan]

Neale I. wrote:
>> How about a select by shape and colour and replace black with red?
>> 
He wanted to get a dotted red line, maybe select and fill with a pattern? 

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Re: [Gimp-user] Is it really that complicated to make a circle?

[Patrick Horgan]

Not that hard.  On the site someone points to a tutorial that does the 
same thing using stroking and he incorrectly responds that it would 
create a more pixelated result.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Using GIMP on Netbooks?

[Patrick Horgan]

Jochen Cichon wrote:
> Would be great (as I said in some fewer posts) to get rid of the empty
> image window on startup.
>
> (like the old gimp did...)
>
> So the old gimp did only start into the toolbox. (with a minimal menu,
> file, extra...)
>
> Would be great to have that back, cos even on my desktop I mostly have
> that gimp toolbox somewhere at the side... and that empty window really
>   
If you're using gimp the window isn't empty and if you're not using gimp 
why have it running?  Note that I'm not a gimp developer because it 
hasn't felt like time to tackle the no doubt steep learning curve, but I 
REALLY appreciate them.   I also really love the new UI (can we still 
say new after all this time?)  It used to be strange and scattered, and 
now with the menus in the image window (whether you've loaded an image 
into it or not), and it staying after you exit the last image things are 
simpler and clearer.  It's a more usual paradigm to have the menus in 
the window you edit things in.  I used to think that I wanted to be able 
to dock the tools and layers on the side of the image window, but now 
realize that I really don't.  I want maximum area for my editing, and 
when I need a tool or want to select a layer mask  makes it appear 
and then  makes it go away so once again I have maximum area for 
editing:)

Just my 2 cents;)

Patrick
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[Gimp-user] Reporting back: The Artist's Guide to GIMP effects

[Patrick Horgan]

I mentioned some time ago that I was reading The Artist's Guide to GIMP 
Effects, by michael j. hammel, and that over time I'd report on what I 
thought about it.  Ok, here's what I think about it--WOW!

I still have a long way to go to absorb everything in here, but in a few 
weeks I've gone from someone who's messed around with Gimp for a few 
years but still felt lost, to someone who knows the principles behind 
using it as a tool.

Many of the questions people ask here seem obvious after reading and 
working with it for awhile.

He does a great job of teaching you the basic principles that let you 
solve problems.  You start thinking about what you want, instead of 
looking at what Gimp can do.

If you need to combine pictures, fix problems, do commercial graphics, 
web work, original art--this book is for you.  I'm astonished.

I'll report back some more after spending a few more weeks with it.

It doesn't cover 2.6, but it hasn't been an issue using it with 2.6.  If 
you want to be a GIMP master, check it out!

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] replacing colors

[Patrick Horgan]

Greg Chapman wrote:
> On 11 Feb 09 23:42 "Jozef Legény"  said:
>   
>>> Is there a way to make the color I fill those areas in with change
>>> in relation to the colors it's replacing?  For example, if I 
>>> select a range of greenish colors, is there a way I can replace it
>>> with a range of blueish colors instead of just one particular 
>>> blue?
>>>   
While fill doesn't work, you can easily do what you want by selecting a 
big brush, setting the mode to hue, and brushing across the selection.  
Hue leaves the saturation (how much color) and value (where on the 
black-gray-white scale), alone, and just changes the hue (what color).  
If you get a big enough brush you can do it in one click.  I 
often select an area like for instance, a friends face with the magic 
wand, and change the color while retaining all the highlights and the 
brightness.

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Artist's Guide to GIMP Effects

[Patrick Horgan]

Gracia M. Littauer wrote:
> anyone used this book ...good? great?  so so?
>
> seems to be new
>   
I'm working my way through it...it's not new, i.e. it talks about the 
upcoming 2.4 release, but it seems quite good.  Rather than using the 
existing Python-Fu scripts to do things, the author tells you about 
them, but teaches you how to do the stuff yourself...I'll report back 
when I'm further along.

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp and ubuntu compatible tablet

[Patrick Horgan]

Chris Mohler wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Alessia  wrote:
>   
>> Hallo everyone,
>> I've a problem that I think many of you already had. I've decided to buy
>> a tablet to draw easily and in a more efficient way.
>> I have two problem to solve before buying :
>>
>> I need, obviously a GIMP compliant tablet
>> I use a Linux based OS ( Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex)
>> Another problem is that I'm searching for a tablet not expansive.
>>
>> I heard of the Wacon tablets but I'm wondering if  anyone had used
>> other tablets .
>> Could you help me, also point me to an updated list of compatible tablets?
>> 
I'm using the bamboo fun cte-450 from wacom for the last week.  The 
drawing pad works wonderfully with ubuntu 8.10 and gimp, but in spite of 
following all the instructions I can find, the touchpad and buttons part 
of it doesn't work, and the mouse only worked once, (although it's wheel 
didn't work), and I can't figure out why.  Any clues anyone?

Patrick

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.6.1 on Ubuntu 8.10

[Patrick Horgan]

I've got gimp 2.6.3 on Ubuntu 8.10 and it's working perfectly
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Re: [Gimp-user] No tools window

[Patrick Horgan]

Simon Budig wrote:
> Not sure if this is the problem you're seeing, but note that you can
> toggle the toolbox and dock-dialogs with the Tab-key. If you hit that by
> accident windows will go missing...
>   
How cool!  Thanks, I didn't know that tab did that:)

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] Make transparent layer invisible

[Patrick Horgan]

Adonj Adonj wrote:
> If I export it to png it wouldn't be an animation! I'm sorry 
> I obviously overlooked mentioning my intention.
>   
Do animated gifs support transparency?  I've never tried it...oh, wait, 
yes I did, just the other day I made an animated gif icon with 
transparency for someone's web site.  Funny, I answered my own question:)

Patrick
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Re: [Gimp-user] Empty skull, vacated because I can't crop an image and its driving me to drink.

[Patrick Horgan]

Akkana Peck wrote:
> ...elision's R us...
> If none of us has guessed right about what you're trying to do
> and you're still frustrated, try telling us what sort of image
> you're starting with and explaining the steps you *are*
> following, what happens and what you expected to happen.
> That might clear things up.
>   
You might even attach the image in a reply to me ( patrick at 
dbp-consulting dot com) and tell me what you want to happen.  I'll do 
that to the image, and then tell you step by step what I did to 
accomplish it;)

Patrick

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